What unpopular AFL opinions do you have? (Part 1 - cont in Part 2)

[chrisdon16]

Bang on the money. Finals are a different ball game altogether. They had a prime opportunity to get to their first GF but were totally outplayed, outcoached and outworked by the Dogs.

I disagree about the Prelim. GWS were in front for the majority of the 4th, then choked Bulldogs kicked a very late goal to win it. Definitely weren't outplayed, outcoached or outworked, very even contest. Most people forget about the quarter final they beat the minor premiers on their home deck in their first ever final, that's saying something.

 

[Bokonon_]

Bang on the money. Finals are a different ball game altogether. They had a prime opportunity to get to their first GF but were totally outplayed, outcoached and outworked by the Dogs.

Talk aboit exrapolating from speculation. You start from we're virtually unbeatable and then try to find reasons why we cant win finals.
How about we're one of a number of clubs who can realistically hope to contend for the flag? It requires a lot less twisting.
The comment I have on finals is it was our first time as a club. We played well in both. Bulldogs played a bit better in the prelim. We absolutely didn't choke they won it, by a goal. Actually a bit more because they declined a pointless shot after the siren, tjat would have been a score of some sort.

 

[sportsmaniac89]

Bang on the money. Finals are a different ball game altogether. They had a prime opportunity to get to their first GF but were totally outplayed, outcoached and outworked by the Dogs.

Having 3 extra players on the field also helped the Bulldogs in that PF as well

 

[Lucky Star]

Having 3 extra players on the field also helped the Bulldogs in that PF as well

Not a bad way to describe Bont's impact.

 

[sportsmaniac89]

Not a bad way to describe Bont's impact.

I wasn't talking about any Bulldog player, I can assure you of that.

Watched that game as a neutral and couldn't believe the corrupt umpiring that occurred that day.

Having 3 umpires on your side kissing your arse all afternoon does help the cause especially in such a tight game

 

[DangerSloane]

I wasn't talking about any Bulldog player, I can assure you of that.

Watched that game as a neutral and couldn't believe the corrupt umpiring that occurred that day.

Having 3 umpires on your side kissing your arse all afternoon does help the cause especially in such a tight game

It was a flashback to when we played them tbh.

Im glad they won though, much better story than GWS getting handed one.

 

[Colonial]

It was a flashback to when we played them tbh.

Im glad they won though, much better story than GWS getting handed one.

Amusing considering your clubs 1st flag

 

[carnthedons]

Yeah you're right Menzel definitely wouldnt be playing 22 games for essendon in 2017!

If he were fit enough, would he be playing as a mid or fwd?

At best he'd be in the 19th-22nd ranked players getting a game and certainly wouldn't be a walk up start every week. As a forward (not a tall) he'd be behind Fantasia and Tippa for sure, almost certainly Langford and Laverde as well and Francis/Parish if they play down there. So barring injury he's playing VFL.

As a mid (if he got a tank), he'd be behind Heppell, Merrett, Watson, Colyer, Myers, Hocking, Stanton, Parish (if played as a mid), Goddard & Zaharakis.

There's 15 players, not including talls or defenders that he's comfortably behind, so I reckon you can get rid of your little rolling eyes face as the comment is factual not facetious

 

[Heaps of fun]

slightly outplayed would be more accurate

Dogs were lucky to knock out Callan Ward.

 

[DangerSloane]

If he were fit enough, would he be playing as a mid or fwd?

At best he'd be in the 19th-22nd ranked players getting a game and certainly wouldn't be a walk up start every week. As a forward (not a tall) he'd be behind Fantasia and Tippa for sure, almost certainly Langford and Laverde as well and Francis/Parish if they play down there. So barring injury he's playing VFL.

As a mid (if he got a tank), he'd be behind Heppell, Merrett, Watson, Colyer, Myers, Hocking, Stanton, Parish (if played as a mid), Goddard & Zaharakis.

There's 15 players, not including talls or defenders that he's comfortably behind, so I reckon you can get rid of your little rolling eyes face as the comment is factual not facetious

Either.
He would make the side. Probably as a half forward.

I know thats an area where essendon have some talent, but still to try to take a cheap shot like that when the guy would be best 22 for your side is just stupid.

Your forward line is bottom 6 in the AFL. You can talk it up all you like, but nobodys buying what you selling.

This is assuming he's fit of course.

 

[Mr_McBoogerBalls]

Either.
He would make the side. Probably as a half forward.

I know thats an area where essendon have some talent, but still to try to take a cheap shot like that when the guy would be best 22 for your side is just stupid.

Your forward line is bottom 6 in the AFL. You can talk it up all you like, but nobodys buying what you selling.

This is assuming he's fit of course.

I disagree, but then again that's the point of this thread.

It's true that our forward line has been non existent for a while now, but I think for the first time in a long time, it's starting to all come together. I think with the right structure and improved delivery from our mids, our fwd line might surprise you.

 

[Mofra]

Dogs were lucky to knock out Callan Ward.

We lost Roughy just before Ward was knocked out.
One for one - arguably, Roughy is more important structurally however Ward is the more talented player.

 

[carnthedons]

Either.
He would make the side. Probably as a half forward.

I know thats an area where essendon have some talent, but still to try to take a cheap shot like that when the guy would be best 22 for your side is just stupid.

Your forward line is bottom 6 in the AFL. You can talk it up all you like, but nobodys buying what you selling.

This is assuming he's fit of course.

I'm not arguing our forward line has struggled and is still very much WIP but as a half forward I'd like a player to get more than 10 touches and 1 inside 50 a game. His goal average of a little over 1 a game is better than some I mentioned but that's about it. He'd be borderline top 25 at best.

You realize we're talking about Troy not Daniel Menzel don't you?

 

[Heaps of fun]

We lost Roughy just before Ward was knocked out.
One for one - arguably, Roughy is more important structurally however Ward is the more talented player.

Roughead's a shittruck. Ward would crawl through broken glass to win for his team. Basically the worst player GWS could lose in a final. One for one would have been you losing Bontempelli.

 

[timtamWB]

Roughead's a shittruck. Ward would crawl through broken glass to win for his team. Basically the worst player GWS could lose in a final. One for one would have been you losing Bontempelli.

Roughead was our only ruckman. Which meant Boyd had to play in the ruck the whole game after Roughead went off. And Boyd is not a good ruckman.

Ward is a gun, and nobody's saying he's not. But losing your only ruckman, against a team that has Mumford, is a big blow.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Roughead was our only ruckman. Which meant Boyd had to play in the ruck the whole game after Roughead went off. And Boyd is not a good ruckman.

Ward is a gun, and nobody's saying he's not. But losing your only ruckman, against a team that has Mumford, is a big blow.

Roughead just stands there while Bont jumps over the top of him. Only averages 15 hit outs a game, not a big loss at all in a rucking sense. Tom Boyd did what Roughead did easily. Could argue he's better playing up the ground anyway because he's not much of a forward yet either. Think his career will look more like Tippett's than Plugga's.

 

[DangerSloane]

Amusing considering your clubs 1st flag

Amusing why?

Would you like to do a comparison on what Adelaide were given and what GWS were given when entering the comp.

It would be laughable.

I'm not arguing our forward line has struggled and is still very much WIP but as a half forward I'd like a player to get more than 10 touches and 1 inside 50 a game. His goal average of a little over 1 a game is better than some I mentioned but that's about it. He'd be borderline top 25 at best.

You realize we're talking about Troy not Daniel Menzel don't you?

Yes I realise Troy. He's still very young and inexperienced.

FWIW Fantasia (when played as a small forward) averages very similar numbers.

Either way it wasnt worth Essendon fans laughing over the recruitment of the guy. He could still be a very good footballer.

 

[carnthedons]

Amusing why?

Would you like to do a comparison on what Adelaide were given and what GWS were given when entering the comp.

It would be laughable.




Yes I realise Troy. He's still very young and inexperienced.

FWIW Fantasia (when played as a small forward) averages very similar numbers.

Either way it wasnt worth Essendon fans laughing over the recruitment of the guy. He could still be a very good footballer.

I only raised Menzel as you suggested we hadn't brought in any top line talent and neither have Adelaide or the majority of clubs (depending on your definition of top line). We do, however have 3 top 6 draft picks in the last two drafts (clearly top line potential).

Anyway as you've nominated Raz, I'll leave it with this. In his last 8 games (where he played as a full time forward) Fantasia kicked 19.15, had 22 I50's and averaged a tick under 12 possessions. This is in a team that averaged 10 goals a game for the season. Prior to that, when playing off HB/through the middle he had 5 games above 20 disposals for the season. Menzel has never had more than 17 touches in a game, he's never kicked that many goals, had that many I50's or averaged that many possessions in any 8 game stretch. He's also a year older than Fantasia. To suggest Menzel is in front is laughable.

 

[Colonial]

Amusing why?

Would you like to do a comparison on what Adelaide were given and what GWS were given when entering the comp.
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Still given concessions to start.
Wether they were as much as us doesnt matter. You had more than your fellows at the time.

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[darthbards]

People who claimed they watched a game as a neutral.
People might watch games that don't include the team they support but general saltiness makes them far from neutral observers.

 

[DemonTim]

Still given concessions to start.
Wether they were as much as us doesnt matter. You had more than your fellows at the time.

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It certainly does matter in relation to what you responded to. His contention was if you won you were "handed" a flag, there's plenty of concessions that could be given that wouldn't be considered "handing" a team a flag.

 

[sportsmaniac89]

It was a flashback to when we played them tbh.

Im glad they won though, much better story than GWS getting handed one.

It was a flashback to 2014 and 2015 for me when we played them

In 2014 the Bulldogs had 19 free kicks to 4
In 2015 the Bulldogs had 25 free kicks to 11 (after being 17 - 2 up at one stage)

Ironically we won both games but I still have nightmares of the cheating umps from those 2 games.

 

[Colonial]

It certainly does matter in relation to what you responded to. His contention was if you won you were "handed" a flag, there's plenty of concessions that could be given that wouldn't be considered "handing" a team a flag.

So Eagles Port Crows and Lions were all handed flags then
They got start up other clubs didnt have.

Kinda like Swans complaining we had cola or AFL assistance.

Glass houses etc. [emoji106]

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[DemonTim]

So Eagles Port Crows and Lions were all handed flags then
They got start up other clubs didnt have.

Kinda like Swans complaining we had cola or AFL assistance.

Glass houses etc. [emoji106]

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I made a pretty clear point that you need to take into account the concessions given, you seem to be suggesting it's all or nothing in terms of this, it's not... oldmanshoutsatcloud.jpeg

 

[carnthedons]

It was a flashback to 2014 and 2015 for me when we played them

In 2014 the Bulldogs had 19 free kicks to 4
In 2015 the Bulldogs had 25 free kicks to 11 (after being 17 - 2 up at one stage)

Ironically we won both games but I still have nightmares of the cheating umps from those 2 games.

Seriously?

So you obsess over the free kick count in two wins from previous years? You need more in your life