Autopsy Hawthorn v Geelong - Preseason hit and giggle, Feb 17, Tassie

[VandoHawk]

Let me start by saying don’t read anything into this game. Both Geelong and Hawthorn were trying new structures and new personnel that was effective sometimes, and sometimes completely dreadful for both teams. Even though it’s beating Geelong, there was minimal satisfaction I could take out of this game because it was meaningless. Warning: Long Post. It’s detailed for those who couldn’t watch the game and have enough time to read.

Talking Points

• A Tale of Two Halves - The First Half: With Geelong’s best 22 minus Selwood and Menzel (commentators consider Scott Selwood best 22, which is laughable) I was expecting a thrashing. Imagine my surprise when we killed Geelong in the first half. Tyrone Vickery was BOG for mine (imagine my surprise again). Jaeger was blistering, and his importance wasn't understated in the second half. Burton had class. Miles was quick and was actually given the kick out duties. Langford wasn’t butchering the ball completely. We killed Geelong in contested possessions, we beat them in the centre clearances - and if the ball ever got into the backline Frawley killed the contest immediately. We had fast transition around the ground mostly from quick handballs, employing the Bulldogs model. And we actually took contested marks! At one stage we had 10 inside 50’s for 7 marks. Despite not having a lot of senior personel - as well as the absence of club greats Lewis and Mitchell - there were a lot of signs that the new setup was fixing some of the frustrations we had in 2016.

• The Second Half: Preseason or not, giving up a 41 point lead in the space of one quarter was…pretty bad, to say the least. With McEvoy going off from an errant elbow, and O’Meara placed on ice, our centre setup at the start of the third quarter consisted of Pitto, Lovell, Langford and Stewart. The Cats were also kicking with the wind. Stanley murdered us, with 8 consecutive centre bounces resulting in the likes of Dangerfield, Duncan, Cockatoo etc. getting the ball time and time again. This was a literal bombardment into our backline, and while Hawkins was still well held by Frawley the likes of Aaron Black (believe it or not) actually killed us with 3 goals. Our midfield was outclassed, our forward line had practically none of the ball (3 inside 50’s in Q3) and our backline was constantly under siege. Players like Shoenmakers and Vickery, who had been quite prominent in the first half, faded completely from complete and utter lack of ball.Dallas Willsmore, O’Meara’s replacement, gave us nothing. I think the quarter can be best described by Cyril strolling in 10 metres out from an open goal and spraying it to the left.

• Welcome Back Roughy: He ran out of puff in the second half, but Roughy’s importance to our side was on show. We threw him into the midfield and he provided a large body at the contests, with fantastic no-look handballs and contested marks. It’s just fantastic to see Roughy back on the field. One goal and 14 disposals really understate his impact on the game.

• Stewart the Saviour: The last quarter was a tighter affair, with both sides jostling for the lead. Burton tried hard to create opportunities, but was often outnumbered. Langford, despite his ugly disposal rearing its head, ran hard and tackled hard. Roughy tried but lack of match fitness was clearly taking its tolls. Cue Kade Stewart, my BOG for the second half. Even though he only had 14 disposals, Stewart’s crunching tackles and complete and utter desperation to win the ball stood out among the younger recruits. 9 tackles and 5 marks highlight that whenever we did win a centre clearance, it was usually thanks to Kade’s efforts. Kicking a goal after the siren to win (and give him 2 goals) was the icing on the cake, and while it is only a preseason game the temperament to kick that goal shows positive signs.

Player Watch:

JLT Series is about taking a look at some new players, new recruits or fringe players. Here are some of the players who caught my eye, for good and bad reasons.

The Good:

• Tyrone Vickery: Provided a lot of impact at the ruck and around the ground. Here’s an interesting stat: at around 15 minutes in the first quarter he had 5 hit outs and 4 were to advantage. He spent less time in the ruck when Pittonet was on the field, and faded in the second half as a resting forward, finishing with an average 10 disposals and 7 hitouts. But his impact in the first half cannot be understated, especially considering that his trademark marking and ability to hit the scoreboard weren’t actually on display. Really promising signs.

• Jaeger O’Meara: A lazy 12 possessions, 9 contested, combined with 5 tackles in a half of football. He crashed packs fearlessly and showed no signs of injury apart from some strapping. Originally I thought it was quite an impressive but not outstanding performance. My opinion changed in the second half, when we missed his presence and suddenly Geelong was beating us at every centre clearance. Now while there are other factors that contributed to our second half decline, no doubt Geelong lifted their intensity, O’Meara being on ice was a large factor. Combined with Tom Mitchell’s ball winning prowess we have a very competent ball winning core for the next 8 years.

• Teia Miles: I already talked about Kade Stewart, so I’ll give some mention of Miles. Miles was particularly impressive in the first half (like most of our players). He was very quick and agile, darting around his opponents, while also having immaculate kicking skills. With Gibson minding Taylor, Miles played the Gibson role of setting up across halfback. He made some mistakes like getting caught trying to take players on, but his smarts were on display and he was rewarded with 17 disposals. He’s not going to play as a forward, seems very much entrenched in defence.

The Average:

• Ryan Burton: Big wraps on Burton. This game he played as a forward, and his explosiveness was on show. His desperation and speed to get the ball was eye-catching, beating 2-3 Geelong players consistently and always having good disposals. He set up one or two goals through his physical attributes and footy smarts, reading the football better and outrunning his opponents. In the last quarter, he seemed to be one of the only forwards still trying desperately to make something happen. Ultimately though he only added a sole behind to the scoreboard to go along with his 9 disposals. Flashes of brilliance and smarts but ultimately an average performance.

• Kieran Lovell: I really wanted Lovell to take control of this game. The young pocket rocket has speed and prowess that was on display in the first quarter specifically, but then he faded considerably as the game went on. Accumulated 17 disposals, so he got a lot of the ball, but his impact on the game was minimal and much less than what I expected. Not a great performance but not a bad one either.

The Ugly:

• Marc Pittonet: The young ruckman was well and truly beaten this game, losing almost 10 centre clearance bounces in a row. 1 hitout sums up his performance, and he was put on ice in the fourth quarter as McEvoy equalled the contest. Though it wasn’t solely his fault, if there was a person to blame for the third quarter and the midfield ascendancy Geelong gained the first person you would point to is Pittonet. The young man knew this too, looking quite distraught on the bench. He’ll be better for the experience, but still a long way away.

• Dallas Willsmore: I had a lot of hope for Dallas, after hearing of his great preseason. O’Meara was always going to be a tough act to follow, but to follow it with 2 possessions in a half of football (both uncontested) was very disappointing. He played in the midfield and in the backline, where he had no impact in either position. It was his chance to try and put himself in a position for a senior selection, but if his performance tonight was any indication he’s nowhere near it.

Stray Thoughts

• Sicily in the backline seemed to work alright. Still think I liked Burton there more.
• Sheils incident was very weird. From the side angle it looked like a non incident when pushing off, but from the back angle it looked like a deliberate elbow to the head. The fact he was looking at the ball the whole time should be enough to save him, but the MRP are no doubt salivating as the commentators (Healey?) made it sound like Sheils hit the guy with a steel chair.
• Hartung had a good run, providing dash and actually going in for the ball. Perhaps sensing that there’s a spot available.
• I think we took more contested marks in the first quarter tonight then we usually had in a game last season.
• Loved Heatherley taking it up to Hawkins. Only played the last quarter, but is quite the spirited character.

 

[lethalselbow]

Bias aside, what was Shiels to do, running full pelt and a guy lays a shepherd?

lol. That was just silly by Shiels. All he had to do was not elbow him in the head, which he had to reach to get anyway. Complete nothing match to waste match review stuff on. Hopefully gets a fine and let off.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Just wanted to say this is the latest post I've ever made in a "game day" thread just sayin'

Preview, game day and autopsy threads all rolled into one for the hit and giggle matches.

 

[Pessimistic]

So that was Geelol's best side minus Duckwood. Hmmm, if Dangerfield goes down their f&%ked.

Menzel is a good talent. I'm lost after that. the latest "mate for hawkins' experiment seems to have failed

 

[lethalselbow]

Let me start by saying don’t read anything into this game. Both Geelong and Hawthorn were trying new structures and new personnel that was effective sometimes, and sometimes completely dreadful for both teams. Even though it’s beating Geelong, there was minimal satisfaction I could take out of this game because it was meaningless. Warning: Long Post. It’s detailed for those who couldn’t watch the game and have enough time to read.

Talking Points

• A Tale of Two Halves - The First Half: With Geelong’s best 22 minus Selwood and Menzel (commentators consider Scott Selwood best 22, which is laughable) I was expecting a thrashing. Imagine my surprise when we killed Geelong in the first half. Tyrone Vickery was BOG for mine (imagine my surprise again). Jaeger was blistering, and his importance wasn't understated in the second half. Burton had class. Miles was quick and was actually given the kick out duties. Langford wasn’t butchering the ball completely. We killed Geelong in contested possessions, we beat them in the centre clearances - and if the ball ever got into the backline Frawley killed the contest immediately. We had fast transition around the ground mostly from quick handballs, employing the Bulldogs model. And we actually took contested marks! At one stage we had 10 inside 50’s for 7 marks. Despite not having a lot of senior personal - as well as the absence of club greats Lewis and Mitchell - there were a lot of signs that the new setup was fixing some of the frustrations we had in 2016.

• The Second Half: Preseason or not, giving up a 41 point lead in the space of one quarter was…pretty bad, to say the least. With McEvoy going off from an errant elbow, and O’Meara placed on ice, our centre setup at the start of the third quarter consisted of Pitto, Lovell, Langford and Stewart. The Cats were also kicking with the wind. Stanley murdered us, with 8 consecutive centre bounces resulting in the likes of Dangerfield, Duncan, Cockatoo etc. getting the ball time and time again. This was a literal bombardment into our backline, and while Hawkins was still well held by Frawley the likes of Aaron Black (believe it or not) actually killed us with 3 goals. Our midfield was outclassed, our forward line had practically none of the ball (3 inside 50’s in Q3) and our backline was constantly under siege. Players like Shoenmakers and Vickery, who had been quite prominent in the first half, faded completely from complete and utter lack of ball.Dallas Willsmore, O’Meara’s replacement, gave us nothing. I think the quarter can be best described by Cyril strolling in 10 metres out from an open goal and spraying it to the left.

• Welcome Back Roughy: He ran out of puff in the second half, but Roughy’s importance to our side was on show. We threw him into the midfield and he provided a large body at the contests, with fantastic no-look handballs and contested marks. It’s just fantastic to see Roughy back on the field. One goal and 14 disposals really understate his impact on the game.

• Stewart the Saviour: The last quarter was a tighter affair, with both sides jostling for the lead. Burton tried hard to create opportunities, but was often outnumbered. Langford, despite his ugly disposal rearing its head, ran hard and tackled hard. Roughy tried but lack of match fitness was clearly taking its tolls. Cue Kade Stewart, my BOG for the second half. Even though he only had 14 disposals, Stewart’s crunching tackles and complete and utter desperation to win the ball stood out among the younger recruits. 9 tackles and 5 marks highlight that whenever we did win a centre clearance, it was usually thanks to Kade’s efforts. Kicking a goal after the siren to win (and give him 2 goals) was the icing on the cake, and while it is only a preseason game the temperament to kick that goal shows positive signs.

Player Watch:

JLT Series is about taking a look at some new players, new recruits or fringe players. Here are some of the players who caught my eye, for good and bad reasons.

The Good:

• Tyrone Vickery: Provided a lot of impact at the ruck and around the ground. Here’s an interesting stat: at around 15 minutes in the first quarter he had 5 hit outs and 4 were to advantage. He spent less time in the ruck when Pittonet was on the field, and faded in the second half as a resting forward, finishing with an average 10 disposals and 7 hitouts. But his impact in the first half cannot be understated, especially considering that his trademark marking and ability to hit the scoreboard weren’t actually on display. Really promising signs.

• Jaeger O’Meara: A lazy 12 possessions, 9 contested, combined with 5 tackles in a half of football. He crashed packs fearlessly and showed no signs of injury apart from some strapping. Originally I thought it was quite an impressive but not outstanding performance. My opinion changed in the second half, when we missed his presence and suddenly Geelong was beating us at every centre clearance. Now while there are other factors that contributed to our second half decline, no doubt Geelong lifted their intensity, O’Meara being on ice was a large factor. Combined with Tom Mitchell’s ball winning prowess we have a very competent ball winning core for the next 8 years.

• Teia Miles: I already talked about Kade Stewart, so I’ll give some mention of Miles. Miles was particularly impressive in the first half (like most of our players). He was very quick and agile, darting around his opponents, while also having immaculate kicking skills. With Gibson minding Taylor, Miles played the Gibson role of setting up across halfback. He made some mistakes like getting caught trying to take players on, but his smarts were on display and he was rewarded with 17 disposals. He’s not going to play as a forward, seems very much entrenched in defence.

The Average:

• Ryan Burton: Big wraps on Burton. This game he played as a forward, and his explosiveness was on show. His desperation and speed to get the ball was eye-catching, beating 2-3 Geelong players consistently and always having good disposals. He set up one or two goals through his physical attributes and footy smarts, reading the football better and outrunning his opponents. In the last quarter, he seemed to be one of the only forwards still trying desperately to make something happen. Ultimately though he only added a sole behind to the scoreboard to go along with his 9 disposals. Flashes of brilliance and smarts but ultimately an average performance.

• Kieran Lovell: I really wanted Lovell to take control of this game. The young pocket rocket has speed and prowess that was on display in the first quarter specifically, but then he faded considerably as the game went on. Accumulated 17 disposals, so he got a lot of the ball, but his impact on the game was minimal and much less than what I expected. Not a great performance but not a bad one either.

The Ugly:

• Marc Pittonet: The young ruckman was well and truly beaten this game, losing almost 10 centre clearance bounces in a row. 1 hitout sums up his performance, and he was put on ice in the fourth quarter as McEvoy equalled the contest. Though it wasn’t solely his fault, if there was a person to blame for the third quarter and the midfield ascendancy Geelong gained the first person you would point to is Pittonet. The young man knew this too, looking quite distraught on the bench. He’ll be better for the experience, but still a long way away.

• Dallas Willsmore: I had a lot of hope for Dallas, after hearing of his great preseason. O’Meara was always going to be a tough act to follow, but to follow it with 2 possessions in a half of football (both uncontested) was very disappointing. He played in the midfield and in the backline, where he had no impact in either position. It was his chance to try and put himself in a position for a senior selection, but if his performance tonight was any indication he’s nowhere near it.

Stray Thoughts

• Sicily in the backline seemed to work alright. Still think I liked Burton there more.
• Sheils incident was very weird. From the side angle it looked like a non incident when pushing off, but from the back angle it looked like a deliberate elbow to the head. The fact he was looking at the ball the whole time should be enough to save him, but the MRP are no doubt salivating as the commentators (Healey?) made it sound like Sheils hit the guy with a steel chair.
• Hartung had a good run, providing dash and actually going in for the ball. Perhaps sensing that there’s a spot available.
• I think we took more contested marks in the first quarter tonight then we usually had in a game last season.
• Loved Heatherley taking it up to Hawkins. Only played the last quarter, but is quite the spirited character.

Awesome. Thanks for that. Saw the first half and tuned out for the second half (fortunately!)

Cheers

 

[LindaCresLove]

Let me start by saying don’t read anything into this game. Both Geelong and Hawthorn were trying new structures and new personnel that was effective sometimes, and sometimes completely dreadful for both teams. Even though it’s beating Geelong, there was minimal satisfaction I could take out of this game because it was meaningless. Warning: Long Post. It’s detailed for those who couldn’t watch the game and have enough time to read.

Talking Points

• A Tale of Two Halves - The First Half: With Geelong’s best 22 minus Selwood and Menzel (commentators consider Scott Selwood best 22, which is laughable) I was expecting a thrashing. Imagine my surprise when we killed Geelong in the first half. Tyrone Vickery was BOG for mine (imagine my surprise again). Jaeger was blistering, and his importance wasn't understated in the second half. Burton had class. Miles was quick and was actually given the kick out duties. Langford wasn’t butchering the ball completely. We killed Geelong in contested possessions, we beat them in the centre clearances - and if the ball ever got into the backline Frawley killed the contest immediately. We had fast transition around the ground mostly from quick handballs, employing the Bulldogs model. And we actually took contested marks! At one stage we had 10 inside 50’s for 7 marks. Despite not having a lot of senior personal - as well as the absence of club greats Lewis and Mitchell - there were a lot of signs that the new setup was fixing some of the frustrations we had in 2016.

• The Second Half: Preseason or not, giving up a 41 point lead in the space of one quarter was…pretty bad, to say the least. With McEvoy going off from an errant elbow, and O’Meara placed on ice, our centre setup at the start of the third quarter consisted of Pitto, Lovell, Langford and Stewart. The Cats were also kicking with the wind. Stanley murdered us, with 8 consecutive centre bounces resulting in the likes of Dangerfield, Duncan, Cockatoo etc. getting the ball time and time again. This was a literal bombardment into our backline, and while Hawkins was still well held by Frawley the likes of Aaron Black (believe it or not) actually killed us with 3 goals. Our midfield was outclassed, our forward line had practically none of the ball (3 inside 50’s in Q3) and our backline was constantly under siege. Players like Shoenmakers and Vickery, who had been quite prominent in the first half, faded completely from complete and utter lack of ball.Dallas Willsmore, O’Meara’s replacement, gave us nothing. I think the quarter can be best described by Cyril strolling in 10 metres out from an open goal and spraying it to the left.

• Welcome Back Roughy: He ran out of puff in the second half, but Roughy’s importance to our side was on show. We threw him into the midfield and he provided a large body at the contests, with fantastic no-look handballs and contested marks. It’s just fantastic to see Roughy back on the field. One goal and 14 disposals really understate his impact on the game.

• Stewart the Saviour: The last quarter was a tighter affair, with both sides jostling for the lead. Burton tried hard to create opportunities, but was often outnumbered. Langford, despite his ugly disposal rearing its head, ran hard and tackled hard. Roughy tried but lack of match fitness was clearly taking its tolls. Cue Kade Stewart, my BOG for the second half. Even though he only had 14 disposals, Stewart’s crunching tackles and complete and utter desperation to win the ball stood out among the younger recruits. 9 tackles and 5 marks highlight that whenever we did win a centre clearance, it was usually thanks to Kade’s efforts. Kicking a goal after the siren to win (and give him 2 goals) was the icing on the cake, and while it is only a preseason game the temperament to kick that goal shows positive signs.

Player Watch:

JLT Series is about taking a look at some new players, new recruits or fringe players. Here are some of the players who caught my eye, for good and bad reasons.

The Good:

• Tyrone Vickery: Provided a lot of impact at the ruck and around the ground. Here’s an interesting stat: at around 15 minutes in the first quarter he had 5 hit outs and 4 were to advantage. He spent less time in the ruck when Pittonet was on the field, and faded in the second half as a resting forward, finishing with an average 10 disposals and 7 hitouts. But his impact in the first half cannot be understated, especially considering that his trademark marking and ability to hit the scoreboard weren’t actually on display. Really promising signs.

• Jaeger O’Meara: A lazy 12 possessions, 9 contested, combined with 5 tackles in a half of football. He crashed packs fearlessly and showed no signs of injury apart from some strapping. Originally I thought it was quite an impressive but not outstanding performance. My opinion changed in the second half, when we missed his presence and suddenly Geelong was beating us at every centre clearance. Now while there are other factors that contributed to our second half decline, no doubt Geelong lifted their intensity, O’Meara being on ice was a large factor. Combined with Tom Mitchell’s ball winning prowess we have a very competent ball winning core for the next 8 years.

• Teia Miles: I already talked about Kade Stewart, so I’ll give some mention of Miles. Miles was particularly impressive in the first half (like most of our players). He was very quick and agile, darting around his opponents, while also having immaculate kicking skills. With Gibson minding Taylor, Miles played the Gibson role of setting up across halfback. He made some mistakes like getting caught trying to take players on, but his smarts were on display and he was rewarded with 17 disposals. He’s not going to play as a forward, seems very much entrenched in defence.

The Average:

• Ryan Burton: Big wraps on Burton. This game he played as a forward, and his explosiveness was on show. His desperation and speed to get the ball was eye-catching, beating 2-3 Geelong players consistently and always having good disposals. He set up one or two goals through his physical attributes and footy smarts, reading the football better and outrunning his opponents. In the last quarter, he seemed to be one of the only forwards still trying desperately to make something happen. Ultimately though he only added a sole behind to the scoreboard to go along with his 9 disposals. Flashes of brilliance and smarts but ultimately an average performance.

• Kieran Lovell: I really wanted Lovell to take control of this game. The young pocket rocket has speed and prowess that was on display in the first quarter specifically, but then he faded considerably as the game went on. Accumulated 17 disposals, so he got a lot of the ball, but his impact on the game was minimal and much less than what I expected. Not a great performance but not a bad one either.

The Ugly:

• Marc Pittonet: The young ruckman was well and truly beaten this game, losing almost 10 centre clearance bounces in a row. 1 hitout sums up his performance, and he was put on ice in the fourth quarter as McEvoy equalled the contest. Though it wasn’t solely his fault, if there was a person to blame for the third quarter and the midfield ascendancy Geelong gained the first person you would point to is Pittonet. The young man knew this too, looking quite distraught on the bench. He’ll be better for the experience, but still a long way away.

• Dallas Willsmore: I had a lot of hope for Dallas, after hearing of his great preseason. O’Meara was always going to be a tough act to follow, but to follow it with 2 possessions in a half of football (both uncontested) was very disappointing. He played in the midfield and in the backline, where he had no impact in either position. It was his chance to try and put himself in a position for a senior selection, but if his performance tonight was any indication he’s nowhere near it.

Stray Thoughts

• Sicily in the backline seemed to work alright. Still think I liked Burton there more.
• Sheils incident was very weird. From the side angle it looked like a non incident when pushing off, but from the back angle it looked like a deliberate elbow to the head. The fact he was looking at the ball the whole time should be enough to save him, but the MRP are no doubt salivating as the commentators (Healey?) made it sound like Sheils hit the guy with a steel chair.
• Hartung had a good run, providing dash and actually going in for the ball. Perhaps sensing that there’s a spot available.
• I think we took more contested marks in the first quarter tonight then we usually had in a game last season.
• Loved Heatherley taking it up to Hawkins. Only played the last quarter, but is quite the spirited character.

Well done Vando.
Thanks for that, Like your work.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Menzel is a good talent. I'm lost after that. the latest "mate for hawkins' experiment seems to have failed

In fairness it is literally one game in, it's a bit premature to be calling it already. He wasn't bad when he was swung forward in previous years.

 

[atlas1]

I liked the look of Sicily down back

 

[bris tarangau]

Preseason or not, how do you give up a 41 pt lead? What was the advice from Clarko and co? No defense for one quarter?

 

[Cyril_Grip]

Outside of the third qtr we looked pretty good. At the risk of flogging a dead horse, Hartung and Langford worry me – both are young players but often don't look up at the clearances before bombing away. If that's out of the guts,no problem, but from half back it's not ideal. Would love to see them have a look at least. Having said that, Langford worked his derrière off and Hartung's run was pretty good too.
But thank god footy is back!


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[cryptor]

Both teams just blowing out cobwebs. Both sides missing plenty of their best 22 and were playing many players in varying positions all night. Sometimes it suited us and in the first half of the 3rd quarter it really didn't.

- Roughead played really well for a bloke who missed a season.
- O'Meara played insanely well for a bloke who missed 2 seasons.
- Burgoyne is ageless.
- Burton, Lovell and Stewart are all going to get plenty of games this year.
- Nice to see Langford hit the scoreboard. Still just throwing it on the boot though. Needs more composure.
- Some new faces in the centre bounces. Wonder if they'll play time there in the main season.

 

[Brant]

Got a problem with pence?

Hehehe
Nope, I love museums!

 

[Roughies Boys]

Lovell, Miles, Pittonet and Wilsmore not up to it.

Miles was impressive tonight

 

[11sjw]

Preseason or not, how do you give up a 41 pt lead? What was the advice from Clarko and co? No defense for one quarter?

Lost 8 straight clearances when BB and JOM were on the bench.

 

[Beachy]

Great hit out. Third quarter was a learning experience. Young ruck with young mids being schooled by Zac who is a quality ruckman and Dangerfield/Duncan.

Roughy just super for the bloke.

Tv was perfect, did his turn when needed, rucked and competed well creating a big presence. Will continue to improve.

Shoey was great tonight. Was just involved in the game and please just play him forward.

Poppy and Cyril hunted as a pack which was great watching. Scary for opposition defenders.

Looking at want will come into the team, wow is there some up side. Tom m with his inside game, Breust with his creative edge and hodge with just hodge.

We can say that the jom experience is well on track, really good defensive running patterns and the ability to break away from conjestion(hello Dangerfield but finishes better)

Very excited about the furrier of the Hawks.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[MistyAvalon]

a win is a win.............and it is always good to beat geelong

 

[Nathan Detroit]

My watchafl subscription is 195 Australian. Steep but I don't know how else to get it here in the US

My international Hawthorn club membership included the watchafl subscription and I don't think it cost near that much...
Might have to look at that again!

 

[crazywildhorse]

My international Hawthorn club membership included the watchafl subscription and I don't think it cost near that much...
Might have to look at that again!

I think it's the perk for the international members.

 

[A Cut Above]

Hey guys sorry to intrude, great to see JOM up and about, anyone who is pure footy fan would love to see him back playing at his best.
The real elite young players are such a joy to watch, it really doesn't matter which team they play for.

...actually I'd prefer they play for us all things considered.

 

[JoeHawk]

Preseason or not, how do you give up a 41 pt lead? What was the advice from Clarko and co? No defense for one quarter?

Perhaps. He may have made some moves concerning the younger players and left them there as a lesson learnt. Game means nothing but the education means a lot.

 

[Dewnior]

Both sides missing plenty of their best 22

Really? Excluding injuries missing were;

Hawthorn - Hodge, Gunston, Breust, Whitecross, Mitchell

Geelol - Selwood, Menzel, ???

 

[Glorin]

My international Hawthorn club membership included the watchafl subscription and I don't think it cost near that much...
Might have to look at that again!

I think it's the perk for the international members.

Yep, it basically is the International membership as not much else included. Cost $171 for the membership I think.
The watchafl subscription direct was going to cost €149 up from €100 last year.
Lets just hope the service is better than it has been. Seems we have access to fox footy station tv shows aswell. Seems we are doing better than Telstra customers back in OZ!

 

[HairyO]

Clipped a handbagger in the back of the head with his elbow. Boarder-line suspension I recon, but wouldn't be shocked if he got 1. Would be unfortunate to not have him fir round 1.

He only had eyes on the other Geelong player with the ball. How that is anything more than a fine for a reckless collision is beyond me.

The way Dwayne Dickhead went on and on about it was ridiculous. My guess is it was to shut Brereton up and at least sort of discuss the game.

 

[beta_condition]

Kade is going to be player, called it last year. Lot of Luke Dahlhaus vibes from him.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Miles and stewart the standouts of the fringe. Could be a place for miles up back with his neat overlap running and disposal. Nice and creative.

Didnt think burton was as good as others but definately promising. Still some way to go. For such a good kick last year he missed set shots and did again last night. Gotta be fatigue.

Pity we didnt get to see heatherly for longer on hawkins. Looked a potentially good match up.

Dont share the love for lovell yet. Reckon he is someway off.

Duryea had a shocker. Geez he can be frustrating.

Shiels seemed to stuff things up all night.

Gibbo looked cooked still unfort.

Jaegar was fantastic if rusty.

Ty was great in patches but like a lot of our players who we have question marks on was good at times but failed to find consistency.

Birch was good.

Rough is like the glue that holds the side together.

Big boy looks the fittest he has been at hawthorn.

Frawley was very good.

Burger timeless.

We were clearly a much more handball happy side than last year.

A lot of good and bad as expected from game 1. Tempting to read into it but experience tells us it pretty much means nothing.