Prediction Future of Josh has gone to the Dogs.

[Dalions]

No, no, no. Not confirmed until we can positively ID his mouthguard colour. Let's try to be scientific about this. Yes, Facebook picture is very strong evidence. But we all know that players buy mouthguards in the colours of the team they want to sign for. That's hard science people.

Dont ya just hate those black and white ones for Collingwood.
Thugs!

 

[Haso]

It's all about size of smile in draft night photo isn't it?

 

[acuguy]

I think the days of leaving our club are OVA! O.V.A!!

Surely the lads got a taste for what 21k at the Gabba can sound like. This group now look like they want to be responsible for filling the gabba every second week with 30thousand supporters!

 

[Bucking Beads]

I think the days of leaving our club are OVA! O.V.A!!

Surely the lads got a taste for what 21k at the Gabba can sound like. This group now look like they want to be responsible for filling the gabba every second week with 30thousand supporters!

I certainly agree but we'll still lose blokes just because they'd rather play in Victoria.

 

[Billy Puller]

Need to bring fev back the Gabba roared that year

 

[jackess]

Jake Lever is waiting for the CBA before re-signing

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-04/lever-waiting-on-cba-before-signing-contract

 

[wantok]

Dont ya just hate those black and white ones for Collingwood.
Thugs!

Not mouthguard just no mouthguard

 

[Eons]

Dont ya just hate those black and white ones for Collingwood.
Thugs!

Are they mouthguards? Thought the black was just the missing teeth.

 

[CarterS]

Interesting that Cooper Cronk said today he will be leaving the Melbourne Storm at the end of the year for personal reasons. Dal Santo on Fox said he doesn't think the AFL is mature enough to deal with a situation where this type of thing happens yet. He relayed a situation where players in his team when he was playing were told if you say you're going, you're in the 2s for the rest of the year.

 

[Nunez]

Jake Lever is waiting for the CBA before re-signing

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-04/lever-waiting-on-cba-before-signing-contract

I wonder if he'd take 600k a year from us? Lol

 

[CarterS]

Jake Lever is waiting for the CBA before re-signing

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-04/lever-waiting-on-cba-before-signing-contract

The CBA thing makes sense actually. If I was a player I'd be waiting for it.

 

[pulpdriver]

Jake Lever is waiting for the CBA before re-signing

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-04-04/lever-waiting-on-cba-before-signing-contract

I love that a player has said it. Realistically, virtually every single unsigned player is doing the same. Of course their managers are talking with clubs, but nothing will get done and no significant progress can be made until that is finalised.

June 30 is the cut off, right?

 

[Elixuh]

Interesting that Cooper Cronk said today he will be leaving the Melbourne Storm at the end of the year for personal reasons. Dal Santo on Fox said he doesn't think the AFL is mature enough to deal with a situation where this type of thing happens yet. He relayed a situation where players in his team when he was playing were told if you say you're going, you're in the 2s for the rest of the year.

It would depend on the circumstances but I disagree that it is necessarily a 'maturity thing'. Schache is a perfect example. If he said tomorrow that he would be leaving at the end of the year I would be advocating for him to spend the rest of the year in the 2s.

Why would a young developing list play a guy who will not be there the following season. Why would a young developing list (essentially) develop a player for another team whilst holding back the development of other players who they know will be there the following season.

 

[Skoob]

It would depend on the circumstances but I disagree that it is necessarily a 'maturity thing'. Schache is a perfect example. If he said tomorrow that he would be leaving at the end of the year I would be advocating for him to spend the rest of the year in the 2s.

Why would a young developing list play a guy who will not be there the following season. Why would a young developing list (essentially) develop a player for another team whilst holding back the development of other players who they know will be there the following season.

If it is policy, let alone one that is voiced as a threat, then don't expect any honesty. This is what gets you to the end of trade week before some twerp like Aish tells you his intentions.

 

[Elixuh]

If it is policy, let alone one that is voiced as a threat, then don't expect any honesty. This is what gets you to the end of trade week before some twerp like Aish tells you his intentions.

Again, it depends on the circumstances, but it is why I expect nothing to change. I'm not advocating it as a form of punishment or as a threat, it just makes sense from a business/team management perspective. In this situation the player shouldn't expect the team to say, no worries business as usual.

 

[Elixuh]

If it is policy, let alone one that is voiced as a threat, then don't expect any honesty. This is what gets you to the end of trade week before some twerp like Aish tells you his intentions.

Wouldn't you need to allow teams to trade whenever they like to encourage honest dialogue across the board?

 

[Len S]

Interesting that Cooper Cronk said today he will be leaving the Melbourne Storm at the end of the year for personal reasons. Dal Santo on Fox said he doesn't think the AFL is mature enough to deal with a situation where this type of thing happens yet. He relayed a situation where players in his team when he was playing were told if you say you're going, you're in the 2s for the rest of the year.

He's played 3games......there's a difference.

 

[briztoon]

It would depend on the circumstances but I disagree that it is necessarily a 'maturity thing'. Schache is a perfect example. If he said tomorrow that he would be leaving at the end of the year I would be advocating for him to spend the rest of the year in the 2s.

Why would a young developing list play a guy who will not be there the following season. Why would a young developing list (essentially) develop a player for another team whilst holding back the development of other players who they know will be there the following season.

Poor analogy.

Melbourne is a legitimate top 4 and finals contender, and Cooper Cronk is not some developing kid, but a 33 year old, won everything there is to win in the sport, player.

A more apt analogy is if Simon Black said in 2008 he wanted to return the Fremantle for family reasons, and continue playing the sport he loves for Fremantle football club.

 

[Kevvo]

Poor analogy.

Melbourne is a legitimate top 4 and finals contender, and Cooper Cronk is not some developing kid, but a 33 year old, won everything there is to win in the sport, player.

A more apt analogy is if Simon Black said in 2008 he wanted to return the Fremantle for family reasons, and continue playing the sport he loves for Fremantle football club.

I could be wrong, but I think you might have missed Elixuh 's point here.

If I understand properly, he's saying exactly this. Cooper Cronk can 'be honest' with the Storm for exactly the reasons you mention. He's a fully developed player who'll contribute this year, possibly towards a premiership, so Melbourne gets the value if they play him. In the alternative circumstance where it's a young player at a club like ours (the Schache example), it makes no sense for us to play a kid that is leaving because their short term contribution is minimal and another club gets the benefit.

It's not entirely a question of clubs being mature or immature. It works for Melbourne because of those specific circumstances.

 

[Len S]

He's played 3games......there's a difference.

300 games sorry !!!

 

[briztoon]

I could be wrong, but I think you might have missed Elixuh 's point here.

If I understand properly, he's saying exactly this. Cooper Cronk can 'be honest' with the Storm for exactly the reasons you mention. He's a fully developed player who'll contribute this year, possibly towards a premiership, so they get the value if the play him. In the alternative circumstance where it's a young player at a club like ours (the Schache example), it makes no sense for us to play a kid that says they want to leave because their short term contribution is minimal and another club gets the benefit.

So, it's not entirely a question of clubs being mature or immature. It works for Melbourne because of those specific circumstances.

Gotcha.

In such circumstances I would probably play Schache in the seconds as well. Bennett did exactly this with a young Justin Hodges when he signed to play for Roosters 2002, half way through the 2001 season, sending Hodges down to the Toowoomba feeder club.

I watched the same interview on Fox Sports with Dal Santo. I got the impression that Dal Santo wasn't talking about when he was a younger player, but rather when he was a mature player exploring his options before re-signing St Kilda.

 

[Elixuh]

Poor analogy.

Melbourne is a legitimate top 4 and finals contender, and Cooper Cronk is not some developing kid, but a 33 year old, won everything there is to win in the sport, player.

A more apt analogy is if Simon Black said in 2008 he wanted to return the Fremantle for family reasons, and continue playing the sport he loves for Fremantle football club.

What Kevvo said is correct. You missed my point on this one.

A different example would be if Dangerfield had told Adelaide during the season that he would be leaving. I would expect a different outcome (to the Schache scenario). Adelaide was pushing for a premiership and Dangerfield was a key ingredient so I reckon they would have played him.

Different circumstances will determine different responses and outcomes.

 

[Skoob]

Again, it depends on the circumstances, but it is why I expect nothing to change. I'm not advocating it as a form of punishment or as a threat, it just makes sense from a business/team management perspective. In this situation the player shouldn't expect the team to say, no worries business as usual.

I agree, that whether or how you use those players depends on who that player is and where your team is at. Also agree that if it were Schache, the 2s would be his new home, although playing him may also improve his currency at the table.
However, the comment was made;

players in his team when he was playing were told if you say you're going, you're in the 2s for the rest of the year.

This isn't making the decision in response to a player's wishes, but rather telling them the consequences before hand. The player's response is simple from here; "Fine, I won't tell you that".
It is entirely dependant on the player's worth, whether they play seniors or not. Most players could work that out, but I wouldn't be giving them a heads up. You would have to demand a commitment, in which case you risk alienating an undecided player.

 

[Elixuh]

However, the comment was made;

This isn't making the decision in response to a player's wishes, but rather telling them the consequences before hand. The player's response is simple from here; "Fine, I won't tell you that".
It is entirely dependant on the player's worth, whether they play seniors or not. Most players could work that out, but I wouldn't be giving them a heads up. You would have to demand a commitment, in which case you risk alienating an undecided player.

I didn't see the interview but didn't someone mention that this 'policy' was in place when dal santo was starting out in the early 00s? I would take a guess and say that it is a bit different now and likely looked at on a case by case basis as circumstances dictate. It still doesn't incentivise honest dialogue mind you.

 

[dlanod]

NRL is also different in that with the massive list turn-over and free movement it's all about making your team as attractive as possible with regards to wins. If Melbourne has half a dozen players signed with other clubs for the following year, you'll still want to play them to get those wins to encourage other players to join you. Because AFL player movement is a lot more limited there's not that same pressure and a club can do a full rebuild over five years (if they're lucky).