Society/Culture Why is the Hammer and Sickle so accepted in society?

[geelong_crazy26]

I was watching channel 7 the other day and noticed that they were promoting a Russian couple who are going to be on their cooking show. To promote the fact they were Russian channel 7 used the hammer and sickle image as a backdrop to them.

How is this acceptable to display the logo/flag of a tyrannical regime that killed millions? Could you imagine the outpour of disgust if a German couple were on the show and the Nazi flag was used?

The hammer and sickle is also a very common image at far-left protests and demonstrations, yet it doesn't seem to cause any concern or outrage? Are people simply not aware that this was the symbol of Stalin and co?

Notice how the dangers and failures of communism/socialism are just about never talked about at schools or Universities ? strange given there is so much focus on colonial imperialism, male patriarchy and the oppression of black people and Muslim women.

 

[Malifice]

If I wrote what you did for your post #4, but replaced the words hammer and sickle with swastika, and communism with National Socialism, I would be blasted

If you tried to make the claim the swastika wasn't virtually exclusively associated with Nazi Germany, then yes you probably would be blasted. Because that statement is self-evidently wrong.

The hammer and sickle symbol are not exclusively associated with Stalin's Communist Russia. That is all I was saying. You would be equally wrong to claim that it is. Several nations use/ have used the hammer and sickle, and several political parties use the hammer and sickle as a logo.

Other political parties have used the swastika of course (such as the American Nazi party).

The hammer and sickle themselves dont represent anything genocidal unlike the swastika (despite some Communist or Marxist nations engaging in genocide such as Cambodia and Soviet Russia). There is nothing inherent in socialism or Marxism that requires a socialist state to round up millions of people and send them to gulags. There is something express in Nazism that requires a national socialist state to pretty much engage in genocide. Socialism and Marxism are not by nature xenophobic or ultranationalist.

Karl Marx didn't exactly advocate the actions of Pol Pot and Stalin. Hitler on the other hand...

 

[Malifice]

Notice how the dangers and failures of communism/socialism are just about never talked about at schools or Universities ?

Derp. Because we don't learn about the killing fields of Cambodia, or about Joseph Stalin or about the Cold War?

What school did you go to?

 

[strung_out7]

If you tried to make the claim the swastika wasn't virtually exclusively associated with Nazi Germany, then yes you probably would be blasted. Because that statement is self-evidently wrong.

The hammer and sickle symbol are not exclusively associated with Stalin's Communist Russia. That is all I was saying. You would be equally wrong to claim that it is. Several nations use/ have used the hammer and sickle, and several political parties use the hammer and sickle as a logo.

Other political parties have used the swastika of course (such as the American Nazi party).

The hammer and sickle themselves dont represent anything genocidal unlike the swastika (despite some Communist or Marxist nations engaging in genocide such as Cambodia and Soviet Russia). There is nothing inherent in socialism or Marxism that requires a socialist state to round up millions of people and send them to gulags. There is something express in Nazism that requires a national socialist state to pretty much engage in genocide. Socialism and Marxism are not by nature xenophobic or ultranationalist.

Karl Marx didn't exactly advocate the actions of Pol Pot and Stalin. Hitler on the other hand...

That is absolute garbage

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Notice how the dangers and failures of communism/socialism are just about never talked about at schools or Universities ? strange given there is so much focus on colonial imperialism, male patriarchy and the oppression of black people and Muslim women.

What... in health science? Accounting? Engineering?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Derp. Because we don't learn about the killing fields of Cambodia, or about Joseph Stalin or about the Cold War?

What school did you go to?

APS school that today would cost over $25,000 a year.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The hammer and sickle themselves dont represent anything genocidal unlike the swastika (despite some Communist or Marxist nations engaging in genocide such as Cambodia and Soviet Russia). There is nothing inherent in socialism or Marxism that requires a socialist state to round up millions of people and send them to gulags. There is something express in Nazism that requires a national socialist state to pretty much engage in genocide. Socialism and Marxism are not by nature xenophobic or ultranationalist.

Karl Marx didn't exactly advocate the actions of Pol Pot and Stalin. Hitler on the other hand...

Communism and Nazism are both forms of totalitarianism were the government sees not limits to its powers. This includes a focus on social engineering which always ends badly.

 

[medusala]

If you tried to make the claim the swastika wasn't virtually exclusively associated with Nazi Germany, then yes you probably would be blasted. Because that statement is self-evidently wrong..

lol.

The swastika (also known as the gammadion cross, cross cramponnée, or manji) (as a Chinese character: 卐 or 卍) is a symbol that generally takes the form of an equilateral cross, with its four legs bent at 90 degrees. It is considered to be a sacred and auspicious symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.

The hammer and sickle themselves dont represent anything genocidal unlike the swastika (despite some Communist or Marxist nations engaging in genocide such as Cambodia and Soviet Russia).

wow, how to brush aside the deaths of up to 20m deaths in the USSR. Well done Mal (oh and thats forgetting the peace and love that Eastern Europe enjoyed under communist rule)

 

[medusala]

 

[WeetBixKid]

lol.

The swastika (also known as the gammadion cross, cross cramponnée, or manji) (as a Chinese character: 卐 or 卍) is a symbol that generally takes the form of an equilateral cross, with its four legs bent at 90 degrees. It is considered to be a sacred and auspicious symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.




wow, how to brush aside the deaths of up to 20m deaths in the USSR. Well done Mal (oh and thats forgetting the peace and love that Eastern Europe enjoyed under communist rule)

You'll definitely find swastikas all over China & South East Asia.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Oh come on, how many people are going to see the hammer and sickle and not think Soviet Russia? Other organizations have used the swastika but that doesn't lesson it's connection to Nazi Germany.

The majority of the people in between Germany and Russia seem to think they are interchangeably intolerable for political purposes.

TBH I think of Angola.

 

[PP34]

I was watching channel 7 the other day and noticed that they were promoting a Russian couple who are going to be on their cooking show. To promote the fact they were Russian channel 7 used the hammer and sickle image as a backdrop to them.

How is this acceptable to display the logo/flag of a tyrannical regime that killed millions? Could you imagine the outpour of disgust if a German couple were on the show and the Nazi flag was used?

The hammer and sickle is also a very common image at far-left protests and demonstrations, yet it doesn't seem to cause any concern or outrage? Are people simply not aware that this was the symbol of Stalin and co?

Almost anyone knows about the Nazis and the symbolism of the Swastika. It was one of the first bits of confronting history that I learned in school.

For whatever reason Russian history is barely even talked about at school unless you take a history class in your final school years.

There’s also a heap of pop culture stuff that goes into the Nazis are bad thing. Like at school, pop culture tends to ignore Russia. I guess that would be my experience as part of the younger generation. I do find it bizarre though how other generations seemingly know much more about Nazi Germany than they do the Soviet Union. All of that stuff was much more recent.

I guess the West was fighting against the Germans and not the Russians in WW2 so I think that has a heap to do with it. We probably ignore the nastiness of the regime because they were our allies.

 

[PP34]

What?

I mean...what?

I actually think he’s kind of right. You’re educated a fair bit through the modern school system on how terrible Nazi Germany is even if you don’t go out of your way to study history. Yet Russia’s entire history pretty much gets ignored unless you take a class that looks at Russia. It’s sad really because Russia’s history is genuinely fascinating.

Likewise pop culture has pretty much ignored Russian history.

Almost anyone over 15 could probably tell you that Hitler was bad and then mention something he did. If you asked people about Stalin you wouldn’t get near the same response.

 

[medusala]

Almost anyone over 15 could probably tell you that Hitler was bad and then mention something he did. If you asked people about Stalin you wouldn’t get near the same response.

This historian was deified by the Guardian and others upon his death. Deeply shameful stuff. Plenty of hammer and sickle flags on show when Corbyn holds rallies.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/o...f-the-finest-of-the-20th-century-8193057.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...liever-in-the-Red-utopia-to-the-very-end.html

Asked by the Canadian academic and politician Michael Ignatieff on television whether the deaths of 20 million people in the USSR – not to mention the 55 to 65 million victims of Mao’s Great Leap Forward – might have been justified if this Red utopia had been realised, Hobsbawm muttered in the affirmative.

 

[Malifice]

APS school that today would cost over $25,000 a year.

So your parents are wealthy then?

That figures.

 

[Malifice]

Communism and Nazism are both forms of totalitarianism were the government sees not limits to its powers. This includes a focus on social engineering which always ends badly.

We finally found something we agree on. You can add fundamentalism in there as well.

 

[King Brown]

Karl Marx didn't exactly advocate the actions of Pol Pot and Stalin. Hitler on the other hand...

Karl Marx had no association with the hammer and sickle, you complete fool. It is and always was a Soviet symbol.

 

[King Brown]

lol.

The swastika (also known as the gammadion cross, cross cramponnée, or manji) (as a Chinese character: 卐 or 卍) is a symbol that generally takes the form of an equilateral cross, with its four legs bent at 90 degrees. It is considered to be a sacred and auspicious symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.

Swastika is also etymologically related to the Thai greeting: sawatdi.

 

[Helfarch]

If you tried to make the claim the swastika wasn't virtually exclusively associated with Nazi Germany, then yes you probably would be blasted. Because that statement is self-evidently wrong.

The hammer and sickle symbol are not exclusively associated with Stalin's Communist Russia. That is all I was saying. You would be equally wrong to claim that it is. Several nations use/ have used the hammer and sickle, and several political parties use the hammer and sickle as a logo.

Other political parties have used the swastika of course (such as the American Nazi party).

The hammer and sickle themselves dont represent anything genocidal unlike the swastika (despite some Communist or Marxist nations engaging in genocide such as Cambodia and Soviet Russia). There is nothing inherent in socialism or Marxism that requires a socialist state to round up millions of people and send them to gulags. There is something express in Nazism that requires a national socialist state to pretty much engage in genocide. Socialism and Marxism are not by nature xenophobic or ultranationalist.

Karl Marx didn't exactly advocate the actions of Pol Pot and Stalin. Hitler on the other hand...

It's a Soviet symbol, the swastika is an ancient symbol used all over the world for thousands of years, you are very wrong on this.

Polish genocide during The Great Purge, Ukrainian genocide, two easy examples.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

This historian was deified by the Guardian and others upon his death. Deeply shameful stuff. Plenty of hammer and sickle flags on show when Corbyn holds rallies.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/o...f-the-finest-of-the-20th-century-8193057.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...liever-in-the-Red-utopia-to-the-very-end.html

Asked by the Canadian academic and politician Michael Ignatieff on television whether the deaths of 20 million people in the USSR – not to mention the 55 to 65 million victims of Mao’s Great Leap Forward – might have been justified if this Red utopia had been realised, Hobsbawm muttered in the affirmative.

It's disappointing when we see elites like Hobsbawn and the US defense complex essentially arguing the deaths of so many people might be worth some amorphous societal goal.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

TBH I think of Angola.

BS.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

So your parents are wealthy then?

That figures.

I am the most intelligent poster on bigfooty who other posters always look to for guidance and I would of ended up being rich even if I had poor parents .

Me and Donald Trump have lots in common .

 

[Jobe Watson]

I am the most intelligent poster on bigfooty who other posters always look to for guidance and I would of ended up being rich even if I had poor parents .

Gold.

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

I am the most intelligent poster on bigfooty who other posters always look to for guidance and I would of ended up being rich even if I had poor parents .

Me and Donald Trump have lots in common .

Hmm...

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

Gold.

So quick!