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"Oh it's just too cold when I leave the MCC after dark and I don't trust the look of persons of African appearance at Richmond station. Day grand final stays!"

- The List

This sounds like the same list that contradicts itself depending on the topic.

"We can't have a night GF, the AFL only wants one to make extra money. That's not a valid reason!"

"We can't ever move the GF from the MCG, the AFL will miss out on extra money!"
 
They announced on Fox Sports news the other day that the NRL are considering a wildcard weekend where 7th-10th play off for the last two top 8 spots, so I can only assume the AFL will introduce that for next season.

Is there any business case to moving the GF to twilight? Friday night footy is popular but I didn't think Saturday night/Sunday twilight were huge ratings winners.
 

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The AFL are not going to move the GF to twilight and then sign up an 80s/90s Aussie act as the main entertainment.

They'll end up with something like The Proclaimers, Barry Gibb and Avril Lavigne
Pretty sure the Grand Final entertainment is hit and miss every year. Not sure the time of day changes that.
 
They announced on Fox Sports news the other day that the NRL are considering a wildcard weekend where 7th-10th play off for the last two top 8 spots, so I can only assume the AFL will introduce that for next season.

Is there any business case to moving the GF to twilight? Friday night footy is popular but I didn't think Saturday night/Sunday twilight were huge ratings winners.
What has the NRL done previously that the AFL have copied? Seems a weird assumption on your behalf that the AFL will do that next year.
 
Hahahahaha. s**t, cancel the whole thing. I know for a fact that there isn’t one single St.Kilda supporter that would stay up a bit later to enjoy the celebrations of a premiership 😂
You were already informed of the arguments yet you played dumb asking "How?", I gave you the reasons (again). Your claim to know what every St Kilda supporter thinks and is willing to do is...well it speaks for itself.
 
Shut the thread down. There's no point even debating it because we all know why this is in the media right now. Because the AFL have already decided that either from this year or next the GF will be twilight. And we all know once it moves we will never, ever have a day GF again.
The AFL have decided nothing. It won't happen this year, but the AFL are under intense pressure from Channel 7 to do as they are told. The decision can be stopped, as it was four years ago when Demetriou tried it. As long as the players and clubs oppose it as they did before and importantly the fans like ourselves make it known that we also oppose it; the alternative? Let them walk all over us!
 
The AFL want the GF to be the Super Bowl. Most fans don't really GAF about the day outside of the footy aspect of it.

The fans want it to be more like the FA Cup, with a decent share of tickets going to the competing sides and a focus on the game.
Isn't the FA Cup final played at twilight?
 
Good decision.

When the sun goes down, the MCG will be the only safe place in Melbourne from home invasions and marauding street games.

However, does public safety demand each patron be individually escorted home by security, or will there be a simple lock in until 8:00 am the next morning?
 

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Reeks of cultural cringe.

Usa and Sydney have their dreadful sports grand final played at night therefore have to.copy them.

Christ AFL back yourself in and respect your games tradition
No, it's it's it's just that we MUST change

We don't need a good reason

We just need to MOVE WITH THE TIMESo_O

The Grand Final in the later timeslot will mean more people who don't give rat's arse about AFL footy will watch the game for 20 minutes before cracking the shits over rules they don't understand and then switching over to a movie on Netflix while grumbling "I hate the GayFL"

It's REALLY important that we pander to these people and the Channel 7 executives. They are far more important than the 5/6/7 year old kids who will be asleep in bed by the time the game finishes. Kids aren't important. Who needs 'em? The AFL break their attendance records every year. The game is in good hands. It's strong at the grass roots.:rolleyes:
 
3/3 twilight prelims (2012, 2014, 2017) at the MCG had no issues with dew at all. There are legitimate arguments against change, but based on actual evidence, conditions affecting the standard of play is not one of them.
I was talking about a night Grand Final.

A twilight Grand Final is just the thin edge of the wedge... The AFL will probably start the GF at around 5pm for 3-4 years and once they've conditioned folks to the shift away from a daytime GF, it won't be such a leap to shift the start time back another couple of hours to 7pm.

Most games for 25 weeks are twilight and night and you don't care... Fact.
False

I much prefer going to the G on a Saturday arvo than a Friday or Saturday night.

I'm happy to watch any old game on TV on a Friday or Saturday night, but the GF isn't any old game. It's the biggest game of the year and it's just great how it is. Love the 2:30pm start. I'm saddened that all the other MCG finals are now played at night. It's just not as good as the old daytime Semis and Prelims... FACT
 
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You were already informed of the arguments yet you played dumb asking "How?", I gave you the reasons (again). Your claim to know what every St Kilda supporter thinks and is willing to do is...well it speaks for itself.
Your reasons are stupid. ‘People from out of town’ will have to go to bed later..
how many people from out of town go to the grand final, of them, how many would make the effort and spend the money but then go home instead of celebrating a premiership? Melbourne has an abundance of these things called hotels.
The clubs could host grand final celebrations the next day, something they already do, if it’s too late.
Further more to that have you been in Melbourne on gf day? The place is buzzing and everyone is out very late.
I’m not sure how changing the start time by a few hours all of a sudden alienate all these out of towners you speak of.
 
Personally I think a few hours is all that's needed to change the crowd dynamic from 'some of the crowd showing up with a few drinks under their belt' to 'a lot of the crowd showing up half cut'. Let's face it GF day is a drinking competition for many. I'm no tee-totaller and I'm fine with having a bunch of beers at the footy, but I can just imagine the later stages of a close grand final, emotions running high, 100,000 ppl, you can't just move seats. I just don't think it's a great idea for families attending and getting home on public transport etc etc.
 
But it still used to be 'tradition' to start the game a couple of hours earlier?

Was always on at 3pm. They moved it in 2012 to avoid clashing with other 3pm fixtures and it's been at 5/5.15 since. It's still not really twilight at that time of year anyway.

My point was that the FA Cup is still a people's event rather than a corporate one. Each club gets 28,000 tickets out of 90,000 and 14,000 go to fans through grassroots levels. The AFL are making the GF more and more corporate focused each year. They want tickets going to AFL members and people who can afford $1,000 packages, not club members who pay their few hundred a year to sit in the rain. Fans in Vic, SA, WA and Tas are going to watch the GF whether it's on at 5am or 11pm but the AFL don't give a s**t about annoying any of them if they can get a few more people in NSW/Qld tuning in.
 
Personally I think a few hours is all that's needed to change the crowd dynamic from 'some of the crowd showing up with a few drinks under their belt' to 'a lot of the crowd showing up half cut'. Let's face it GF day is a drinking competition for many. I'm no tee-totaller and I'm fine with having a bunch of beers at the footy, but I can just imagine the later stages of a close grand final, emotions running high, 100,000 ppl, you can't just move seats. I just don't think it's a great idea for families attending and getting home on public transport etc etc.

Excuses are getting lame now.
 
Your reasons are stupid. ‘People from out of town’ will have to go to bed later..
how many people from out of town go to the grand final, of them, how many would make the effort and spend the money but then go home instead of celebrating a premiership? Melbourne has an abundance of these things called hotels.
The clubs could host grand final celebrations the next day, something they already do, if it’s too late.
Further more to that have you been in Melbourne on gf day? The place is buzzing and everyone is out very late.
I’m not sure how changing the start time by a few hours all of a sudden alienate all these out of towners you speak of.
That is a weird assumption, that everyone is a winner. Have you ever been in Melbourne just after a GF, many people are crying and near suicidal. Out of town could be as close as Melton or as far as Shepparton, with the GF finishing at 6pm they can get home that evening. You sound like Marie Antoinette, when the peasants demand bread, "If they have no bread, let them eat cake", ie: some people cannot afford a hotel for the night in Melbourne at the best of times, let alone when prices sky rocket on GF night. The clubs already host GF celebration the next day, but it would be end of the evening club celebration, back to a bunch of hung-over players (in sunglasses) turning up at midday, trying to grin while holding back the chunder, waving to the crowd before rushing off to the loo for a spew. The real celebration is the night of the GF.

I am astounded that you are so enthusiastic for changing the time when most others either oppose it or don't care. You work for Channel 7?
 
That is a weird assumption, that everyone is a winner. Have you ever been in Melbourne just after a GF, many people are crying and near suicidal. Out of town could be as close as Melton or as far as Shepparton, with the GF finishing at 6pm they can get home that evening. You sound like Marie Antoinette, when the peasants demand bread, "If they have no bread, let them eat cake", ie: some people cannot afford a hotel for the night in Melbourne at the best of times, let alone when prices sky rocket on GF night. The clubs already host GF celebration the next day, but it would be end of the evening club celebration, back to a bunch of hung-over players (in sunglasses) turning up at midday, trying to grin while holding back the chunder, waving to the crowd before rushing off to the loo for a spew. The real celebration is the night of the GF.

I am astounded that you are so enthusiastic for changing the time when most others either oppose it or don't care. You work for Channel 7?
Ok, I know what I’m dealing with now.
 

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