AFL 2019 Round 6: Richmond v Melbourne, 7:35pm AEST MCG

[MC Extra Dollop]

Gotta love the April/May champions that are Collingwood. A team that has won 2 flags in 60 years.

As opposed to one GF and a handful of finals wins in over 35? Richmond has been a contender for about two years now. They've been the team to beat for one year and failed to cope with the pressure.

The current Tigers outfit has a fair bit to do to show that they'll ultimately have a better legacy than any of the other sides that have managed a single flag in the past decade and managed to stay in contention for several more seasons (Collingwood, Sydney, West Coast...I'll give you the Bulldogs at this stage). Let's see if Richmond manages any more flags in the next 3-5 years, or even if they remain in contention for that period before we get too carried away about where they sit in the pantheon.

It might just be a byproduct of living in Victoria, but the deference that Richmond seems to get in the media seems way out of proportion to, say, the reigning premier.

 

[kozi]

Won 3 in the last 9 attempts. Can you post me a picture of your preliminaryship t shirt please? I wanna see what it looks like. But, please stay cocky. I like it.

Got it in the pack with the prelim final winners coffee mug and bumper sticker.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Who doesn't look lile a gun surrounded by elite teammates?

That's a simplistic way to look at it. It's about having complementary pieces in the midfield, not three on ballers who basically do the same thing.

 

[WCfan22]

Yep but that’s just what I’m saying- why go on about Lewis- he is an easy fix- he will finish up.
It’s what to do about their plodding midfield, their dysfunctional forward line, their undermanned backline and so forth that needs the attention- a more difficult fix. To work out what has happened since the final against WC. What has turned a very good team into quite a mess. That’s where I would be focussing my energy. It’s fallen away so quickly, perhaps it can be righted quickly?

Would think their back line would be somewhat sorted when May and Lever come in as for the rest ??????

 

[captain blood 17]

As opposed to one GF and a handful of finals wins in over 35? Richmond has been a contender for about two years now. They've been the team to beat for one year and failed to cope with the pressure.

The current Tigers outfit has a fair bit to do to show that they'll ultimately have a better legacy than any of the other sides that have managed a single flag in the past decade and managed to stay in contention for several more seasons (Collingwood, Sydney, West Coast...I'll give you the Bulldogs at this stage). Let's see if Richmond manages any more flags in the next 3-5 years, or even if they remain in contention for that period before we get too carried away about where they sit in the pantheon.

It might just be a byproduct of living in Victoria, but the deference that Richmond seems to get in the media seems way out of proportion to, say, the reigning premier.

Coming from the supporter of a club which won nothing for 45 years (until 2007). You have won 9 flags in your your pitiful existence. And you talk legacies? Remember the handbag legacy? Short memories some of you folk......if ever there was a club that has delivered SFA, it’s the cats. Hardwicks finals record is what, one finals win short of Scott and Scott won with Bombers list. Laughable.


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[MC Extra Dollop]

Coming from the supporter of a club which won nothing for 45 years (until 2007). You have won 9 flags in your your pitiful existence. And you talk legacies? Remember the handbag legacy? Short memories some of you folk......if ever there was a club that has delivered SFA, it’s the cats. Hardwicks finals record is what, one finals win short of Scott and Scott won with Bombers list. Laughable.


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This is a Richmond/Melbourne thread. It's not about Geelong, or Collingwood, or any other deflections you want to come up with. Stick to the point.

 

[JoondalupJ]

Melbourne are awful. They haven't been this bad for... About two years I guess.

Funny you should say that. Said it my self last night 2 or 3 years ago when they hadn't learnt how to win. They have forgotten again!

 

[CaptainHowdy87]

I heard Sumich talking about Stack last week and they asked what his issues were. He replied it had nothing to do with attitude or partying or being lazy it was simply lack of professionalism ie, he literally lived hours away from training so was regularly late, Sumich pulled him aside early on in the piece and said, there are no excuses in a professional environment you just have to do something about the problem and he did - was then reinstated back into the squad.

All this talk about massive issues and being a loose cannon are just rubbish. Kids a dynamo and has a great attitude

In that case then it's very unfair and irresponsible for people to perpetuate rumors of him being some loose cannon with behavioral issues, especially if those rumors began before Freo and West Coast turned him down. Potentially effecting this kid's livelihood and chances at an AFL career because some arseh*le successfully began circulating false rumors about him is deplorable.

 

[Corkintheocean]

That's a simplistic way to look at it. It's about having complementary pieces in the midfield, not three on ballers who basically do the same thing.

Not simplistic at all. There are a plethora of hard inside mids that play footy all around the country that would look like world beaters with a Kelly and Coniglio alongside them (for example). My point is that keeping those complimentary pieces constant, Viney is below mediocre relative to other AFL style talent.

 

[JoondalupJ]

You've got issues. Go see a doctor immediately.

Yes and you too, here we are on the Richmond v Melbourne thread, baiting each other!

We'll we meet again, don't know where don't know when!!!

And now I'm serenading you, get my pills IMMEDIATELY!!

 

[JoondalupJ]

In that case then it's very unfair and irresponsible for people to perpetuate rumors of him being some loose cannon with behavioral issues, especially if those rumors began before Freo and West Coast turned him down. Potentially effecting this kid's livelihood and chances at an AFL career because some arseh*le successfully began circulating false rumors about him is deplorable.

But its great that he turned around , whether things were true or false or exaggerated, and if it was him delivering that brilliant legal hip and shoulder
( the best I've seen for many years) and the umpires left him alone, thank God!

Well he has a massive future as a "footballer" !!!

 

[Bazzar]

I heard Sumich talking about Stack last week and they asked what his issues were. He replied it had nothing to do with attitude or partying or being lazy it was simply lack of professionalism ie, he literally lived hours away from training so was regularly late, Sumich pulled him aside early on in the piece and said, there are no excuses in a professional environment you just have to do something about the problem and he did - was then reinstated back into the squad.

All this talk about massive issues and being a loose cannon are just rubbish. Kids a dynamo and has a great attitude

It's still a fact he was kicked out of both academies, so their must have been issues

 

[captain blood 17]

This is a Richmond/Melbourne thread. It's not about Geelong, or Collingwood, or any other deflections you want to come up with. Stick to the point.

The point is we didn’t fail to cope with the pressure. We backed up with a top of the ladder finish and prelim final.
We are now winning interstate and without our best players. We haven’t fallen away. Even in 2017, we actually finished 2 points off top spot. We are backing up quite well. And our depth is possibly the best in the league (as supported by our VFL results of the last 2 years and this year).
But, you got a bias and i’m not surprised you can’t give credit where it’s due.


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[MC Extra Dollop]

Not simplistic at all. There are a plethora of hard inside mids that play footy all around the country that would look like world beaters with a Kelly and Coniglio alongside them (for example). My point is that keeping those complimentary pieces constant, Viney is below mediocre relative to other AFL style talent.

I thought we were talking about Oliver? My point is he (Oliver) is a lot better than a bog average 'hard inside mid', but he doesn't have the inside/outside game that only the very best have. He's like Scott West, Matt Priddis, one of those types. In the right midfield, he's elite. In the wrong midfield (i.e. one without the linebreaking outside class), he looks like a plodder. You can't just put him in any midfield and be assured he'd succeed, but there's not many players in the league who can do that.

 

[Bazzar]

Can't expect much from a playing group who rebel against their coach and refuse to attend a tough pre season camp.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

The point is we didn’t fail to cope with the pressure. We backed up with a top of the ladder finish and prelim final.
We are now winning interstate and without our best players. We haven’t fallen away. Even in 2017, we actually finished 2 points off top spot. We are backing up quite well. And our depth is possibly the best in the league (as supported by our VFL results of the last 2 years and this year).
But, you got a bias and i’m not surprised you can’t give credit where it’s due.


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Attacking the 'team supported' fell flat for you, so might as well try attacking the poster, I suppose. What bias?

You could also look at 2019 so far as Richmond being beaten twice by more than 40 points and let three apparent cellar dwellers hang around for far longer than they should have. One genuinely gutsy/impressive win, with your backs against the wall in hostile territory against a good opponent in Port Adelaide.

Richmond's not an all time great team by a long shot. Not yet. My point is, when you look at the other teams that managed one flag over the past decade, Richmond is only ahead of the Bulldogs, in terms of sustained success. The others played in multiple grand finals, had consistent top four finishes for an extended period. That's the minimum standard if Richmond people expect this team to stand out when compared to other recent premiers.

The whole 'here they come, be very scared opposition teams' like they've been a juggernaut for 10 years is a bit ridiculous, particularly after beating a team that looked as inept as Melbourne did last night. It's pretty hard to know what to take out of Richmond's performance last night. Melbourne didn't look AFL-standard and the Tigers obviously get some of the credit for the part they played in making them look so terrible, but it's hard to gauge just how much.

 

[zacaxel1975]

Was there another incident with Viney that might have given him some concussion, or is Goodwin suggesting the Stack bump might have had head contact?

MELBOURNE will send co-captain Jack Viney for scans on Thursday after he injured his right shoulder in a heavy hip and shoulder from Tiger Sydney Stack at the MCG on Wednesday night, coach Simon Goodwin says.
"He'll be an assessment tomorrow so we'll have to look at that shoulder and some concussion stuff that we'll have to look at as well," Goodwin said.

 

[Nuwanda]

Won 3 in the last 9 attempts. Can you post me a picture of your preliminaryship t shirt please? I wanna see what it looks like. But, please stay cocky. I like it.

Just stating the facts. The last 2 games you have been comprehensively outplayed by the Pies. So not so sure we are 'shaking' in our boots when it comes to the Tigers as your mates suggest.

 

[Nuwanda]

One thing worse than losing a gf by under a kick would be losing one to us by 8 goals. Be afraid pies....be very afraid

yawn.....

 

[Black Saab]

As opposed to one GF and a handful of finals wins in over 35? Richmond has been a contender for about two years now. They've been the team to beat for one year and failed to cope with the pressure.

The current Tigers outfit has a fair bit to do to show that they'll ultimately have a better legacy than any of the other sides that have managed a single flag in the past decade and managed to stay in contention for several more seasons (Collingwood, Sydney, West Coast...I'll give you the Bulldogs at this stage). Let's see if Richmond manages any more flags in the next 3-5 years, or even if they remain in contention for that period before we get too carried away about where they sit in the pantheon.

It might just be a byproduct of living in Victoria, but the deference that Richmond seems to get in the media seems way out of proportion to, say, the reigning premier.

That's because we are in Victoria following a team with 98k members. Do you think the WA media are going on about Richmond over there?

What difference does it make about how many flags have been won? The Tigers won one and backed it up with a strong season last year. It is extremely difficult to win flags let alone finals. Following the Cats you should understand that probably better than almost anyone. Also Sydney supporters. Both Sydney and the Cats have almost never missed playing finals for a long time but the number of flags between them is still probably low compared to how many finals series they've both participated in. Not having a crack at either team just pointing out how obviously difficult it is to secure the holy grail.

I feel for Saints and Dockers supporters who got to the GF and left empty handed.

 

[captain cotch 9]

As an opposition supporter I loved Brayshaw on a wing. He is Melbournes best player imo and Melbourne could of dominated us around the ball if he was in there.
Hunt in the forward line is also quite funny as he looked a star off the HBF.
Patracca should be fit enough to play midfield now as well. If he isn’t melbournes fitness staff should be sacked

 

[HTT]

Was there another incident with Viney that might have given him some concussion, or is Goodwin suggesting the Stack bump might have had head contact?

MELBOURNE will send co-captain Jack Viney for scans on Thursday after he injured his right shoulder in a heavy hip and shoulder from Tiger Sydney Stack at the MCG on Wednesday night, coach Simon Goodwin says.
"He'll be an assessment tomorrow so we'll have to look at that shoulder and some concussion stuff that we'll have to look at as well," Goodwin said.

Even if there’s no contact the brain would’ve been rattled around a fair bit - still came to a very abrupt stop. Also might’ve hit the ground, though I haven’t watched it as much as I would’ve liked to. Wouldn’t be surprised if he copped a minor concussion

 

[Bazzar]

yawn.....

It's still a very funny yawn.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Was there another incident with Viney that might have given him some concussion, or is Goodwin suggesting the Stack bump might have had head contact?

MELBOURNE will send co-captain Jack Viney for scans on Thursday after he injured his right shoulder in a heavy hip and shoulder from Tiger Sydney Stack at the MCG on Wednesday night, coach Simon Goodwin says.
"He'll be an assessment tomorrow so we'll have to look at that shoulder and some concussion stuff that we'll have to look at as well," Goodwin said.

I though there was high contact but it was very much incidental as Viney collapsed under the collision.

I doubt it's a problem but if he was concussed they'll go over it with a fine toothed comb.

 

[zacaxel1975]

Even if there’s no contact the brain would’ve been rattled around a fair bit - still came to a very abrupt stop. Also might’ve hit the ground, though I haven’t watched it as much as I would’ve liked to. Wouldn’t be surprised if he copped a minor concussion

Thanks, that makes sense