Certified Legendary Thread 2 x Premiership Coach Chris Scott contracted to 2026 (aka the Chris Scott volumes

[God Mode]

They were a genuine chance this same time last year. In fact, they were a genuine chance this same time 2017 & 2016 seasons but we like to forget about how those years ended don't we.

That's an oversimplification. Anyone whose followed footy for more than 5 minutes and knows the team well understands we look to be playing better this year than any of those years.

 

[Spazz Cat]

CS said last night they were in full humility with that win. and we had luck go our way, but still that second quarter was the blueprint for 3 quarters. Do you expect us to win every week? Did you not rate the Dogs at all? They are capable of excellent quarters and had they not lost 2 players, would probably have won.
'To me, it's a reality check. We are hungry and desperate, and we have Danger and Hawkins. But we should not be flag favourites. There are better teams, but we are bridging that gap. Lesser lights have been shining this year. Let's give CS credit for getting the very best out of Rohan, Blicavs, Guthrie, Menegola. They are allowing Danger to store up energy for super cameo efforts like last night. Plus a fit Stanley is huge.

We're the best team easily IMO. Hardly any injuries as well.
Still have Ablett waiting around too.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Do you expect us to win every week?

No, but if we're looking for a flag this year, given our history and patterns that have arisen under Scott, it's not a good sign that we're conceding 40-point first-quarter losses against mediocre sides. Again, frame the performance in relation to what we are trying to do this year (win a flag, clearly) and in relation to what has happened in the recent past under Scott.

And it's funny how after just two weeks the perception of Geelong has fallen back down to "ah, just a group of plodders Scott is getting the best out of and we're not really as good as others". Seems the appraisal of the side has dropped off just a tad from where it was post wins over the Saints and Port.

 

[Catman]

The issue for Scott is that his team wasn't prepared well enough, and it took until quarter time for any effective changes to be made. Until that point it was a free for all for the Bulldogs. They walked all over us. And you might say that does happen to everyone, even the good teams, from time to time. For Geelong, however, it's something that has happened a lot, especially during the finals under him. Team gets jumped early, don't adjust quickly enough and the game is over in the first quarter. Like last night Geelong may play pretty well for the rest of the game, but it's very hard to overcome such significant.

Unprepared how? You can prepare tactically as much as you want, but if you don't execute or you aren't mentally switched on, it's irrelevant.

As it was, despite outplaying them considerably after quarter time, we just got past the Bulldogs when they had 2 players on the bench. The Bulldogs are a marginal top 8 side who have not been all that impressive against decent opposition this season. They are not a Richmond, Collingwood, WCE or Brisbane. That was not a final where the pressure would be even greater (mental and physical).

Just like were were two down against Brisbane, yet won, and won well?

 

[Vdubs]

No, but if we're looking for a flag this year, given our history and patterns that have arisen under Scott, it's not a good sign that we're conceding 40-point first-quarter losses against mediocre sides. Again, frame the performance in relation to what we are trying to do this year (win a flag, clearly) and in relation to what has happened in the recent past under Scott.

And it's funny how after just two weeks the perception of Geelong has fallen back down to "ah, just a group of plodders Scott is getting the best out of and we're not really as good as others". Seems the appraisal of the side has dropped off just a tad from where it was post wins over the Saints and Port.

As it should.
The big boys , pardon the partial pun, are Tigers, WCE and Pies historically. Lions also are up there, and we did beat them.
We have not beaten Pies, WCE, GWS or Tigers.
We should NOT be flag favourites. Sorry to dampen your optimism...?

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Just like were were two down against Brisbane, yet won, and won well?

What's your point? I don't understand which part of my post you're arguing against with this.

You're right, we did. Sides can win with a reduced bench. I never said they could not. That wasn't my point.

 

[Spazz Cat]

As it should.
The big boys , pardon the partial pun, are Tigers, WCE and Pies historically. Lions also are up there, and we did beat them.
We have not beaten Pies, WCE, GWS or Tigers.
We should NOT be flag favourites. Sorry to dampen your optimism...?

Bar from not being switched on like in the first qr last night, How do you beat us??
There will probably be David King etc articles coming out soon but I bet even they don't know.
We have unique players that noone else has.
Rohan even just manning the mark is an asset, noone like him.
Noone has a duo of Blitz and Menegola that can constantly run back to block space all game then run forward.
And a key forward that just dominates the ruck and sets up scoring opportunities like no other.
And is almost impossible to beat one on one.
I really think with these players and our game plan around them we are very very hard to beat.

 

[Overhang]

No, but if we're looking for a flag this year, given our history and patterns that have arisen under Scott, it's not a good sign that we're conceding 40-point first-quarter losses against mediocre sides. Again, frame the performance in relation to what we are trying to do this year (win a flag, clearly) and in relation to what has happened in the recent past under Scott.

Yes it is concerning that we were dominated in the 1st qtr and even after 3 quick goals from the Dogs we couldn't find away to slow the game down and play it on our terms. Aside from that the Dogs played the best qtr of any team this year, they were brilliant and pretty much everything that could go right did go right for them in that qtr. Conversely we were putrid, even the disposal when under little pressure was terrible, I don't think there is a way we could have played that qtr any worse.

Now having said that I think it says something when they come out a completely different team in the 2nd qtr, had more composure and were harder at the contest than the Dogs. I think it's a positive too that normally the way these games go for us is we either continue to get blown out of the park in the 2nd qtr and the game is over at half time or we are able to mount a bit of a comeback and win the contest for 2 1/2 qtrs but lose the game because the other side just needs beat us for 1/2 qtr to win the game which often happens. But that didn't happen last night, the Doggies didn't really get back into the game, we killed off a bit of a late surge of theirs in the last.

When the dogs are on they are a great side and can match most sides, they were on last night and we were able to completely switch the game around and play it on our terms.

 

[King Cat]

I said to my daughter at quarter time last night let’s see how good Chris Scott is here. Was really happy with how he coached last night. We were horrible in the first quarter. He and his staff identified the issues addressed them and executed. Very solid coaching performance. Sometime to u can say players are peaking and playing well headed to finals. I think coaches can do the same and ours seem to be coaching well for the pointy end.
As I say fully aware of our final record. Please change this year!!!


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[Down at K Park]

And our most recent 2 finals, we clearly won the first halves easily.
After our most recent 2 byes, we lost to GWS, but smashed Hawthorn.
There is no bye issue anymore. It's all about who we play and when. The opposition is never respected enough.

Rubbish. Historically we win most rnd 1 games. Game 2 vs hawks was basically rnd 1 all over again because it was a new season start. We still have not won a game after a mid season bye? Will be interesting to see how we go next week. Although its kinda not really a full bye. Just a 9 day break.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

If you wish to talk about last night's game, I suggest you and talk about it in the game-day thread and not in this one.

this is the Chris Scott thread, it’s for discussing scotts coaching on an ongoing basis. Which seems to be inconvenient for trolls like yourself when we win games

 

[Frappe]

As it should.
The big boys , pardon the partial pun, are Tigers, WCE and Pies historically. Lions also are up there, and we did beat them.
We have not beaten Pies, WCE, GWS or Tigers.
We should NOT be flag favourites. Sorry to dampen your optimism...?

We have every right to be optimistic at this stage - that doesn't mean we have the be flag favourites - but certainly shorter odds than all but the Tigers from the list you've provided.

 

[My Tilly]

Bar from not being switched on like in the first qr last night, How do you beat us??

It's very simple.
You crash and bash and you target players in our side who shy away form the physicality. It happens every single final we play.
That first week, whoever it is we play, they will know this.
We can only hope we face a similar side who don't like the rough stuff. Are easily put off their game when antagonized and roughed up. A team like Brisbane would be a very good opponent for us.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

No, but if we're looking for a flag this year, given our history and patterns that have arisen under Scott, it's not a good sign that we're conceding 40-point first-quarter losses against mediocre sides. Again, frame the performance in relation to what we are trying to do this year (win a flag, clearly) and in relation to what has happened in the recent past under Scott.

And it's funny how after just two weeks the perception of Geelong has fallen back down to "ah, just a group of plodders Scott is getting the best out of and we're not really as good as others". Seems the appraisal of the side has dropped off just a tad from where it was post wins over the Saints and Port.

since when are top 8 sides considered mediocre???

anything to suit a troll like agenda will be pushed forward I guess

 

[MacStradbroke]

Yes but can he take his own list to a grand final and not one which was built from the ground up by Mark Thompson. That's the question.

So the coaches build the list now, interested to hear Stephen Wells’ thoughts on this.

 

[PhatBoy]

If you dismiss being terribly outcoached in the first qtr then scotts coaching performance was amazing. Best ever coached game.

Oh well in that case it’s not worth enjoying or celebrating then.

itsbthe same reason every time Kolkata 2001 gets discussed by Indian cricket fans that most of them are quick to point out ‘hang on we can’t look back in it fondly because for Dravid and Laxman and Singh to win us that game so miraculously we had to play like dogs*** for the first two and a half days.’

 

[Landgraft]

That's an oversimplification. Anyone whose followed footy for more than 5 minutes and knows the team well understands we look to be playing better this year than any of those years.

We have been a "genuine" chance every year we make finals. Some years the chance is better, other times not so much.

To look at a season where team X wins in the end and conclude that other teams definitively weren't as good as them or didn't stand a chance or whatever is self-delusion. No team would enter any season with a more than even chance of becoming premiers, there are way too many variables.

 

[Spazz Cat]

It's very simple.
You crash and bash and you target players in our side who shy away form the physicality. It happens every single final we play.
That first week, whoever it is we play, they will know this.
We can only hope we face a similar side who don't like the rough stuff. Are easily put off their game when antagonized and roughed up. A team like Brisbane would be a very good opponent for us.

Yeah maybe. Hard to put physical pressure on when the ball isn't in play though cause we're chipping and marking constantly.
Dunno if it's the physical pressure that's bought us undone for years
Some players just lose it and can't mark, kick or handball under zero pressure.
More mentally undone on the big occasion.
With small crowds this year, less noise there's a fair chance we'll be way better.

 

[Spazz Cat]

So the coaches build the list now, interested to hear Stephen Wells’ thoughts on this.

Reading the books from the players from that era, Bomber had a fair bit to do with recruiting players and building that list.
Read a thing about Choco Williams too and he had a massive input.
Same with Clarkson pre 2008. He devised a kicking test that most draftees had to meet or the recruiter couldn't pick them.
Even now all coaches would have at least some input.

 

[MacStradbroke]

Reading the books from the players from that era, Bomber had a fair bit to do with recruiting players and building that list.
Read a thing about Choco Williams too and he had a massive input.
Same with Clarkson pre 2008. He devised a kicking test that most draftees had to meet or the recruiter couldn't pick them.
Even now all coaches would have at least some input.

If Chris Scott is over the 200+ possible draftees every year then he is a friggin genius who never sleeps. Recruiting I’m sure he would have input to though.

 

[Spazz Cat]

If Chris Scott is over the 200+ possible draftees every year then he is a friggin genius who never sleeps.

As if he would be. Which is why I said at least some input, instead of saying he is all over 200+ draftees and never sleeps.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Reading the books from the players from that era, Bomber had a fair bit to do with recruiting players and building that list.
Read a thing about Choco Williams too and he had a massive input.
Same with Clarkson pre 2008. He devised a kicking test that most draftees had to meet or the recruiter couldn't pick them.
Even now all coaches would have at least some input.

clarkson has publicly said he lets he let’s his recruiters pick the players. I think your getting confused The general input a coach gives as to what sort of players they think are needed required etc. they don’t have time to literally get involved in the process and selection And tell the recruiters who to pick. I think your getting the wrong idea

 

[Spazz Cat]

clarkson has publicly said he lets he let’s his recruiters pick the players. I think your getting confused The general input a coach gives as to what sort of players they think are needed required etc. they don’t have time to literally get involved in the process and selection And tell the recruiters who to pick. I think your getting the wrong idea

Yeah and that is why I said he devised the tests for the recruiters, and never said he recruited them himself.
Also this was back when he first started too.
Even in a relatively short time of 15-20 years coaching has changed quite a lot.

 

[Vdubs]

Imagine being that obsessed with the past that you can't enjoy the present.

None of us are happy about how we've performed in the finals over recent seasons. But what good does it to continue to harp on about it? Each season is different, the players are different, the circumstances are different. Enjoy and appreciate watching PFD at his peak, enjoy watching the development of Mark O'Connor from raw Irish recruit, afraid to kick the ball, to ultra-consistent and reliable defender with excellent skills on both sides of his body. Enjoy the career season Tom Hawkins is having. Enjoy the manic attack on the man and ball of Gary Rohan. Enjoy the elevation of Cam Guthrie from an inconsistent tease to a bonafide A-grade midfielder.

If you can't enjoy watching side currently sitting on top of the ladder, heading for their 13th finals series from the past 14 years, full of players apparently too old, written off each season only to prove their many detractors wrong, then maybe it's time to give the game away.

Great post.
People who can't enjoy the wins because there may be a finals loss are just plain pampered.
CS , Selwood, GAJ, Danger et al are desperate for success this year. Way more than us supporters could imagine. They are doing the hard work, the time in hubs, the unfamiliar training regimes, the sacrifices.
It is exasperating that posters can still dredge up these complaints. I keep thinking what will they be like if we ever do slide. In an unprecedented Covid year, it is unprecedented that we are again in contention. 13 years. We are a curse to other teams supporters.

 

[Seeds]

since when are top 8 sides considered mediocre???

anything to suit a troll like agenda will be pushed forward I guess

Mediocre means average. I would of thought its fair to rank teams 6-12 as mediocre.