Imagine Franklin playing in the 80s and 90s when football was more open, higher scoring and individuals often kicked 100. Would have been a sight to see.
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Imagine Franklin playing in the 80s and 90s when football was more open, higher scoring and individuals often kicked 100. Would have been a sight to see.
Or he would have weighed 140 kilos.
Imagine Hudson in 2021 when even touching a forward gets a free kick and any contact in a marking content gets a free kick, plus, his knee reco would have meant 1 season out of football, not 6 seasons out of football. And he wouldnt have been concussed half a dozen times a year from talentless flog defenders punching him in the head.
I personally see Buddy as the best player of this era.
I know others will say "Well that is Gary Ablett Jnr" and they would have a reasonable case, I would argue that the gap between Ablett Jnr and the likes of Judd, or perhaps Martin is not that great in the grand scheme of things. If you missed out on Ablett and had Judd you would not exactly be upset. Buddy though, he wasn't just the best key forward of the era, he was easily the best key forward of the era. If you had to settle for the second or third best key forward of the era then that really is a step down on Buddy's quality.
Yes and YesBetter than Dustin Martin?
Not untrue but that doesn’t make someone a better player. It isn’t ablett’s fault that there are other good midfielders. Say hypothetically that Federer was still a few slams ahead of Nadal and Djokovic - it would be unfair when comparing him to say, Tiger Woods, to say ‘well if you missed Federer but invested in Nadal you wouldn’t be upset. The gap between Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson is far far greater. That alone wouldn’t make Woods the better individual sportsman it would just make him more dominant.
I like what you're saying, but the way I'm approaching the topic is that if you were picking a couple of rival teams from 2000-2021 (as an arbitrary timeframe for the exercise), and you had first pick there's two obvious Pick 1s, and then a lot of quality from then on. Neither GAJ or Buddy are a "wrong" pick, but if I had the first pick I'd go Buddy. Not just from personal bias for the first half of his career, but I feel the opportunity lost by picking GAJ first is greater than that from picking Buddy. You will still find an elite mid, maybe even an all-time one (Dusty, Judd), by letting the other guy pick GAJ, but the gap between Buddy and the next best forward is so much greater that looking at it this way you'd lose out by not picking him first.
Again, this doesn't mean either one of the two is "better" than the other; both should become legends in the HOF. It's just that considering the greater opportunity lost when comparing the value of one player to another, due entirely to playing position, I have Buddy as more valuable.
Get what you're saying, but take it you're assuming Sangkara can't be picked as a wicketkeeper?No I agree with that too and to use another sporting analogy I’d pick Adam Gilchrist before I pick any other player in a world cricket XI because he’s so much better than the next best keeper batsman BUT it doesn’t make him a better player than, say, Jacques Kallis or Steve Smith Or Warner or Steyn or AB De Villiers who all have counterparts that are at least in the same hemisphere as they are.
Get what you're saying, but take it you're assuming Sangkara can't be picked as a wicketkeeper?
Btw I wrote Warney in my previous post and it auto corrected to Warner (yuk)
Sanga’s record as keeper wasn’t as good anyway.
De Villiers actually averaged 57 with the bat during the 25-30 games in which he kept.
I haven't read all the posts on here but one point is how unique Buddy was as a footballer. We will get another player in the ilk of Ablett Jr, Judd or even Dusty. If Buddy marked the ball 70m out on the half forward flank you knew you were dead.
Is this the greatest highlight package of any player in history?
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İt's actually sad that we most likely won't see anyone remotely close to this.
Come down to a Masters game and you'll see me resemble those remarks. If by athletic you mean hobbling around, and if you mean kicking goals from a long way out, you mean kicking the ball 25m and not kicking goals.You don't think we'll see a player who's reasonably tall, athletic and can kick goals from a long way out?
chose to play in tassie,so its slightly misleading that he missed 6 seasons as you say of vfl and implying he could of been anythin,because he didnt miss 6 seasons...i agree that Hudson was a champion of the time but you dont mind blowing some smoke n mirrors when it comes to his careerOr he would have weighed 140 kilos.
Imagine Hudson in 2021 when even touching a forward gets a free kick and any contact in a marking content gets a free kick, plus, his knee reco would have meant 1 season out of football, not 6 seasons out of football. And he wouldnt have been concussed half a dozen times a year from talentless flog defenders punching him in the head.
lol,its an insult to even mention Sam Mitchell in the same breath as Buddy,you shoud wash your mouth out,its like saying as an exampleHard one.
In 2008 when people were suggesting Buddy was the best player in the game, I would say that he is not even the best (Mitchell) or even the second best (Hodge) player at Hawthorn. I have Sam Mitchell as the best Hawk since Dunstall, so hard to have Buddy as one of the all time AFL greats. At Hawthorn most would have him behind Matthews, Hudson and Dunstall at least. 20 - 30 of all time.