Review Good/Bad vs Melbourne, R16 2022

[Southerntakeover]

I wouldn't. 21 handballs and 20 kicks tells you he hasn't learnt.

I want 3 games of more kicks than handballs. Especially the handballs he makes

Why? He's an awful kick

 

[CrowFrenzy]

Crouch played bloody good footy today. If he can replicate that in the firsts, you’d have him every day.

I feel for Crouch. I hope he gets a gig at another club. He's too good a player to be playing SANFL but we should not be playing him at the expense of the development of a youngster.

 

[DJ75]

Not Hately's fault, but he provides nothing close to the damaging play that we need from a wingman

Really need to find some Langdon-like outside class this off-season

We have it. We like to play him at full back

 

[jenny61_99]

He just doesn’t two way defend and just coasts to the next stoppage if we normally turn it over. As much as he gets it in the stoppage area he’s a liability elsewhere on spread. The games gone past him.

Up until this game I’d agree. But I saw a much better run from him today both ways.

 

[1970crow]

Crouch played bloody good footy today. If he can replicate that in the firsts, you’d have him every day.

He does replicate that in the firsts. Like his bro after a year off with groin injury, he might return to his previous physical condition. But this year it won’t be. He’s as pedestrian at the highest level as is possible. We list today, but we’d have lost by more if Matt had played.

 

[ABAB]

Good effort. Thought the final score flattered Melbourne a bit.

Thought most of our guys had a fair crack. Walker, Soligo and Dawson were standouts for mine.

Keays and Laird crack in but they put a low ceiling over the potential of this side with their terrible footskills.

Hately should not be playing on a wing, not fast or skilled enough for that role.

Of the real negatives, Murph was an empty jumper. He's a talentless hack. An absolute scrub of a player. Jones cost us dearly with his mistakes. Rachele didn't do much but at least he kicked a goal. Some of Murray's work in the air was very poor. He needs to learn to not let it get behind him. Cost us 2 or 3 goals doing that.

Same as last week when GCS kicked 3-4 goals in 5 minute to win by 6 goals. We clearly have 5-10 minutes lapse in quarter were the opposition kill us which is understandable for a young and developing team.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Thilthorpe still worries me

Absolutely not making it

 

[thebirdman 24]

Up until this game I’d agree. But I saw a much better run from him today both ways.

Crouch should only play if Keays or Laird do not.

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[Cap]

Why? He's an awful kick

Solid point

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Wouldn't midfield expose the same traits. We just offloaded crouch because he can't kick.

No , he’s more an inside ball winner giving to outside . He hasn’t got speed or kick for outside

Did you watch him play inside those weeks he did ? They’re his best games

 

[jenny61_99]

He does replicate that in the firsts. Like his bro after a year off with groin injury, he might return to his previous physical condition. But this year it won’t be. He’s as pedestrian at the highest level as is possible. We list today, but we’d have lost by more if Matt had played.

For sure, based on his output from previous couple of weeks. But if he could have done what he did in the twos today in the firsts, who knows? Look I’m not saying all is forgiven, because he has been putrid. But maybe, just maybe, he’s turned the corner?

 

[Mutineer]

Didnt newchurch get blanketed today in the sanfl ?

He got destroyed by Alex Martini who wore him like a glove.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Crouch played bloody good footy today. If he can replicate that in the firsts, you’d have him every day.

He doesn't replicate it. Thats why he's in the SANFL. I dont care if he gets 80 disposals as his effective disposals would be around 5.

 

[Danger in Texas]

We have it. We like to play him at full back

Even beyond the sarcasm, we need more than Dawson (and Soligo, who we need to rotate between wing/inside)

Milera could be that guy, wouldn't mind some pure speed in the mix as well

 

[jenny61_99]

Crouch should only play if Keays or Laird do not.

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Yep, don’t disagree with that.

 

[jenny61_99]

He doesn't replicate it. Thats why he's in the SANFL. I dont care if he gets 80 disposals as his effective disposals would be around 5.

Not this week.

 

[cleanhands]

Absolutely not making it

Givenwhat I’m seeing it is a concern

 

[MrBarry]

He got destroyed by Alex Martini who wore him like a glove.

Don't really care tbh, I want to see what he can do at AFL level.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Cook.

Still far from a sure thing, but wouldn't mind seeing him at AFL level again soon

 

[Danger in Texas]

Absolutely not making it

What in the impatient

 

[ABAB]

What worries you? He's 19 and played 20 games and looks great below his knees and has skills.

Will be a deadset gun in 3 years.

Like Fogarty he had an almost game, was clean in the ruck and pressure well for a 200cm player but clearly was spent in the 4th quarter.

 

[1970crow]

The O'Brien/Laird partnership is 3rd in the AFL for clearances but they are obviously ignoring effective clearances.

In AFL stats world, ‘effective’ is getting a disposal to a contest. So our MO of kicking long and high to a contest is equally as ‘effective’ as streaming forward beyond pressure and lacing out a teammate. Both those disposals are statistically counted as effective. There’s no relative qualitative element of the effective stat.

 

[Brenton Davy]

He unfortunately put 36 to Melbourne's advantage.

That’s not all on RoB. There were a huge number of 50/50 taps that the Dees mids just ripped away with sheer strength.

 

[pjcrows]

Newchurch shows signs. "He's not ready".
Newchurch electric speed as a point of difference. "He's not ready".
Newchurch kicks 2 and gets involved. "He's not ready".
Newchurch kicks 3 and continues to build, explosive speed obvious. "He's not ready".
Newchurch kicks 4 and is the best forward on the ground, deserves a call up. "He's not ready".
Newchurch plays poorly. "See, we told you he's not ready".

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Our value from winning hit outs is non existent. As I posted prior to the game, without an opposing ruckman, we’d dominate hit outs but break even at clearances. And then there’s the quality differential where ours are territory gaining kicks from the pressure area whereas our opponents run out clear of pressure with ball in hand.

But as a fundamental philosophy, we don’t connect ROB’s hitout dominance with the fact we broke even at the stoppage. And we then wilfully ignore the quality component of the raw statistic.

So our coaching group ticks off ROB for hitout dominance, ticks off the mids for breaking even at clearances against the league’s best and then pats themselves on the back for a great midfield coaching event.

But reality is that there remains a massive coaching issue with how we approach the stoppage contest. Melbourne can overcook a handball to the snoz of a teammate and still end up running forward of our pressure because they overlap run within the contest. We have no idea how to generate run from a stoppage and it’s been the same for years.

We just came up against the best of the best stoppage players in the comp and pretty much broke even

Langdon walloped us on outside

If we didn’t win hit outs we would have got beaten by a fair ebut more

Melb won the flag off the back off that and you think we should go out and toy with them with the guys we’ve got on there ?

We don’t have players like petracca and Oliver that power out of stoppage , they’re 2 of the best 4 in comp

Given how son people in here rate our mids you’d expect them to beat us by 15-25 goals

We did well to do what we did in there , Langdon hurt us big time on outside