List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

[Scythe]

Seems a good time to pin this:


OOC players:

• Michael Hibberd (retired)
• Deakyn Smith (delisted)
• Andy Moniz-Wakefield
• Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
• Luke Dunstan (retired)
• James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
• Kye Turner (delisted)

Traded out:

• James Harmes (Bulldogs)
• Brodie Grundy (Sydney)

Traded in:

• Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
• Jack Billings (St Kilda)
• Shane McAdam (Adelaide)

Drafted:

• Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
• Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
• Kynan Brown (Rookie)

 

[dazzledavey36]

Trading Oliver.

I think I can see both sides. There's an element there that we got our midfield mix really settled which made us unpredictable at times. When Oliver came back into the team I thought Sparrow and Vineys form dropped a bit purely because we simply had to fit Clayton in there somewhere.

Then there was the bombing inside 50 come finals especially against Colling where Oliver was one of the biggest culprits and has been for majority of his career. It's cost us games and finals.

Then there's the fact that he's only just turned 26 and he's now coming towards peak of his career where we'll see some enormous upside from here on and it keeps our midfield strength at bay.

I'm a big believer that you always have to look at ways to regenerate your list whilst also contending. Examples I can think of are GWS last year with Tarranto and Hopper and Geelong and Hawthorn with Gary Ablett Jnr and buddy Franklin when both Hawthorn and Geelong went on to win the flag the following year. So there is a positive effect to this.

If you were to trade him, your starting point is two top 10 picks imo. Imagine getting McKercher, Duursma/Sanders and O'Sullivan in one go....

 

[Topkent]

If you were to trade him, your starting point is two top 10 picks imo. Imagine getting McKercher, Duursma/Sanders and O'Sullivan in one go....

An this is the point. I don't think this group wins another flag without change. Now maybe those 3 kids bust, but if they hit we are a hell of a lot closer to a flag

 

[Lord Nev]

Just gonna leave this here.

Tim Lamb:

"Clayton is an elite midfielder who has shown incredible consistency over his career, highlighted by the three Bluey Truscott Trophies already to his name. He is loved and respected by his teammates and coaches and is a key pillar of our ambitions to achieve sustained success.

"Clarry’s ability to perform at an extremely high level week after week is a direct reflection of the amount of work and effort he puts into his training. His training standards are reflected in his performance come game time.

"At only 24 years of age, we are excited to see what Clayton can achieve in the future and we know our members and supporters will love watching him perform in the red and blue for the rest of his career."

Doesn't sound like trade bait to me.

 

[danster168]

Why trade Oliver before Petracca? Oliver is better than Petracca anyway. Thats pretty clear. 4 bnf's to only 1. And Petracca is probably a worse kick than Oliver too.

Imagine judging Oliver on form after coming off a 10 week injury

I'm gonna kick off Petracca from Ben King

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Ben King

Age

25

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202cm

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98kg

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Career

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7.2

2star

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5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

then.

 

[Crusty Demon]

The idea of trading Oliver is baffling. He's going to go down as one of the greatest dees players of all time, if not the best and we're trading him why? because he has currency?

You don't trade your best player, that's not how to make your team better. Also, what's with the talk of Sanders? He's a pure accumulator, he lacks hurt factor, he's a poor handballer that puts his team-mates under pressure and he lacks footy IQ. It's a strong no from me.

Unreal isn't it. Ablett, Buddy, Tim Kelly, Judd, Danger etc all left the club to either chase money or go home. How do you think it would go over with the playing group or supporter base if the Superstar on your team got 'forced' out! Culture would be shot to s*. Oliver is mates with most of our core group of stars. He's gonna break records for contested possessions and clearances etc. Dees haven't had the likes of Trac or Oliver on their list for 6 decades and people wanna trade him for picks!?

If Oliver wants out, then fine, go get the picks or players we need. Otherwise, he stays. Simple. We've already got $$ and draft capital good enough to do something decent. Maybe trade Salem? Langdon? Sparrow? Blokes who would bring in some interest and decent enough draft capital and who aren't integral to the sides chances instead of trading away a superstar.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Why trade Oliver before Petracca? Oliver is better than Petracca anyway. Thats pretty clear. 4 bnf's to only 1. And Petracca is probably a worse kick than Oliver too.

Imagine judging Oliver on form after coming off a 10 week injury

I'm gonna kick off Petracca from Ben King then.

Coz Trac proved he isn't one dimensional this year when he went forward and was able to kick goals. Unlike Oliver. Give me that flexibility and the ability to rotate more guys thru the midfield any day.

 

[danster168]

Unreal isn't it. Ablett, Buddy, Tim Kelly, Judd, Danger etc all left the club to either chase money or go home. How do you think it would go over with the playing group or supporter base if the Superstar on your team got 'forced' out! Culture would be shot to s*. Oliver is mates with most of our core group of stars. He's gonna break records for contested possessions and clearances etc. Dees haven't had the likes of Trac or Oliver on their list for 6 decades and people wanna trade him for picks!?

If Oliver wants out, then fine, go get the picks or players we need. Otherwise, he stays. Simple. We've already got $$ and draft capital good enough to do something decent. Maybe trade Salem? Langdon? Sparrow? Blokes who would bring in some interest and decent enough draft capital and who aren't integral to the sides chances instead of trading away a superstar.

100% agree. It's one of the dumbest things I've read. The competition has become a superstar league. Clubs froth over having a superstar. That's why we offered 3 first rounders for Bailey Humphrey because we believe he will be a star.

You don't do the reverse and trade your stars. Let alone for players that aren't stars.lol. like what!

Ben King isn't a star of the game. He is a promising young player with a significant injury history and who has had big fluctuations in form

 

[Lord Nev]

Coz Trac proved he isn't one dimensional this year when he went forward and was able to kick goals. Unlike Oliver. Give me that flexibility and the ability to rotate more guys thru the midfield any day.

You could also make the argument that having Oliver back in would mean Trac could then spend more time forward.

Unless you think Viney, Gus, Sparrow, Woewodin and AMW is a premiership winning midfield?

 

[I Love Lamb]

I'll happily walk this back if we have some crazy surprise in store, but the lions and pies are in a GF and are both chasing Doedee to strengthen their defence, meanwhile we are after McAdam. Either we've ****ed up our salary cap something horrific or we also believe our list perfect already like some

I called this last year and got shot down when Brisbane brought in Dunkley, Gunston, Ashcroft, McKenna and Collingwood Hill, Mcstay, Mitchell.

Now we see an article from Ralph about our focus being on our priority being getting a 2nd rounder for Grundy.

Dead set if our priority is chasing a pick in the 30s over fixing our forwardline or having no classy mids then we will be lucky to make the 8 next year.

 

[Topkent]

Never heard a stranger made up term than superstar league. The AFL has clearly moved in the complete opposite direction of a superstar league it's about 22 role players and curbing people's natural ability to conform to team needs

 

[I Love Lamb]

Just gonna leave this here.

Tim Lamb:

"Clayton is an elite midfielder who has shown incredible consistency over his career, highlighted by the three Bluey Truscott Trophies already to his name. He is loved and respected by his teammates and coaches and is a key pillar of our ambitions to achieve sustained success.

"Clarry’s ability to perform at an extremely high level week after week is a direct reflection of the amount of work and effort he puts into his training. His training standards are reflected in his performance come game time.

"At only 24 years of age, we are excited to see what Clayton can achieve in the future and we know our members and supporters will love watching him perform in the red and blue for the rest of his career."

Doesn't sound like trade bait to me.

This is 2 years old, probably before our 2x straight set exits from inside 50 bombing.

If we don’t want to change things up we can expect more.

 

[dazzledavey36]

Why trade Oliver before Petracca? Oliver is better than Petracca anyway. Thats pretty clear. 4 bnf's to only 1. And Petracca is probably a worse kick than Oliver too.

Imagine judging Oliver on form after coming off a 10 week injury

I'm gonna kick off Petracca from Ben King then.

No, he's not.

 

[danster168]

This is 2 years old, probably before our 2x straight set exits from inside 50 bombing.

If we don’t want to change things up we can expect more.

Why trade Oliver before Petracca?

 

[danster168]

No, he's not.

Bnf's speak for themselves. Clearly the coaches rate him higher. And rightly so. He is better. A comfortably better midfielder

 

[Bluelegs]

You could also make the argument that having Oliver back in would mean Trac could then spend more time forward.

Unless you think Viney, Gus, Sparrow, Woewodin and AMW is a premiership winning midfield?

If we actually traded Oliver that wouldn't be our midfield.

Can the people who can't get passed the idea of trading Oliver follow the actual argument being made? Jesus Christ this is so tedious to have to re-explain this stuff to people who can't keep up with a simple point.

No one is suggesting this will actually happen. No one is suggesting we should trade him for nothing.

Put it this way, if Oliver asked for a trade tomorrow what would you accept for him? Would you continue to pursue a flag or would you just decide that we are so lost without Oliver that we might as well rebuild?

 

[Bluelegs]

Why trade Oliver before Petracca?

Because Oliver, Viney, and Brayshaw are all the same type of midfielder. Petracca is the only one who adds something different.

 

[Lord Nev]

This is 2 years old, probably before our 2x straight set exits from inside 50 bombing.

If we don’t want to change things up we can expect more.

It's a pretty definitive statement on where our list manager sees Oliver in terms of importance.

 

[I Love Lamb]

Why trade Oliver before Petracca?

Because one can play forward, an area of weakness and one cannot.

 

[Tulip]

This place is so toxic these days. Not difficult to understand why only about six people bother posting.

 

[Lord Nev]

If we actually traded Oliver that wouldn't be our midfield.

Can the people who can't get passed the idea of trading Oliver follow the actual argument being made? Jesus Christ this is so tedious to have to re-explain this stuff to people who can't keep up with a simple point.

No one is suggesting this will actually happen. No one is suggesting we should trade him for nothing.

Put it this way, if Oliver asked for a trade tomorrow what would you accept for him? Would you continue to pursue a flag or would you just decide that we are so lost without Oliver that we might as well rebuild?

Who exactly would our midfield be then, and how will their future pan out better than Oliver's 4 Blueys? I think perhaps in your rush to push this narrative you've missed the point that you'd be trading out a proven star, one of our best ever players, for a draft gamble or two. If you can't name exactly who replaces him and how their career will pan out definitively then you're taking risks that clearly our list manager would not consider for 1 second.

There's certainly a lot of posts by your and your mates for something that will never actually happen.

Oliver is signed until he's 33, you reckon he's close to requesting a trade?

Should we go through our entire list and the trade scenarios around them or is this just an Oliver thing that the logic applies to?

 

[I Love Lamb]

It's a pretty definitive statement on where our list manager sees Oliver in terms of importance.

This was 2 years ago. We were saying Grundy was a required player just a few months ago and look where that’s gone.

Things change and if 2x straight set exits don’t trigger change then I am unsure what will.

 

[Lord Nev]

This was 2 years ago. We were saying Grundy was a required player just a few months ago and look where that’s gone.

Things change and if 2x straight set exits don’t trigger change then I am unsure what will.

Please quote me where Tim lamb said "Grundy is a key pillar of our future success"....

 

[I Love Lamb]

Please quote me where Tim lamb said "Grundy is a key pillar of our future success"....

Club said they love him and is a required player. You’re grasping at straws if you think that if the exact same quote wasn’t used as 2 years ago it has a completely different meaning.

 

[I Love Lamb]

Who exactly would our midfield be then, and how will their future pan out better than Oliver's 4 Blueys? I think perhaps in your rush to push this narrative you've missed the point that you'd be trading out a proven star, one of our best ever players, for a draft gamble or two. If you can't name exactly who replaces him and how their career will pan out definitively then you're taking risks that clearly our list manager would not consider for 1 second.

There's certainly a lot of posts by your and your mates for something that will never actually happen.

Oliver is signed until he's 33, you reckon he's close to requesting a trade?

Should we go through our entire list and the trade scenarios around them or is this just an Oliver thing that the logic applies to?

You are to focussed on individual accolades and missing the big picture which is team premierships.

Doesn’t change anything if Oliver wins 10 bnF, brownlows and AAs if we don’t win flags for all I care.

 

[Topkent]

This place is so toxic these days. Not difficult to understand why only about six people bother posting.

How is this post getting a like from a bloke who's never seen this place before until this year, an is one of the main reasons for the toxicity?