List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

[Scythe]

Seems a good time to pin this:


OOC players:

• Michael Hibberd (retired)
• Deakyn Smith (delisted)
• Andy Moniz-Wakefield
• Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
• Luke Dunstan (retired)
• James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
• Kye Turner (delisted)

Traded out:

• James Harmes (Bulldogs)
• Brodie Grundy (Sydney)

Traded in:

• Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
• Jack Billings (St Kilda)
• Shane McAdam (Adelaide)

Drafted:

• Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
• Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
• Kynan Brown (Rookie)

 

[MarcMaverick]

Don’t get me wrong, I rate Windsor. Just not at pick 6. Top end of draft is for your future stars who can lead your club forward and play high impact positions/roles.

We picked up decent wingmen with a pair of F3rds for Billings and Hunter. We don’t need to be burning a pick 6 for someone to play this role.

With Langdon/Hunter/Billings/Brayshaw/Woewodon and Howes all capable of playing the wing, seems bizarre it is the are we want to invest further into.

But you don't burn your first pick on a fringe mid. First picks are for KPPs or a freakishly good mid like Harley Reid/Zane Duursma/Colby McKercher. Windsor or Tholstrup ain't it.

Go for Curtin or O'Connell for the first pick. Even a Sam Van Rooyen.

 

[I Love Lamb]

Jordon played his best footy on the wing, Dunstan barely got a game, Laurie was drafted as a half forward, Sparrow hasn't been able to develop as a starting inside mid cause we play the same old ahead of him at centre bounces so we shoehorn him in as a half forward.

Hardly indisputable proof of the need for another inside mid Mich0

That’s because they were/are trash as inside mids, which is exactly my point.

We need to be thinking beyond our current crop, especially with Tassie coming into the comp soon when we are likely to bottom out. If we don’t bring in new crop of inside mids we are cooked in 5 years.

 

[PerfectFooty]

I feel like we went from the Bailey era of drafting Athletes that couldn't get the footy, to drafting footballers that butcher the footy

 

[I Love Lamb]

But you don't burn your first pick on a fringe mid. First picks are for KPPs or a freakishly good mid like Harley Reid/Zane Duursma/Colby McKercher. Windsor or Tholstrup ain't it.

Go for Curtin or O'Connell for the first pick.

Sanders won’t be fringe, he will go straight in and let Trac more up forward. That’s considering both Brayshaw and Oliver are also both right to go which also has question marks.

 

[Lord Nev]

Not necessarily. Whilst it is true that A graders are needed ultimately it is the grit and sandpaper players that are at times the more valuable.

E.G. Nick Reiwoldt needs a Fraser Gherig more than the G-train needs Rooey.

My point is, IMO our under 21s are pretty set for B graders, solid depth types etc, but we lack in the top quality under 21 demographic, especially in the midfield if we're being honest.

We have plenty of 'grit and sandpaper' types.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Sanders won’t be fringe, he will go straight in and let Trac more up forward. That’s considering both Brayshaw and Oliver are also both right to go which also has question marks.

You can rotate Pickett and Rivers through the mids in that case.

 

[I Love Lamb]

But you don't burn your first pick on a fringe mid. First picks are for KPPs or a freakishly good mid like Harley Reid/Zane Duursma/Colby McKercher. Windsor or Tholstrup ain't it.

Go for Curtin or O'Connell for the first pick. Even a Sam Van Rooyen.

That’s my point. You don’t use a pick 6 to play at Casey behind Billings/Langdon/Hunter/Woewodin

Leaders in the guts, KPP or mercurial forwards is what we should be looking for with top picks. Not blokes to sit at Casey behind other blokes playing roles which we just filled with future 3rd rounders.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

That’s because they were/are trash as inside mids, which is exactly my point.

We need to be thinking beyond our current crop, especially with Tassie coming into the comp soon when we are likely to bottom out. If we don’t bring in new crop of inside mids we are cooked in 5 years.

I'm sick of playing Melbourne football, I want to play exciting football. Getting more inside mids means its more of the former. A million hack kicks inside 50s for 7.15

Give me guys who can run and carry and hit targets.

 

[Lord Nev]

Don’t get me wrong, I rate Windsor. Just not at pick 6. Top end of draft is for your future stars who can lead your club forward and play high impact positions/roles.

We picked up decent wingmen with a pair of F3rds for Billings and Hunter. We don’t need to be burning a pick 6 for someone to play this role.

With Langdon/Hunter/Billings/Brayshaw/Woewodon and Howes all capable of playing the wing, seems bizarre it is the are we want to invest further into. We will just end up with more redundant blokes out at Casey to go along with Tmac / BBB and Shache as list cloggers.

Best available this year. If it's Windsor, then I'm happy enough.

Billings? Speculative at best. Bargain pickup, and happy for it, but hardly putting him in the category where we're expecting him to be in the 23.

Hunter turns 29 next month and I thought he was pretty underwhelming in the later parts of the year.

Would wager Gus won't be playing any midfield or wing now, he'll play in the backline where he can see what's ahead of him IMO.

Woewodin and Howes I both like, but you're making my point there in that we don't have any A graders.

Not interested in you fishing around to try and bring up TMac, BBB etc again.

 

[Lord Nev]

That’s my point. You don’t use a pick 6 to play at Casey behind Billings/Langdon/Hunter/Woewodin

Hahahaha as if Windsor, should we pick him, would be behind any of those players, let alone all of them.

 

[I Love Lamb]

Hahahaha as if Windsor, should we pick him, would be behind any of those players, let alone all of them.

You are going to be disappointed when Goodwin selects his favorites week in week out and Windsor runs around in a random backline position at Casey (because Woewodin and Howes will be on the wing out there).

With Viney 30, Petracca playing up forward and Brayshaw down back, we have **** all midfield depth and that’s if Oliver is fit. Need some up and coming midfield leaders/stars. (Sanders/Curtin/Leake).

 

[Lord Nev]

You are going to be disappointed when Goodwin selects his favorites week in week out and Windsor runs around in a random backline position at Casey (because Woewodin and Howes will be on the wing out there).

No I won't, because that's not what will happen.

Sorry everyone for getting sucked into replying to these ridiculous posts, I'll stop myself now.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

And as Ive said previously, I don't know why you think Windsor would be stuck at Casey, he could easily play half back or half forward IF we wanted to keep Langdon and Hunter on the wings.

He doesn't play a position/role that needs developing. If you can run and kick you're good to go, you don't need to be 90 kegs and a barrel chest.

 

[I Love Lamb]

And as Ive said previously, I don't know why you think Windsor would be stuck at Casey, he could easily play half back or half forward IF we wanted to keep Langdon and Hunter on the wings.

He doesn't play a position/role that needs developing. If you can run and kick you're good to go, you don't need to be 90 kegs and a barrel chest.

Need to agree to disagree on this.

Unless Windsor can eventually go in the guts I think it’s too high of a pick to spend on an outside role player. Type of player Predagast would stretch for.

I rate him as a player and would be happy to use 11 on him. 6 is just way too high for him and think we should be picking up someone else.

Anyway let’s see how this lands

 

[dazzledavey36]

Cals phantom draft officially out.
Cal Twomey's 2023 Phantom Draft: Top 30, late picks, whispers - Cal Twomey's 2023 Phantom Draft: Top 30, late picks, whispers

 

[dazzledavey36]

 

[Scythe]

But you don't burn your first pick on a fringe mid. First picks are for KPPs or a freakishly good mid like Harley Reid/Zane Duursma/Colby McKercher. Windsor or Tholstrup ain't it.

Go for Curtin or O'Connell for the first pick. Even a Sam Van Rooyen.

Both of those guys will be lucky to get drafted at all, but you want to use a top 10 pick on them because they're tall?

 

[Scythe]

The Windsor/Tholstrup combo is looking pretty clear now.

I like it – skills and speed from one, power and x-factor from the other.

Would love Leake to slip through to our second pick, but looks very unlikely now. Still, would be a good outcome. Based off Twomey's article, looks like we'll be trading out 42 for a future third, again emphasing that we don't rate the mid-back end of this draft.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Both of those guys will be lucky to get drafted at all, but you want to use a top 10 pick on them because they're tall?

Sorry did I say O'connell. I meant Connor O'Sullivan

No we need KPPs. Windsor and Tholstrup ain't it. They might aid in the midfield but are useless in either ends. We need to fix our forwardline woes and our ageing defence.

We need to accelerate TMac and BBB exit and provide cover for May, Lever and Petty.

 

[Lord Nev]

We need to accelerate TMac and BBB exit and provide cover for May, Lever and Petty.

I don't disagree we could be in trouble end of next year with a 32 year old May, Petty likely gone, (Lever is 27, so no worry there), and all of Brown, TMac and Schache very likely gone, but I wouldn't think 18 year olds are the answer for that immediate concern.

 

[Scythe]

Sorry did I say O'connell. I meant Connor O'Sullivan

No we need KPPs. Windsor and Tholstrup ain't it.

Fair enough, there have been plenty of hits with early picks spent on outside mids/flankers in recent history though:

• Whitfield (#1)
• Sheezel (#3)
• Daicos (#4)
• McCluggage (#3)
• B Smith (#7)
• Bailey (#15)
• Kelly (#2)
• Macrae (#6)
• Callaghan (#3)
• Wanganeen-Milera (#11)
• Day (#13)

Would kill to have just about any of those guys tbh.

 

[Lord Nev]

 

[Scythe]

Honestly, give me Windsor x1000 over spending the pick AND an F1 to get Watson or Sanders.

Only way I'd change my tune on that is if Duursma or McKercher slipped, which looks extremely unlikely.

 

[MarcMaverick]

I don't disagree we could be in trouble end of next year with a 32 year old May, Petty likely gone, (Lever is 27, so no worry there), and all of Brown, TMac and Schache very likely gone, but I wouldn't think 18 year olds are the answer for that immediate concern.

Unless we can pry a KPF or KPD in the MST next year or Trade period next year Windsor and Tholstrup an horror off-season that keeps on giving.

Fair enough, there have been plenty of hits with early picks spent on outside mids/flankers in recent history though:

• Whitfield (#1)
• Sheezel (#3)
• Daicos (#4)
• McCluggage (#3)
• B Smith (#7)
• Bailey (#15)
• Kelly (#2)
• Macrae (#6)
• Callaghan (#3)
• Wanganeen-Milera (#11)
• Day (#13)

Would kill to have just about any of those guys tbh.

I like all those guys too, however they aren't a like for like replacement for what we need.

 

[Scythe]

Unless we can pry a KPF or KPD in the MST next year or Trade period next year Windsor and Tholstrup an horror off-season that keeps on giving.



I like all those guys too, however they aren't a like for like replacement for what we need.

We have about two guys on the list that can hit a target going inside 50, I'd argue it's our greatest need by quite some distance.