Preview R4: Changes vs. Gold Coast Suns (Match of the Round!!!)

[WheresGroomgone]

I went to Daws Rd high in year 8 in 1984 and hated it. Changed to Marion high after that. What years were you at Daws rd?

I went to Marion but had left by the time you started.

 

[rocket18]

That's exactly what's going on though. Pedlar for example is clearly ahead of Murphy as demonstrated during the pre-season by selection choices. Murphy is an emergency for this game, Pedlar plays SANFL. Same I'm sure is true of Nankervis. He's not going to be in the 23 but it would be wrong to assume that he's more than 4 players deep to make the team.

lol, just when you thought Nicks might be becoming less of a ****wit.

I thought Pedlar was considered next in before Murphy?

That's why people with a brain were dismayed when Murphy was made emergency for the Saints game, others stupidly gave Nicks the benefit of the doubt - even after five years of selection **** ups they gave him the benefit of the doubt, staggering.

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

Of course it makes sense. They don’t say your top 22 win you a flag, doesn’t matter if your 23 is shit.

In a close game, having a dud in the side could make all the difference. Surprised your even arguing it.

Strange defence you’re using to accept a crap decision, but I suppose you had to find something.

Premiership teams carry spuds, look at the list of spuds with a flag. Of course your team needs to bat deep with quality (which ours finally does), but it can carry one if it comes to that.

No one is going ‘yep, Frampton sure was crucial to Collingwood’s 2023 flag’.

Ideally Murphy is nowhere near the team, but it’s not changing our ability to win this week or go deep this year.

 

[FR0GGY]

Imagine the melts when Sid is still the sub.

 

[maxlilly]

I hope he (Nicks) won’t give Murphy as much leeway as before. He is coaching for his career. He needs results.
Hopefully there will be “encouragement” to move on from him (Murphy) if he doesn’t perform. I’m sure they’ll give him a couple of games, but with adequate replacements, he’s on thin ice.

Should Tex be rested for this week?

Everyone has been saying that for the last 4 years.
But here we are

 

[Shuestar13]

Everyone has been saying that for the last 4 years.
But here we are

True. But you have an excellent list now. And the coach knows if he doesn’t make finals he will be shown the door.
If push comes to shove, Mr Murphy will be on the outer.

A good start to the season, a tricky game this week, but at least a platform to build on. Positivity

 

[maxlilly]

When the options start opening up, Nicks is showing he hasn't improved his player evaluation

I would have liked to see
Taylor > Murphy
Butts > Borlase
Nankervis > Milera

 

[VictorianCrow85]

What we've seen so far is what the improvement to our list has brought.

We're yet to be tested in the coaching department

Firstly I'll just say there's plenty of things Nicks has done that frustrates me and I don't agree with Murphy being brought in over several others. Not at all

But...

If we're being objective there has been other improvements from Nicks.

Resting guys like Rankine & Tex for a start. But more importantly he clearly acknowledged his game plan last year went too far in the defensive direction & has set about changing course on that.

The way in which we've been moving the ball has been pretty impressive, it's not just skill based (though that is a part) it's players knowing where they need to be to open sides up and be that next outlet. Its pretty disingenuous to give 0 credit to the coach for this.

I'm all for criticism but similar when there's some credit due it should be given too.

Just to clarify I'm not saying he's turned the corner, the sample size of this year is a bit narrow and today feels like a step back in this regard after a positive start from his end in the earlier rounds.

 

[rocket18]

.......
Disappointing: (but not surprised)

Draper only got one CBA, ideal game to get him in the guts with Dawson/Rankine/Crouch all down and/or tagged.
Our coach is still our biggest impediment.

Posted this on the Norf GBU thread, after 3 wins it was abundantly clear that Nicks is still our biggest impediment.

We have the makings of really good team, unfortunately the 'maker' is not up to the job.

 

[rocket18]

Nicks is 100% coaching for the now. Win now. Experience matters.
That's it. That's all he's thinking.
He's such a simpleton.

Crouch is out. Our one inside mid bull is out - in a game with the AFL's best in the role. So we bring in an undersized (and shit) defensive forward and a half back flanker?

Why not bring Bond in for a tagging role on Rowell? Bond has the engine, strength and determination. Draper comes in for Rachele and plays forward with some spurts on ball.
Nank to the sub role.

Would make us much better than the current option.

But Nicks isn't even coaching for the now properly, Murphy 'now' is still the wrong option.

Murphy won't help us win on Sunday anymore than 5 others who have a brighter future.

Absolute madness, Clappers getting what they deserve, the Mob paying the price.

 

[nutella_martini]

Nicksy the crafty old fox.. keeping Pedlar fresh for Tom Stewart next week !

 

[rocket18]

Live and learn you lot

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It's like a who's who of Happy Clappers in that No list - take a good hard look at yourselves.

Whilst leaning toward Yes, I wasn't confident enough to pick it, I really didn't think Nicks was that big of a moron, Nicks really did pass me that beer.

 

[Golumless]

We’ll drop this game. Not because of Murphy directly, but because of the mindset that picks him. Don’t deserve to win.

"Don't deserve to win", what utter nonsense. Selecting Muphy has absolutely nothing to do with the mindset coming into this game. It's just the depth chart at work.

All this says is Murphy is either first or second drop when it comes to small forward replacements, depending how we are planning to replace Crouch. Seeing Peatling would be the standout option there to get extra minutes, especially as I'd imagine we'd loathe to shuffle any of our small defenders at the moment.

Well the other thing that it says is Zac Taylor might be cooked at the end of the year.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Premiership teams carry spuds, look at the list of spuds with a flag. Of course your team needs to bat deep with quality (which ours finally does), but it can carry one if it comes to that.

No one is going ‘yep, Frampton sure was crucial to Collingwood’s 2023 flag’.

Ideally Murphy is nowhere near the team, but it’s not changing our ability to win this week or go deep this year.

Frampton was important in their GF and played his role. They also had zero options.

Ok I’ll dumb it down for you, if you had a choice between the better player or the spud, who you going for to help you win the game, the player or the spud?

 

[rocket18]

Frampton was important in their GF and played his role. They also had zero options.

Ok I’ll dumb it down for you, if you had a choice between the better player or the spud, who you going for to help you win the game, the player or the spud?

Whomever the club selects will be the right option.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Whomever the club selects will be the right option.

And doesn’t matter if it’s the wrong option, BACCS logic

 

[Golumless]

I hope he (Nicks) won’t give Murphy as much leeway as before. He is coaching for his career. He needs results.
Hopefully there will be “encouragement” to move on from him (Murphy) if he doesn’t perform. I’m sure they’ll give him a couple of games, but with adequate replacements, he’s on thin ice.

Should Tex be rested for this week?

Nah, he won't. Murphy isn't best 22 by the depth chart.

The only question is who is Murphy replacing. Crouch or the sub and providing no forward half injuries, Murphy is gone unless he puts up a monster performance. Rachele and could be a 3-4 week stint, providing no injuries.

Personally, I suspect Murph is Crouch's replacement (with Peatling getting more inside minutes) because of Draper.

 

[Samcro24]

"Don't deserve to win", what utter nonsense. Selecting Muphy has absolutely nothing to do with the mindset coming into this game. It's just the depth chart at work.

All this says is Murphy is either first or second drop when it comes to small forward replacements, depending how we are planning to replace Crouch. Seeing Peatling would be the standout option there to get extra minutes, especially as I'd imagine we'd loathe to shuffle any of our small defenders at the moment.

Well the other thing that it says is Zac Taylor might be cooked at the end of the year.

We know what Murphy brings, sweet **** all.

There’s players with potential upside who can play a forward and or mid role waiting in the twos.

It’s an uninspired, weak selection. 11 touches and a 40% probability of a goal. Yippee

We could get that and potentially more moving forward with Taylor.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If you’re relying on the worst player in your team to win a close game then not enough of your stars have stood up. Our stars have been playing well for us to be 3-0, it’s got nothing to do with the bottom couple in the 22 (carried Milera last week for example).

Go back to last season & count the number of times Murphy's opponent was best on ground or near to best.

It makes for scary reading!

Get on Rioli having a huge game...

 

[ams4crows]

We all know Murphy will stay in the team even after Rachele returns because Nicks is obsessed with him

 

[Danger in Texas]

We all know Murphy will stay in the team even after Rachele returns because Nicks is obsessed with him

He’ll come out if there’s no injuries to any forwards

The scary thing is that it’s very possible that one first choice forward will be injured at all times this year

 

[ams4crows]

Go back to last season & count the number of times Murphy's opponent was best on ground or near to best.

It makes for scary reading!

Get on Rioli having a huge game...

Also averages 2 disposals in the 4th quarter. It's a game that will likely be close, we actually need someone to contribute.

Keeping shape and a couple of tackles isn't good enough when trying to win the game away from home.

 

[SugarShane]

 

[Samcro24]

We’ve got this team now with a lot of dynamic players. Fast, line breaking, skilled, flexible, good in front of goals.

Spud Murphy is the antithesis of that.

 

[George CantStandYa]

We’ve got this team now with a lot of dynamic players. Fast, line breaking, skilled, flexible, good in front of goals.

Spud Murphy is the antithesis of that.

Just have to chuckle at the posters dismissing concerns about Murphy getting selected this year, round 4, first injuries and he’s in.