The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[jim boy]

Re the donors, I am soooooooo pissed off about the stitch-up deal that Labor and the Coalition did shortly before parliament rose. We need to wean our politicians off the donor teat, and they've done the opposite for themselves, to try to hamstring the independents. Absolute craven bastards.

Yeah bad, still not as bad as some of the rules elsewhere. Was reading about "unincorporated associations" in the uk. These things can donate up to about 32,000 pounds and while it has to be declared, the source of money doesn't have to be. An "unincorporated association" is a group of people with a common interest and a set of written rules. What that interest is and what the rules really doesnt matter and they dont have to registered. If you were trying to gain influence and wouldn't otherwise be allowed to donate (eg foreign sources) then no problem, set up as many "unincorporated associations" as you want and donate as much as you want whilst staying in the shadows. Known loophole for years, but strangely no party seems in a hurry to close it.

 

[nut]

The liberals trying to be cool on tiktok (which they wanted banned) to try and harness young voters and end looking like bigger idiots.

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[PJays]

The teals have had an impact but in a lot of these seats they’re a symptom, not a cause.

In Melbourne particularly, these seats have changed a hell of a lot. They were blue ribbon because they were wealth areas and the wealthy vote Liberal (that hasn’t changed much).

What has changed is the housing price revolution, and it’s all a bit ironic as that was kicked off by Howard and the Liberals. In a way they’ve eaten their own blue ribbon areas as people enrich themselves via housing - which is what the Liberals wanted.

There are still wealthy Liberal voters but they’re increasingly outnumbered by young, non-wealthy people living in the multi-story dog boxes the developers built to take advantage of the house price crisis.

Take a house, remove the two Liberal voters, knock the house down, buid apartments and move in 20 non-Liberal voters.

The Libs and their supporters sold their own blue ribbon seats.

This is fair analysis on the demographics.

But the Liberal party isn't the problem.

Housing affordability is an issue in many Western countries. But moreso in Australia.

Over the last couple of decades Australia's had high net migration.

30% of Australians are born overseas. OECD average is 14% (2019 figures).

Demand for housing continues to increase, while supply hasn't kept up.

To blame this entirely on the Liberals is, of course, a complete nonsense.

 

[nut]

This is fair analysis on the demographics.

But the Liberal party isn't the problem.

Housing affordability is an issue in many Western countries. But moreso in Australia.

Over the last couple of decades Australia's had high net migration.

30% of Australians are born overseas. OECD average is 14% (2019 figures).

Demand for housing continues to increase, while supply hasn't kept up.

To blame this entirely on the Liberals is, of course, a complete nonsense.

It’s our banking system that’s the problem.

 

[Leeda]

Turns out the dreaded latte sipping inner city dwellers might be onto something.

The left legged rumours that i have red undies ...chummy is when we all say hello without acrimony

 

[Magruder]

It’s our banking system that’s the problem.

Australia is a real estate market with a services economy attached

 

[The Punter]

Lesson for the Liberals: do the opposite of what Peta Credlin says

Victoria was fertile ground for a coherent and considered Coalition pitch to voters. Driving a truck with Jacinta Allan’s face plastered on it wasn’t it.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Gough]

The footy writer might have a point for once.

 

[Saint]

Lesson for the Liberals: do the opposite of what Peta Credlin says

Victoria was fertile ground for a coherent and considered Coalition pitch to voters. Driving a truck with Jacinta Allan’s face plastered on it wasn’t it.

www.theage.com.au

The circles some of the Liberals like Credlin must move in to be so completely oblivious to the attitudes of everyday Victorians (and maybe national) is just staggering.

I do go on a bit about the religious zealots taking over the party. But at the same time, the blue-bloods who are left aren't much different in being convinced of their own infallibility. Seems like everyone in the Liberal Party truly believes that there are "quiet Australians" who agree with everything they say and no amount of losing elections is going to convince them otherwise.

 

[The Punter]

The circles some of the Liberals like Credlin must move in to be so completely oblivious to the attitudes of everyday Victorians (and maybe national) is just staggering.

I do go on a bit about the religious zealots taking over the party. But at the same time, the blue-bloods who are left aren't much different in being convinced of their own infallibility. Seems like everyone in the Liberal Party truly believes that there are "quiet Australians" who agree with everything they say and no amount of losing elections is going to convince them otherwise.

"Everyone in the Liberal Party" - I'm in the Liberal Party.

There are others like me too. But unequivocation makes nice copy.

 

[Saint]

"Everyone in the Liberal Party" - I'm in the Liberal Party.

There are others like me too. But unequivocation makes nice copy.

Can't put qualifiers on everything. I meant everyone with a public profile in the party, but you knew that and just chose to take offence.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

"Everyone in the Liberal Party" - I'm in the Liberal Party.

There are others like me too. But unequivocation makes nice copy.

I take you at your word.

But as an outside observer, your voices don't seem to have been heard or made any difference in the last 3 years.

 

[Gough]

I take you at your word.

But as an outside observer, your voices don't seem to have been heard or made any difference in the last 3 years.

We also know that the state branches are largely controlled by the sort of people who would seem unlikely to see the election result as a repudiation of their beliefs.

 

[QuietB]

"Everyone in the Liberal Party" - I'm in the Liberal Party.

There are others like me too. But unequivocation makes nice copy.

Have you noticed there are less people like you? My experience is that people (maybe) like you are less engaged with the Liberal Party than they once were.

 

[The Punter]

I take you at your word.

But as an outside observer, your voices don't seem to have been heard or made any difference in the last 3 years.

Have you noticed there are less people like you? My experience is that people (maybe) like you are less engaged with the Liberal Party than they once were.

I'm not disputing this, but you all are just going to have to tolerate my pedantry on this: everyone means every single one.

There are people like me in the Liberal Party. There's not enough of us, but we are there.

 

[QuietB]

They made a good observation on 774 (no I’m not a boomer ) this morning.

Every time they speak to a senior Vic state Liberal it is Kennett. And we know every time they want a senior federal Liberal it is Howard.

There have been two other Liberal premiers since Kennett and three other Liberal PM’s since Howard.

And neither Howard or Kennet are even that popular or likeable.

Maybe, just maybe that is a pretty solid indication you have drifted off track.

 

[The Punter]

They made a good observation on 774 (no I’m not a boomer ) this morning.

Every time they speak to a senior Vic state Liberal it is Kennett. And we know every time they want a senior federal Liberal it is Howard.

There have been two other Liberal premiers since Kennett and three other Liberal PM’s since Howard.

And neither Howard or Kennet are even that popular or likeable.

Maybe, just maybe that is a pretty solid indication you have drifted off track.

I think the Howard one is fair comment. Media know Kennett will pick up the phone and give them something newsworthy. So they'll keep going back to him. Baillieu, while active supporting candidates in both state and federal elections recently, has never enjoyed the spotlight. Napthine is out in the South West keeping to himself largely.

 

[peetoo]

They made a good observation on 774 (no I’m not a boomer ) this morning.

Every time they speak to a senior Vic state Liberal it is Kennett. And we know every time they want a senior federal Liberal it is Howard.

There have been two other Liberal premiers since Kennett and three other Liberal PM’s since Howard.

And neither Howard or Kennet are even that popular or likeable.

Maybe, just maybe that is a pretty solid indication you have drifted off track.

Ironic they hated each other

 

[QuietB]

Ironic they hated each other

Apparently they all hate each other. And everyone else.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Where has this idea that kids are being pushed towards progressive ideas in public schools come from?

Teaching inclusion, respect and that world history exists outside Europe equals "woke"!!!!

 

[Not Important]

The Liberal downfall is of its own making. Rebuilding won't be easy

After sacrificing its moderates, it's hard to see how the increasingly right-leaning Liberals can be reformed to reflect the views of voters.

www.thenewdaily.com.au

 

[Saint]

Taylor vs Ley for the leadership.

Everyone blaming Dutton's unlikeability, Taylor and Ley aren't brimming with charisma.

It's not the leaders, it's the whole parliamentary group. Across a couple of dozen people they don't have anyone with more charisma and ability than Taylor and Ley.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Lesson for the Liberals: do the opposite of what Peta Credlin says

Victoria was fertile ground for a coherent and considered Coalition pitch to voters. Driving a truck with Jacinta Allan’s face plastered on it wasn’t it.

www.theage.com.au

 

[QuietB]

Taylor vs Ley for the leadership.

Everyone blaming Dutton's unlikeability, Taylor and Ley aren't brimming with charisma.

It's not the leaders, it's the whole parliamentary group. Across a couple of dozen people they don't have anyone with more charisma and ability than Taylor and Ley.

The Liberals always knew Dutton was unpopular - that is why they picked Morrison first.

But the underlying problem remains - the Liberals cancelled all the wets.

 

[Donakebab]

In a complete inability to read the tea leaves, Jacinta Price turncoats on the Nationals party room to join the absolute shambles that is the Liberal party room.

Clearly a power play that will be rewarded with some poxy shadow ministry of little importance.