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Why did you bother doing that, when you were "arguing" to not include his debut season?
Or was that just you being disengenuos again?
Has been a fun read watching you get all pissy and make a fool of yourself in the last few pages.
The nuffies have now created a new "contested mark". They have come up with "career avg coaches votes per finals game" that is the focus.
I reckon someone is slowly figuring out that I was mocking you for first demanding I exclude Daicos' 2022 matches, but then as a "gotcha" demanding that I add the 2022 SF as it was missing from my data.
Max Holmes has leap frogged Nick as shown by Mr Meow's coaches votes. Max Holmes has been BOG in his last 4 finals. We see this by Max getting 10 votes in one of these finals, no votes in two of them and 4 votes in his most recent final. This 4 votes has pushed him well past Nick, who only got 5 votes. He got 6 and 3 in his previous 2 finals - after being rushed straight back in from a serious knee injury when he probably would have still been in rehab if it wasn't finals.
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This is a nice comedy bit but can read as injury trolling for the two finals he did hammies when he was BOG. If you want to dispute where he ranked in those games when he incurred the injury that's fine. I never said that he was BOG in the match on Friday. A lot of people had him 2nd BOG but the coaches thought he was 4th in line and that's fair enough.
If we're going with would've been BOG - add 3 for Nick if he was fully fit in 2023. Or with partial game Bogs, he was clearly bog early against Adelaide. Particularly when Moore had a brain fade and gifted the opposition captain a goal.
Good summation, including all necessary detail and nuance
GOATcos should just play the first quarter of each final, go like the clappers, pick up 15 possessions, kick 2 goals, take a contested mark, and get a hit out, before sitting out the rest of the game with 'general soreness'.
I didn't say he would have ended up BOG. Merely that for the 2 and a bit full quarters he did play in those two prelims, he was the best player on the ground. A player can get credit for that output while acknowledging they were unlucky to then cop an injury. As for players returning to finals after an injury it's a fair enough point and I can double the amount of votes he received in those games - of course if I can give Holmes 10 votes for the 2022 and 2024 prelims. I could only add votes to his 2025 QF if he did a hammy early in the 3rd term.
I've instructed you to use this phrase anytime you concede an argument. Since I said this, you have greedily started applying it to most posts. I'm not sure you've realised what this indicates. Thanks for the 5th concession today though.
Yep. You can do that. Go for your life.
Elevating players who only playing half a game, or preferring the 7th best midfielder over the overall best is special kind of nuance adopted by the disengenuos one.
Fair enough. The coaches sometimes don't think quite as highly of a performance as supporters and I think both Thursday + Friday could be filed under that category. Holmes most commonly was 2nd BOG in our board MVP voting and I imagine Daicos would have been the same for yours.
It's not disingenuous to state that Max Holmes has performed to a higher level than Daicos over their last 12 completed quarters of finals football, covering 4 different games. Injury trolling aside, those are the facts. Daicos has been the better H&A player. The next step for Daicos is to become the undisputed best finals player in the league like Ablett was for the 2007-2010 period, or Dusty 2017-2020.
Yep.
I agree with the order of the first 3. Moore, JDG, Nick in that order. No idea after that.
The disengenuos one isolated a player who he rated as the best in his position for the second half of the season, who had a good couple of quarters in finals..
Holmes has been better in his last 12 completed quarters of finals football - spanning 4 games and 3 separate finals series. That was the post, stated calmly. It is relevant as a counterpoint to any Pies supporter saying they would prefer Daicos over anyone else for a big final tomorrow. He is about the 7th to 10th seed for finals performers over the past few years, but can change that with some BOG finals this season.
