List Mgmt. 2025 AFL Draft - November 19-20. Rookie draft: November 21.

[Chunky Steak]

For 2 years we were all talking up Tom Magaune now Pies think no good,because of his size really he is a very smart footballer as we will find out
The kid's still young .We didnt pick up Liam Picken had the chance let that go and he helped Bullldogs win their breakthrough premiership.
We are all comparing The brown brothers to Tom but Tom has smarts very good footy brain even Shifter Sheahan sees the value in him.You watch we will spew we didnt pick him up.He 'll thrive in Adelaide next few years if he gets into their side
Dumb move Pies

Let's call a spade a spade... Shifter saying nice things counts for very, very little. If my cat played junior footy, Shifter would describe him as an agile young go-getter with excellent balance and mouse-winning, I mean, ball-winning ability.

Tommy may well end up being a good player, but no one drafted or rookied him. So the looming regret you mention should really apply to every single player we've ever passed on, that has gone on to have a good career.

Dont get me wrong, I get why it sucks. I hate that the McGuane name may play on at another club - his dad is an all time favourite and a legend of the club, and the hype online got a bit silly over young Tom as a 16/17yo kid.

But you don't get a 20% ability boost by being the son of a club legend. The entire AFL saw the same deficiencies in Tommy's game that our recruiters did. If he comes good, it will be a success to be celebrated by him and his family, not a dumb move made by the entire AFL.

 

[Mollythedolly]

For 2 years we were all talking up Tom Magaune now Pies think no good,because of his size really he is a very smart footballer as we will find out
The kid's still young .We didnt pick up Liam Picken had the chance let that go and he helped Bullldogs win their breakthrough premiership.
We are all comparing The brown brothers to Tom but Tom has smarts very good footy brain even Shifter Sheahan sees the value in him.You watch we will spew we didnt pick him up.He 'll thrive in Adelaide next few years if he gets into their side
Dumb move Pies

Liam Picken was 22 when drafted. Every club had multiple drafts to select yet chose not to. Unlikely he’d have survived on our list beyond initial contract even if we’d taken the FS opportunity. He just wasn’t that good till he decided to pull his finger out when he got older, and even then, like Kelly just a good ordinary role player.

 

[stormskye]

For 2 years we were all talking up Tom Magaune now Pies think no good,because of his size really he is a very smart footballer as we will find out
The kid's still young .We didnt pick up Liam Picken had the chance let that go and he helped Bullldogs win their breakthrough premiership.
We are all comparing The brown brothers to Tom but Tom has smarts very good footy brain even Shifter Sheahan sees the value in him.You watch we will spew we didnt pick him up.He 'll thrive in Adelaide next few years if he gets into their side
Dumb move Pies

And yet 18 clubs passed on him. What would 18 recruiting teams know I guess compared to BF footy knowledge. And have you spoken with Leppa and our team? Please quote where they said size is the only reason?

 

[VinnieB]

For 2 years we were all talking up Tom Magaune now Pies think no good,because of his size really he is a very smart footballer as we will find out
The kid's still young .We didnt pick up Liam Picken had the chance let that go and he helped Bullldogs win their breakthrough premiership.
We are all comparing The brown brothers to Tom but Tom has smarts very good footy brain even Shifter Sheahan sees the value in him.You watch we will spew we didnt pick him up.He 'll thrive in Adelaide next few years if he gets into their side
Dumb move Pies

Adelaide hasn’t offered him a contract as yet. They didn’t think he was good enough to be drafted. It’s a throw at the stumps for them by allowing him to train there.

Having said that, I hope he, and every other kid who has made sacrifices to get on an AFL list succeeds in doing so at some point in their careers.

Best of luck.

 

[SchuPie]

KPD Blake Thredgold
His highlights looked amazing
Anyone know what the knock on him was?

 

[Jen2310]

KPD Blake Thredgold
His highlights looked amazing
Anyone know what the knock on him was?

According to his draft profile:

IMPROVEMENTS:

• Decision making
• Production

And I suppose lockdown defenders dont get the glitz and glamour in drafts

 

[Kappa]

According to his draft profile:

IMPROVEMENTS:

• Decision making
• Production

And I suppose lockdown defenders dont get the glitz and glamour in drafts

You gotta be more than a lock down defender to be taken high.

Good KPD need to be intercept marking threats and offer some rebound

 

[Kappa]

Let's call a spade a spade... Shifter saying nice things counts for very, very little. If my cat played junior footy, Shifter would describe him as an agile young go-getter with excellent balance and mouse-winning, I mean, ball-winning ability.

Tommy may well end up being a good player, but no one drafted or rookied him. So the looming regret you mention should really apply to every single player we've ever passed on, that has gone on to have a good career.

Dont get me wrong, I get why it sucks. I hate that the McGuane name may play on at another club - his dad is an all time favourite and a legend of the club, and the hype online got a bit silly over young Tom as a 16/17yo kid.

But you don't get a 20% ability boost by being the son of a club legend. The entire AFL saw the same deficiencies in Tommy's game that our recruiters did. If he comes good, it will be a success to be celebrated by him and his family, not a dumb move made by the entire AFL.

My favorite part of the coverage was the "draft experts" ranking someone at 45 then when they get drafted at 32 they're "shocked" at how they're still on the board

 

[Gone Critical]

So best case for McGuane is that he is something like a Zach Merrett, Sam Mitchell, Lachie Neale, etc but without the ball-winning capabilities?

He’s not a noted goal-sneak or a marking threat.

So Caleb Daniel is around his ceiling? Do we want to commit a list spot to maybe building our own Caleb Daniel?

If he could be a Caleb Daniel you would grab him with both hands. 200+ games, premiership player, B&F, AA and 2nd in rising star 2016. Thats a stellar career especially for pick 46. And like almost al kids from late in the draft who end up good he was good early. 54 games in his 1st 3 seasons (10,24,20)

Hope Tom can make it but he is long odds from where he is. I would say if he could be as good as either of the Browns he will gone a long way past current expectations. If you are not picked up in the drafts of your year you are up against it. He has a lifeline currently if Adelaide works out, if not he is long odds to ever be on a list. The clubs generally get this stuff right. Its a brutal business.

 

[Kappa]

If he could be a Caleb Daniel you would grab him with both hands. 200+ games, premiership player, B&F, AA and 2nd in rising star 2016. Thats a stellar career especially for pick 46. And like almost al kids from late in the draft who end up good he was good early. 54 games in his 1st 3 seasons (10,24,20)

Hope Tom can make it but he is long odds from where he is. I would say if he could be as good as either of the Browns he will gone a long way past current expectations. If you are not picked up in the drafts of your year you are up against it. He has a lifeline currently if Adelaide works out, if not he is long odds to ever be on a list. The clubs generally get this stuff right. Its a brutal business.

Just play him

 

[Soups]

KPD Blake Thredgold
His highlights looked amazing
Anyone know what the knock on him was?

He was injured for a little while if I recall but when he came in for a string of games later in the year he dominated the air really well. Won the U18 GF BOG.

 

[whiskeytown]

I hope mcguane now plays 100 games for the crom… and sticks it up the pies recruiters in the process

For all the talk that 18 clubs passed on him… the draft featured clubs taking players that were in similar positions to Tom on the draft board…or not even on the draft radar

Taking 4 on draft night unnecessarily squeezed the rookie position down to one…

Whilst we all hope the 4 drafted will go on to be successful… the later picks were Hail Mary late picks, a roll of the die based off little exposed form in some cases.

Going back over the list of players the pies have taken over the years with later picks (30 onwards) is a revolving door with few of those late picks sticking

Collingwood - Every Draft Pick Ever - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

So mcguane for mine comparably should’ve been drafted or a spot left open to rookie him… and the work put in to developing him

 

[WanderingDude]

I hope mcguane now plays 100 games for the crom… and sticks it up the pies recruiters in the process

For all the talk that 18 clubs passed on him… the draft featured clubs taking players that were in similar positions to Tom on the draft board…or not even on the draft radar

Taking 4 on draft night unnecessarily squeezed the rookie position down to one…

Whilst we all hope the 4 drafted will go on to be successful… the later picks were Hail Mary late picks, a roll of the die based off little exposed form in some cases.

Going back over the list of players the pies have taken over the years with later picks (30 onwards) is a revolving door with few of those late picks sticking

Collingwood - Every Draft Pick Ever - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

So mcguane for mine comparably should’ve been drafted or a spot left open to rookie him… and the work put in to developing him

Kelly, C Brown, T Brown, Barham.

All FS. All didn’t contribute much to Collingwood success. Three of the four played senior games.

McGuane was not drafted by any team in the ND or the RD. The club made an informed decision which matched the assessments of other clubs. I am sad about the outcome but it was an informed decision that is in the past.

Not all/possibly none of the players selected by Collingwood will make it. That is the nature of drafting. With Tom the club assessed the return to be less than what has been gained.
I support the clubs decision.

 

[Fruit]

Kelly, C Brown, T Brown, Barham.

All FS. All didn’t contribute much to Collingwood success. Three of the four played senior games.

He was not drafted by any team in the ND or the RD. The club made an informed decision which matched the assessments of other clubs. I am sad about the outcome but it was an informed decision that is in the past.

Not all/possibly none of the players selected by Collingwood will make it. That is the nature of drafting. With Tom the club assessed the return to be less than what has been gained.
I support the clubs decision.

Good post. Many people are seduced by his surname and it would be nice to have that name on our list but the club have decided with more information than we have access to that he’s not suitable to be drafted by us this year. 17 other clubs have made the same decision.
There are examples where clubs have got decisions wrong but they are not making any decisions without data and strong debate

 

[sr36]

Whilst we all hope the 4 drafted will go on to be successful… the later picks were Hail Mary late picks, a roll of the die based off little exposed form in some cases.

I assume you're tlalking about McCarthy? I can't see how it applies to the other 3.

 

[WanderingDude]

A little additional view. This year the decision has been made. In a future draft were McGuane to be available it is a new decision. I understand that the likelihood of him being recruited in the future has been reduced.

 

[Apex36]

And yet 18 clubs passed on him. What would 18 recruiting teams know I guess compared to BF footy knowledge. And have you spoken with Leppa and our team? Please quote where they said size is the only reason?

I always find this line of thinking a little odd. Club recruiters aren’t infallible, 18 clubs overlooked Beau McCreery until late in his overage year too and he’s become one of the premier pressure forwards of the comp, incredibly important to us.

Obviously no guarantee that Tommy does the same, but he’s a prolific ball winner, fast and has good disposal, so it’s not unreasonable to come to the conclusion that the main knock on him is size.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Tom should model his game on Laird.

 

[nickyds35]

We now have a batch of young midfielders in:

Steele, Long, Allan, DeMattia, Prindable, Swadling and Anderson.

To be competative next year, I think we need only 2 of this cohort becoming consistant best 22 players.

Other than that, if we are ok on the injuries front, I think we can be competative, remembering that we bolstered out team with Houston and Perryman 12 months ago.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I hope mcguane now plays 100 games for the crom… and sticks it up the pies recruiters in the process

For all the talk that 18 clubs passed on him… the draft featured clubs taking players that were in similar positions to Tom on the draft board…or not even on the draft radar

Taking 4 on draft night unnecessarily squeezed the rookie position down to one…

Whilst we all hope the 4 drafted will go on to be successful… the later picks were Hail Mary late picks, a roll of the die based off little exposed form in some cases.

Going back over the list of players the pies have taken over the years with later picks (30 onwards) is a revolving door with few of those late picks sticking

Collingwood - Every Draft Pick Ever - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

So mcguane for mine comparably should’ve been drafted or a spot left open to rookie him… and the work put in to developing him

I’d have been happy to see him added to the squad in place of either HDM or Ryan but sadly for Tom they were both contracted.

 

[WanderingDude]

We now have a batch of young midfielders in:

Steele, Long, Allan, DeMattia, Prindable, Swadling and Anderson.

To be competative next year, I think we need only 2 of this cohort becoming consistant best 22 players.

Other than that, if we are ok on the injuries front, I think we can be competative, remembering that we bolstered out team with Houston and Perryman 12 months ago.

Steele was MSD and Long had a breakout season. Herald-Sun’s top 50 under 22s today had Long at 44. These two delivered unexpectedly but only Allan delivered otherwise. The lack of young player delivery is a concern, our next up have few AFL games. We have correctly pursued immediate success at the cost of youth. The focus shift is visible with the list changes. We also need pace and inside midfield coverage. The inclusion of Hill, HH, Hayes elsewhere may move existing players to the midfield.

 

[sr36]

I always find this line of thinking a little odd. Club recruiters aren’t infallible, 18 clubs overlooked Beau McCreery until late in his overage year too and he’s become one of the premier pressure forwards of the comp, incredibly important to us.

Obviously no guarantee that Tommy does the same, but he’s a prolific ball winner, fast and has good disposal, so it’s not unreasonable to come to the conclusion that the main knock on him is size.

I think it's role. Not looking like an AFL mid or an AFL flanker yet. Needs a reinvention of his game.

 

[Fruit]

I always find this line of thinking a little odd. Club recruiters aren’t infallible, 18 clubs overlooked Beau McCreery until late in his overage year too and he’s become one of the premier pressure forwards of the comp, incredibly important to us.

Obviously no guarantee that Tommy does the same, but he’s a prolific ball winner, fast and has good disposal, so it’s not unreasonable to come to the conclusion that the main knock on him is size.

Two of our midfield draftees are over 190cm. Do you think we may have been looking for some size and strength in there?

 

[WanderingDude]

Two of our midfield draftees are over 190cm. Do you think we may have been looking for some size and strength in there?

Also multiple positional players may be important. Can Jordy, Shultz, McCeery and Hill provide important Midfield minutes? This allows newer recruits easier senior games at the start. Parker, Steele, Allan, West, Hayes and Buller are also in line for more games. The injury return of HH and Reef. There are many options. Oh, it’s easy to forget the German stomach virus, Smit and Steene.

 

[Jen2310]