Mega Thread Nick Daicos - Can he be the GTWEB? Part 2

[Mynamesinuse]

You're defending a king hit behind the play when Greening wasn't looking that very nearly killed him and gave him brain damage.

Do you really want to defend that?

Not defending anything. I’m saying a king hit is king hit.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

you cannot even name a player lol

West next to nothing no presence.
Buller looked lost
Demattia disposal horrendous
Smit a junior ruck looks lost down back
Parker so light doesn’t find enough ball no real elite traits.
Steele may be ok as a role player while the mature age players are there
Steene rucked ok against Riccardi well beaten by Briggs
Anderson big body not much else
Harrison excused
Cochrane ok but backs got beaten in the numerous times

 

[Robroy22]

Oh so Wright told the tribunal he was getting hit and warned him.
His evidence.
I’d have cleared him on that.

King hit a bloke that misses a GF
All good

Look Jimmy, I'll try one more time. I'm not denying that Wright hit Somerville or that it was totally outrageous, but Sommerville was a yapper and a sniper not unlike Stephen Milne. And yes Wright did dob him in but it didn't alter the outcome. And yes Somerville missed a grand final (like Cloke, Carman, Rocca...but who's counting?) The irony was that the next time the "provocation" defence was tried Syd Jackson actually got off his charge of striking Lee Adamson by saying that Adamson racially abused him. Jackson played in the Premiership a week later but it took years for him to admit that he'd lied to the tribunal and that Adamson hadn't abused him at all.

Greening was like NWM in the way he played. He didn't snipe or aggravate, he just beat you with speed and ability. Imagine NAS being king hit behind the play in a thoroughly premeditated assault. Now imagine that YOU and about a thousand of your mates (and opposition supporters) all saw what happened clearly.

Now let's imagine you then get told by the Oppo coach and then the Police that what you all saw didn't really happen and that NAS actually hit his head on the ground and that's what caused the life threatening injury.

Lets imagine NAS spending weeks in hospital recovering and then the next 18 months getting fit enough to play again. And then when you see him play again, he's lost his speed, his balance and his step. He's a shadow of his former brilliant self. Yet the animal that caused it all still plays on, the coach who enabled it, he still coaches on as well.

Don't just be another Jimmy O'Dea Jimmy.

 

[sr36]

What’s that got to do with anything.

When you're talking about a team's future based on young talent, it matters how many they have, but it also matters how good they are. How many Josh Caddys or "insert promising but not locked in mid" do you think NWM is worth?

 

[Mynamesinuse]

When you're talking about a team's future based on young talent, it matters how many they have, but it also matters how good they are. How many Josh Caddys or "insert promising but not locked in mid" do you think NWM is worth?

Well Collingwood have Nick and …..

StKilda have NWM and a host of great young talent

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Look Jimmy, I'll try one more time. I'm not denying that Wright hit Somerville or that it was totally outrageous, but Sommerville was a yapper and a sniper not unlike Stephen Milne. And yes Wright did dob him in but it didn't alter the outcome. And yes Somerville missed a grand final (like Cloke, Carman, Rocca...but who's counting?) The irony was that the next time the "provocation" defence was tried Syd Jackson actually got off his charge of striking Lee Adamson by saying that Adamson racially abused him. Jackson played in the Premiership a week later but it took years for him to admit that he'd lied to the tribunal and that Adamson hadn't abused him at all.

Greening was like NWM in the way he played. He didn't snipe or aggravate, he just beat you with speed and ability. Imagine NAS being king hit behind the play in a thoroughly premeditated assault. Now imagine that YOU and about a thousand of your mates (and opposition supporters) all saw what happened clearly.

Now let's imagine you then get told by the Oppo coach and then the Police that what you all saw didn't really happen and that NAS actually hit his head on the ground and that's what caused the life threatening injury.

Lets imagine NAS spending weeks in hospital recovering and then the next 18 months getting fit enough to play again. And then when you see him play again, he's lost his speed, his balance and his step. He's a shadow of his former brilliant self. Yet the animal that caused it all still plays on, the coach who enabled it, he still coaches on as well.

Don't just be another Jimmy O'Dea Jimmy.

Again no one’s condoning it but rank them.
King hit is a king hit. Only luck prevented serious injury to the other two.

 

[Mr Meow]

Except.... the instances he's been first on the podium.


Convenient narrative.

But 3rd is a much better performance than 8th. And a worthy point of differentiation.

You're sounding like a Carlton or Richmond supporter.

Yes, the 1st's mean a hell of a lot more than the podium finishes.

You are still drawing a binary marker somewhere, which you complain about with people doing it with 1st or not 1st.

2023 for the Coaches, 3rd was 99 votes and 8th was 86. Not a huge difference.

2024 there was a clear top 3 so you can argue 3rd vs 8th there's a big difference.

2025 only 10 votes splits 3rd from 8th. So many variables can influence such a small amount of votes.

There isn't a reason to draw the line at top 3 instead of winning the award or not, or top 5, or top 10. You just choose it because it's the best way to pump Daicos' tires up. If I wanted to I could select the exact boundary for rankings in Player Ratings to do the opposite for him, given he only has 1x top 6 finish and all of the others by position have multiple (often 3 or 4 since 2022.

Personally I'd take BnFs or dominant finals campaigns/matches in strong teams (contending or premiers) ahead of "podium finish" (instead of say, top 5 or 10) collections in the big 3 H&A awards. The podium finishes aren't ever being backed up by his Player Rating anyway. Bontempelli has had that correlation in the same way that Ablett used to routinely.

 

[sr36]

Well Collingwood have Nick and …..

StKilda have NWM and a host of great young talent.

I think the Viking will be a champion, so seeing you have someone fully franked in NWM as well, I'm happy to concede on the young talent front.

But when you watch a preseason game and think that team has 4 really promising youngsters, just remember that those 4 promising youngsters are worth less than NWM and a shit load less than Nick Daicos.

 

[Fadge]

The podium finishes aren't ever being backed up by his Player Rating anyway. Bontempelli has had that correlation in the same way that Ablett used to routinely.

PLaYeR RaTiNGZ!

Did Bont and GAJ have that correlation in the first 4 years of their careers?

No?

I didn't think so....

 

[doppleganger]

Player ratings has Daicos as the worst performer of any player I looked at in the previous post.

Never go full with the ratings.

The ratings had Dogs as the standout team in 2025 and Brisbane 6th

The ratings also had Dogs as better than Lions in 2024.

And in 2023 the ratings didn't have either Collingwood or Brisbane in the top 4 teams.

According to player ratings Daicos was the player of the 2025 finals series, the only player who played multiple finals and avg 20+ in player ratings.

If are are using ratings as your defining criteria you are battling. I expected more from you Meow.

 

[Mr Meow]

PLaYeR RaTiNGZ!

Did Bont and GAJ have that correlation in the first 4 years of their careers?

No?

I didn't think so....

This is the level of discourse I've come to expect from you. I question why I waste time discussing things with someone who converses like this.

 

[sr36]

Again no one’s condoning it but rank them.
King hit is a king hit. Only luck prevented serious injury to the other two.

It wasn't a comparable thing. Big hits in the play or retaliation were an accepted part of the game. O'Dea should have gone to jail. It was blatant assault without being football. And your greatest ever coach should have been alongside him in jail for encouraging the assault.

 

[Mr Meow]

Never go full with the ratings.

The ratings had Dogs as the standout team in 2025 and Brisbane 6th

The ratings also had Dogs as better than Lions in 2024.

And in 2023 the ratings didn't have either Collingwood or Brisbane in the top 4 teams.

According to player ratings Daicos was the player of the 2025 finals series, the only player who played multiple finals and avg 20+ in player ratings.

If are are using ratings as your defining criteria you are battling. I expected more from you Meow.

Teams and players are different things. For team ratings they're not going to be able to measure strength of defences and coaching, among other factors.

When comparing across players by position, of course nuances affect them, but they also do that for how voting dynamics work and who ends up with Fadge's important podium finishes. To be the undisputed best player by position, you'd want some sort of correlation between dominating stats and accolades. Some BnFs in strong teams would be a solid start, truly elite scoring metrics among mids is great, winning a stack of awards in the same season even better - ideally capped off by some finals dominance if your team makes it. Everything has its place in the discussion and pOdIuM fInISheZ in isolation is not some superior method of analysis.

 

[Mr Meow]

Both are flawed is the point.

Dogs were the best team of 2025, with five of the best 30 players of 2025 according to ratings.

But hey use them as your preferred evaluation, Daicos then becomes the player of the 2025 finals.

Every method of ranking players has pros and cons, benefits and limitations, value and caveats. Using all of them and seeing where there is agreement/consensus still has flaws itself, but is a viable approach. It's the onesided mocking and dismissal of anything that doesn't fit with the narrative, where you know someone is only interested in confirmation bias. There's only really one person doing that and it isn't you, so no need to worry.

It is absolutely correct to say that someone only using Player Ratings (this isn't me) would have a higher valuation of Daicos as a finals performer and a lower valuation of his seasons overall. Much like if you only look at podium finishes in a series of awards, you'd determine that his season rankings were higher and finals performances quite poor in relative terms.

As usual, finding a balance with what you focus on and the ability to accept both sides of the argument, is the preferred analytical method. The angry monkey bashing keys and calling people delusional/"like a Richmond supporter" is a more basic and flawed approach. Most people aren't doing that thankfully.

 

[Do the Dew]

nothing more useless than a poll, the ones with NDS will vote no, the honest will vote yes. He will prove it on the field

You sound scared to truly gauge bigfooty public opinion. That's ok, stay in your little safe space with your collingwood mates and keep circle-jerking about nicky.

 

[Fadge]

Since 2023:

Podium finishes: Daicos 7, Bont 4, Cripps 3

Brownlow Medal Betting: Daicos favourite for 85% of the time. (Like GAJ was between 2007 and 2009, and again between 2013 and 2014). Apart from GAJ and Daicos, no other player has had such dominance in this metric over an extended period of time in all my time watching footy.

Consensus from Top X Player lists:
End of 2023/Start of 2024 - Bont then Daicos
End of 2024/Start of 2025 - Bont and Daicos interchanging as #1
End of 2025/Start of 2026 - Daicos then Bont

If the likes of Cameron, Gawn and Andrews are the clear best players in their positions and therefore amongst the best players in the competition, why aren't they vying with Daicos at the top of the Top X players lists?

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Since 2023:

Podium finishes: Daicos 7, Bont 4, Cripps 3

Brownlow Medal Betting: Daicos favourite for 85% of the time. (Like GAJ was between 2007 and 2009, and again between 2013 and 2014).

Consensus from Top X Player lists:
End of 2023/Start of 2024 - Bont then Daicos
End of 2024/Start of 2025 - Bont and Daicos interchanging as #1
End of 2025/Start of 2026 - Daicos then Bont

If the likes of Cameron, Gawn and Andrews are the clear best players in their positions and therefore amongst the best players in the competition, why aren't they vying with Daicos at the top of the Top X players lists?

Didn’t Bont miss 6 games last year?

 

[doppleganger]

Every method of ranking players has pros and cons, benefits and limitations, value and caveats. Using all of them and seeing where there is agreement/consensus still has flaws itself, but is a viable approach.

Using "all of them" you mean like how you exclude coaches votes, Brownlow votes and media experts voting?

Iwhere you know someone is only interested in confirmation bias. There's only really one person doing that and it isn't you, so no need to worry.

The cherry picker has made it a bit obvious hasn't he.

And you appear to be adopting his preferred approach to "analysis".

It is absolutely correct to say that someone only using Player Ratings (this isn't me) would have a higher valuation of Daicos as a finals performer and a lower valuation of his seasons overall.

Not the good old cherry picker.

As guess what, he pivots from his precious player ratings to coaches votes for finals.

Much like if you only look at podium finishes in a series of awards, you'd determine that his season rankings were higher and finals performances quite poor in relative terms.

Not really, podium is top 3

According to coaches votes, Daicos again has multiple podium finishes in his finals to date.

A consistent theme whether in H&A or finals, coaches have Daicos in the best more than any other player across 2023-25.

As usual, finding a balance with what you focus on and the ability to accept both sides of the argument, is the preferred analytical method.

Accepting both sides of an argument is the preferred analytical method? What are you blabbering about?

The angry monkey bashing keys and calling people delusional/"like a Richmond supporter" is a more basic and flawed approach.

It is a simple identifier - grouping people who provide poor analysis, predominantly because they cherry pick their data - just tend to be Tiger supporters (perhaps the one poster with multiple accounts?).

 

[doppleganger]

They actually don’t though.
We’ve discussed this.

Meters gained the better approach?

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Meters gained the better approach?

As I’ve said watch the game.

Would anyone swap Buddy Riewoldt Brown for Daicos

No

Did they win a historic of awards no

 

[sr36]

You sound scared to truly gauge bigfooty public opinion. That's ok, stay in your little safe space with your collingwood mates and keep circle-jerking about nicky.

There was a poll. I don't think it got rolled over when it became the next part of the thread.

But a poll is irrelevant as judging by a lot of posts most saying no don't seem to understand the question and think it's asking whether he currently is the greatest ever.

And the question isn't even "will he". I'm not sure how anyone could actually vote no. Nick is clearly a realistic chance of improving and having the best career we've seen.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

There was a poll. I don't think it got rolled over when it became the next part of the thread.

But a poll is irrelevant as judging by a lot of posts most saying no don't seem to understand the question and think it's asking whether he currently is the greatest ever.

And the question isn't even "will he". I'm not sure how anyone could actually vote no. Nick is clearly a realistic chance of improving and having the best career we've seen.

Answers no to both.

 

[doppleganger]

As I’ve said watch the game.

Would anyone swap Buddy Riewoldt Brown for Daicos

No

What are you on about now?

Pies wouldn't swap Daicos for ALL three of those old washed up blokes in 2026, they are done.

Did they win a historic of awards no

Buddy was on another level to the other two. Buddy has 8 AA the equal most with GAJ and Gawn

The best forward, ruck and mid of the 21st century acknowledged with the most AAs.

Aint hard, the best players do receive accolades.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

What are you on about now?

Pies wouldn't swap Daicos for ALL three of those old washed up blokes in 2026, they are done.

Buddy was on another level to the other two. Buddy has 8 AA the equal most with GAJ and Gawn

The best forward, ruck and mid of the 21st century acknowledged with the most AAs.

Aint hard, the best players do receive accolades.

Well there you go he’s not better than Buddy or Riewoldt

 

[doppleganger]

There was a poll. I don't think it got rolled over when it became the next part of the thread.

But a poll is irrelevant as judging by a lot of posts most saying no don't seem to understand the question and think it's asking whether he currently is the greatest ever.

Only a nuffie would try and argue that a 2-3 season player is the greatest ever.

And the question isn't even "will he". I'm not sure how anyone could actually vote no. Nick is clearly a realistic chance of improving and having the best career we've seen.

Some think he doesn't biff and bash enough, and thus he will never be the best... regardless of whether he wins 5 AFLCA awards, 6 MVP etc.

He isn't the physical stature that they attribute with the "best" footballers.