Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

[CatToTheFuture]

Also hard at butters and Reid

Reid just signed, Butters ain't moving this year

 

[FootyLad0]

Reid just signed, Butters ain't moving this year

Don't know how many times it has to be said but Butters and Reid talk is just lame.
It's not happening, peeps need to move on.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

He kicked 37 and 41 goals in the previous 2 seasons. You’re daft.

He’s had a hard time this year because our best mid from the past 8 years has moved into his role.

He has struggled only because dangerfield went forward??


Very shallow logic

 

[And_ROOS]

I’m mildly annoyed that hawthorn is going hard at all these elite mids while we seem to be kicking our heels up going after B graders, and they seem to be willingly letting us take worpel off their hands without much of a fuss.

Isn't Worpel a FA? We are apparently offering 4 years and they are offering 3 and next year we will go hard at Butters.

A midfield of Holmes, Smith, Butters, Worpel, Atkins, Mullin, potentially but probably not Bruhn. Plus you occasionally have Paddy, Miers and Bowes through there.
And thats not including guys on the list who are young but could end up in there who are in those roles in the VFL like Knevitt, Clark and Stevens.

Thats some wild talent/depth.

Plus Dempsey could end up in the middle eventually as well.

 

[FootyLad0]

They're going after two contracted 30 year olds that's going to cost them four first round picks, if it even happens.

Good luck to them, but there are reasons we wouldn't be doing that.

Part of the reason we are the club we are is buying low, outside of the true best of the best in their prime with a long time left.

That's exactly it, Merrett is worth two firsts. Trac is worth two firsts.
They'd be absolutely going all in with this group and those players and hats off to them if they do.

 

[dudusmaximus]

That's exactly it, Merrett is worth two firsts. Trac is worth two firsts.
They'd be absolutely going all in with this group and those players and hats off to them if they do.

Would love for Sam Mitchell to eat some humble pie. West Coast and now Essendon. He's gone from sniping at players to sniping at clubs (for players). Crass.

 

[small 4wards]

Would love for Sam Mitchell to eat some humble pie. West Coast and now Essendon. He's gone from sniping at players to sniping at clubs (for players). Crass.

Mitchell has always been an arrogant campaigner, as a player and as a coach he's shown he's talented but also a fan of drinking his own bathwater like it's nectar.

 

[And_ROOS]

He has struggled only because dangerfield went forward??


Very shallow logic

I wouldn't say he has struggled but there definitely isn't a role for him. Danger has come in and effectively merged Gary Rohan and Ollie Henrys roles into one.
As a result theres no spot for him.

Neale and Cameron are the KPF, if Cameron got injured he could come in for him but not at his expense when fit, and he can't play Neales role.
He can't play Stengle, Close, Mannagh or Miers role when they are FP/HFF because he doesn't have their skill sets or open play goal sense.

What he could do but would need to lift his tank is he could do the same thing Dempsey does in regards to dragging his opponent forward and beating them with goal nous, especially since Henry and Dempsey can take pack marks (although I doubt Henry has the timing to score that volley'ed goal).

But honestly, look at the team and the line ups and tell me where Henry comes in? Dangerfield has absolutely taken his spot. If Danger was still a full time mid, that medium forward role wouldn't even be a sure thing for Henry because Martin can play that role too. And what hurts Henry is Martin can play off the HBF or wing, Henry can't.

 

[Warhorse]

Agree. My honest take on trade proposals here:

1) Information Asymmetry - Folks here have nowhere near the information that the Poach Brothers (Wellsy/Mack) have. Please don't tell me you are ITK (trade stuff is closely held). What you're stating as ITK is the feelers they are putting out. If you are rehashing what's in the Media, say so.

2) More prone to Cognitive Biases - E.g Anchoring. Someone comes along and says 3 First rounds and everyone starts from around that mark.

3) Discounting our Leverage - Like Turbocat said. The first rule of negotiation is to be able to walk away. Wellsy is just more polite than Mack in doing so. Also, you have no idea how badly the other party wants to sell and how much the impending deadline disproportionately impacts them. The Poach Brothers do.

4) Overpricing Players - Just because you think Player X is "crucial" doesn't make it so. There is always other options. I bet a lot of you overpriced Bailey while the Poach Brothers stuck to their guns.

5) Tunnel vision - You've no idea who/what is in the pipeline over the next few years, Salary Cap machinations etc. The Poach Brothers have everything strategised. It is their job.
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Please don't go all 1st Amendment on me. Of course, you are free to discuss at length on your opinions. They are just that. Opinions. Just as long as you don't lose your cool and get into flame wars over it.

I can only comment on the St Kilda side of things. I have no idea what Geelong are feeling. I just report here what I hear

 

[Turbocat]

what about a ned moyle? wont cost a lot in terms of picks or cash and GC need some later picks for bids, etc.

They have numerous players that would appeal to someone… and I would thnk there would at least a handfull they could trade before they would consider Moyle. If Witts went down or when he retires he is perfect for them

 

[dangerwood]

I'm very excited by the potential inclusion of Marshall. I get that he is 30 but things are changing, 30 isn't the retirement age it once was.

Stanley has been great but getting Marshall would be our best ruck since Ottens.

In addition to say, landing Butters or another gun mid, it's exactly what we need going into next year.

I know people don't want to lose a trade, but this is a great outcome for Geelong. It could honestly be a premiership.

Hopefully Conway can get his body right, but we can't have any confidence that will happen. Trading in a 30 year old ruck is perfect. Will still be handy for a few years whilst one of the other big boys hopefully comes good.

Think Geelong will get it done and they should. Will likely be more than what many here are wanting to give but if he is on our list next year without losing a top 22 player.... we're doing well!

 

[supahoops]

Jeez not a lot of love in here for edwards

Wasn’t much love for Neale not that long ago from the usual suspects.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Wasn’t much love for Neale not that long ago from the usual suspects.

I think everyone loves Edwards, they're just realistic about his body development.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I’m mildly annoyed that hawthorn is going hard at all these elite mids while we seem to be kicking our heels up going after B graders, and they seem to be willingly letting us take worpel off their hands without much of a fuss.

Merrett wont get traded and I'm not convinced petracca is worth what he will cost. Besides we dont have Carlton pick 8 to trade.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Wasn’t much love for Neale not that long ago from the usual suspects.

We all love Edwards but he is not physically ready to be a lead ruck in 2026 and we need a ruck to do that.

 

[iameviljez]

Jeez not a lot of love in here for edwards

Lots of potential, but nowhere near ready for AFL. It'll be like Tim English's first year, but without the around-the-ground ability.

 

[iameviljez]

I’m mildly annoyed that hawthorn is going hard at all these elite mids while we seem to be kicking our heels up going after B graders, and they seem to be willingly letting us take worpel off their hands without much of a fuss.

We got Bailey Smith last you, and there is every chance that we are absolutely knee-deep into Zac Butters. There is quite literally a limit (a dollar amount, above all else) to how many superstars you can buy.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

This is interesting because I think there’s a good chance we may make that trade and I also think Marshall is worth that.

Gawn aside who’s been a better ruckmen the last 5 years? He’s 29 turning 30 and rucks don’t seem to get going until 26-27 these days. Ruck is really one of the few missing pieces we have IMO. Worth paying for.

A pick in the 20s plus a later pick in a crap draft is fine for marshall and we have heaps of cap space.

 

[iameviljez]

Agree. My honest take on trade proposals here:

1) Information Asymmetry - Folks here have nowhere near the information that the Poach Brothers (Wellsy/Mack) have. Please don't tell me you are ITK (trade stuff is closely held). What you're stating as ITK is the feelers they are putting out. If you are rehashing what's in the Media, say so.

No no no, I disagree - one of the most fun parts of BigFooty are those claiming to be very much In The Know. It's not trade time unless you hear it from Wellsy's mum's dogwalker's third nephew once removed!

 

[thegerman]

He has struggled only because dangerfield went forward??


Very shallow logic

as much as wanting to get rid of him over one average season. Absolute nuffie thoughts.

 

[Hamingja]

Could see O.Henry coming in for the sub role in the Prelim.

Hope not as it would mean we had 3 or 4 injuries in the prelim.

If the club saw that Ollie had a role to play this season they would have picked him against Richmond.

Instead they have settled on Bews, Clark and Knevitt being the finals back ups and have been shuffling the deck to keep them ticking over since the Sydney game.

 

[Hamingja]

They're going after two contracted 30 year olds that's going to cost them four first round picks, if it even happens.

Good luck to them, but there are reasons we wouldn't be doing that.

Part of the reason we are the club we are is buying low, outside of the true best of the best in their prime with a long time left.

Targetting contracted players is always going to be tough. The Hawks have low key been chasing mids forever without luck.

If you want one at a reasonable cost they have to be OOC. Since there are no decent OOC mids left, that is why we are in for Worpel as a FA.

 

[thegerman]

Hope not as it would mean we had 3 or 4 injuries in the prelim.

If the club saw that Ollie had a role to play this season they would have picked him against Richmond.

Instead they have settled on Bews, Clark and Knevitt being the finals back ups and have been shuffling the deck to keep them ticking over since the Sydney game.

It would need to be an injury to a similar forward player for him to get in now. Alas, some in here are willing to trade him after one average season, after kicking 40 goals a season from the previous 2 seasons.

Crazy.

If we trade players after one average season we’d have no players. We’d be bottom of the ladder.

 

[thegerman]

Do not jinx it. The Geelong curse is a few months away from giving him a degenerative bone condition

I was touching wood whilst wearing a foil hat

 

[standupand]

Targetting contracted players is always going to be tough. The Hawks have low key been chasing mids forever without luck.

If you want one at a reasonable cost they have to be OOC. Since there are no decent OOC mids left, that is why we are in for Worpel as a FA.

It seems odd to me though that if the Hawks have been chasing mids for so long, why they are prepared to let one of their own go?