Review Winners and Losers 2025 draft

[txbyhull]

Wouldn’t have traded down in 2022, should’ve taken Sheezle or Wardlaw

A player that did not went to come to WA and a guy thats played 30 odd games but is a solid B mid at 21 vs one of the best third tall defenders u21 played 64 games and a solid B fwd/mid thats played more games than Wardlaw. I would take our guys every day.

Wouldn’t have traded down in 2024 could’ve taken Jagga or Langford

Jagga who we have no idea how he is going to turn out at AFL level yet. I like Langford and had us taking him at the time but given we took Baker as well as Bo and Gross with the results of pick 3, the impact of Langford on our midfield is not greater than the impact Baker, Bo and Gross are likely to have. I'll give you half a point.

Would have trade down from pick 2 this year could’ve taken Cummings Sharp or Robey

Who was trading up for 2 for appropriate value? No one, not only that but the guys haven't even played a game so we don't know if Sharp ends up flaming out like others of his archetype, if Robey even sticks with midfield, or if Cumming plays much mid in his first year. I think this one is way too early to tell.

You could have a midfield of Harley Sheezle/Wardlaw, Jagga/Langford and one of Cummings Sharp Robey

Harley yes, Sheezel wouldn't come, Wardlaw played less than Hewett, Jagga hasn't played a game, Langford is great, Sharp won't be providing anything in his first year that Robertson can't even if I love him as a prospect, Cumming plays the Hewett role probably leaning further inside and likely would've rotated with each other, Robey I don't know if he will be playing much mid straight away but I could see him rotating with a Harley.

Either way on talent and production right now I would take our picks.

Any combination of those players above and you’d just about have the best young midfield in the league
Instead of the the worst midfield in the league and Hewitt Ginbey and Baker Allen

I think you're doing a mix of severely underrating our players that don't play midfield, severely overrating the impact of one player for the loss of 2, and going way too early on Jagga, Bo, Cumming, CDT, Robey and Sharp.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Not that simple, we have 27 players at 22 years or less and only 17 players older with only 3 above 28yrs.

If we got rid of those players for 2 more 18 year Olds we'd be unbalancing our list perhaps too much, also delisting 2 rucks would create further list imbalance.

I don't think a club should make too many changes in a single year, even one as bad as ours. We need to allow the players we've recruited the last few years to get opportunity to prove if they're quality or not, then start making further cuts and drafting on needs.

I get that but the reality is the other players such as Cole etc are simply list cloggers who will have no role when wce eventually play finals again. They are better off delisting them to make room for young players to get the exposure needed.

 

[Bad Seed]

Don't know about others but I am pleasantly pleased with the Hawks haul.

20		Cameron Nairn	FWD	188 cm	15/10/2007	Central District (SANFL), Willaston Football Club
23		Aidan Schubert	KEYF	198 cm	21/12/2007	Central District (SANFL), Gawler Central Football Club
34		Jack Dalton	MID	178 cm	05/04/2007	Sandringham Dragons (Coates Talent League), East Malvern Junior Football Club
56		Matthew LeRay	MID	188 cm	22/02/2007	Central District (SANFL), Golden Grove Football Club

and Ollie greaves in Rookie Draft who may end up debuting before the others if he proves himself in preseason & at Box Hill.

and got 2 F2's to add to next years raid on Humphreys or the less likely Butters. Hopefuly Blues slid down and aare happy with the Compo pick for Walsh to let him to move to us as well.

Then if needed, Merret to join as FA in 2027 for a token salary for all the sh1t his manager put us thru insisting to play by his game instead of ours. Didn't take our warning of Dons will try to screw us over which they did when they reneged on their asking price after we met it. Any club dealing with them in future will want deals to be done well before end. Could have got Trac instead.

Melbourne got pick 6 + 7 + F1 for Trac. Which was miles better than the garbage Hawks dished up for Merrett.

 

[txbyhull]

Melbourne got pick 6 + 7 + F1 for Trac. Which was miles better than the garbage Hawks dished up for Merrett.

Yeah I was about confused by that one. No idea how Hawks think they would’ve beaten that offer

 

[hawkinoz]

Melbourne got pick 6 + 7 + F1 for Trac. Which was miles better than the garbage Hawks dished up for Merrett.

and in return gave 3 F2's.


Either way, Dons wanted X price, hawks met that price and Merret's manager, Petoro was overjoyed as he shook hands.. Cal at Gettable was disappointed that a deal seems to be made which was at odds with the deepthroat who was feeding him info.

Then Dons list management team was overruled by Deepthroat and deal was off. Soon enough Petoro was angry and Cal tried to frame it as angry at Hawks on Live TV. Petoro instead shot off a msg to Riley Beverige who half read it out that showed he was angry at Deepthroat.

Again to reiterate, Dons list manager named a price, hawks met it and then it all got over ruled.

 

[dean33]

Wouldn’t have traded down in 2022, should’ve taken Sheezle or Wardlaw

Wouldn’t have traded down in 2024 could’ve taken Jagga or Langford

Would have trade down from pick 2 this year could’ve taken Cummings Sharp or Robey

You could have a midfield of Harley Sheezle/Wardlaw, Jagga/Langford and one of Cummings Sharp Robey

Any combination of those players above and you’d just about have the best young midfield in the league
Instead of the the worst midfield in the league and Hewitt Ginbey and Baker Allen

Who's jagga smith? The kid who has yet to debut?
Do you want to know something, Richmond never considered him as he gets a lot of it but does nothing with it.
He's going to be the next tom Mitchell, which isnt terrible but not a needle mover either.

 

[thistimeforsure]

We added Duursma and CDT, the 2 best talents in the open pool who'll both play in the midfield.

There weren't any other 'elite' mids this year.

We're also 2 years into a rebuild under the new team. The last lot had no plan whatsoever.

Like I said, we could just keep adding elite mids like Carlton have for 2 decades and achieve nothing but I think the club actually has a plan.

Lol the biggest and wrongest WC apologist on BF says …… wait for it

THIS TIME WE GOT IT RIGHT !!!!

Those OTHER 300 WC posters melting on draft night don’t know what they’re talking about

I may have been completely wrong about WC’s prospects a million times in the last 6 yrs but … hey hey

THIS TIME FOR SURE

 

[txbyhull]

Lol the biggest and wrongest WC apologist on BF says …… wait for it

THIS TIME WE GOT IT RIGHT !!!!

Those OTHER 300 WC posters melting on draft night don’t know what they’re talking about

I may have been completely wrong about WC’s prospects a million times in the last 6 yrs but … hey hey

THIS TIME FOR SURE

Everyone was melting on draft night because of the romantics of passing on a father son, but I think you’d find that after having sat for a few days most posters are pretty bloody happy with the players we did get

 

[dean33]

Everyone was melting on draft night because of the romantics of passing on a father son, but I think you’d find that after having sat for a few days most posters are pretty bloody happy with the players we did get

I think most supporters are the same, people have an idea of who they want or are getting based on mock drafts/cal twomey and fox footy lab rankings. When clubs stray away from that fans throw their arms up in the air even though clubs know much more about their list and their own rankings than fox footy lab.
We had the same thing when we overlooked robey however most of us are very happy with our selections now.

 

[Morro]

I see a few comments regarding the Tigs over looking Robey. We dont need another KPF and that is what he will be at AFL level and the Bombers took him to partner with Caddy.

He is expected to grow to 194cms and is a very good forward already. I posted on our board before the draft that we were not taking Robey and the bombers knew it. If we thought he could be a mid at AFL level we would have taken him, the bombers also dont expect him to be.

 

[SSSSSS]

I see a few comments regarding the Tigs over looking Robey. We dont need another KPF and that is what he will be at AFL level and the Bombers took him to partner with Caddy.

He is expected to grow to 194cms and is a very good forward already. I posted on our board before the draft that we were not taking Robey and the bombers knew it. If we thought he could be a mid at AFL level we would have taken him, the bombers also dont expect him to be.

I'm pretty sure the Bombers have picked Robey up on the potential he can play as a mid resting forward. Think Rayner/DeGoey.

If they want to partner him up with Caddy why wouldn't they pick Schubert who was the consensus best KPF in the draft?

 

[Morro]

I'm pretty sure the Bombers have picked Robey up on the potential he can play as a mid resting forward. Think Rayner/DeGoey.

If they want to partner him up with Caddy why wouldn't they pick Schubert who was the consensus best KPF in the draft?

I am only sharing what I was told day before the draft by someone who would 100% know and so far it has proven to be 100% on the money. It wasnt my opinion and fwiw I wanted Robey, but not when I was told neither the Bombers or Tigers thnk he will make it as a mid. He also lacks the explosive pace of the 2 you mentioned,

EDIT: Robey is very Caddy like up forward IMO.

 

[FlyHigh18]

I miss the days when Essendon clearly won the draft with Gumbleton, Jetta, Hislop, Davey, Houli, and Reimers.

And Port had monumentally stuffed the same one by selecting Boak and Robbie Gray.

what do you mean "the days". they're still winning the draft to this today.

this has been their best haul since successfully rebuilding with cox, perkins and reid in 2020.

 

[Petrify]

Sharp ran a really good 2km time today at Essendons' training. Didn't do a 2km at the combine. One of the main criticisms on him was his running power so I do wonder if he would've gone higher if he ran the 2km at the combine

 

[danster168]

Melbourne got pick 6 + 7 + F1 for Trac. Which was miles better than the garbage Hawks dished up for Merrett.

We gave back a F2 though which is about the same as Gold coasts F1 but yeah, very happy with what we got for Trac. And we got Xavier Taylor which I think we would've taken at 3 or 4 if we had an earlier pick.

 

[kirbatron]

Melbourne got pick 6 + 7 + F1 for Trac. Which was miles better than the garbage Hawks dished up for Merrett.

Stupid take & not at all comparable.

GC knew it had 2 kids in the top 6 & had to trade them out. Got back three seconds.

GC are playing with a different currency.

 

[Petrify]

I am only sharing what I was told day before the draft by someone who would 100% know and so far it has proven to be 100% on the money. It wasnt my opinion and fwiw I wanted Robey, but not when I was told neither the Bombers or Tigers thnk he will make it as a mid. He also lacks the explosive pace of the 2 you mentioned,

EDIT: Robey is very Caddy like up forward IMO.

Robey absolutely has pace and is nothing like Caddy athletically at all. Some recruiters draw comparisons to Finn Callaghan with the way that Robey moves.

 

[joey_jo_jo]

Robey absolutely has pace and is nothing like Caddy athletically at all. Some recruiters draw comparisons to Finn Callaghan with the way that Robey moves.

But he heard it from someone who 100% know!

 

[bzparkes]

Lol the biggest and wrongest WC apologist on BF says …… wait for it

THIS TIME WE GOT IT RIGHT !!!!

Those OTHER 300 WC posters melting on draft night don’t know what they’re talking about

I may have been completely wrong about WC’s prospects a million times in the last 6 yrs but … hey hey

THIS TIME FOR SURE

Dumb comment.

Those same melters were melting we weren't smashing teams by more in '18.

Perhaps you should try getting a clue.

 

[SSSSSS]

I am only sharing what I was told day before the draft by someone who would 100% know and so far it has proven to be 100% on the money. It wasnt my opinion and fwiw I wanted Robey, but not when I was told neither the Bombers or Tigers thnk he will make it as a mid. He also lacks the explosive pace of the 2 you mentioned,

EDIT: Robey is very Caddy like up forward IMO.

I feel like just watching Robey he's got great explosive power, just poor top line speed.

Robey absolutely has pace and is nothing like Caddy athletically at all. Some recruiters draw comparisons to Finn Callaghan with the way that Robey moves.

3.1 second 20m sprint isn't exactly speedy. As above though I think he's got great power in the first couple of steps which is really all you need to get the ball from the inside to the outside.

 

[bzparkes]

I feel like just watching Robey he's got great explosive power, just poor top line speed.



3.1 second 20m sprint isn't exactly speedy. As above though I think he's got great power in the first couple of steps which is really all you need to get the ball from the inside to the outside.

His combine results were a bit misleading, tbf. Had a fractured shoulder when he did his testing.

 

[SSSSSS]

His combine results were a bit misleading, tbf. Had a fractured shoulder when he did his testing.

Yeh that's definitely going to shave a bit of time off.

Still just watching him I wouldn't say his pace/agility is his strength.

I don't agree with the idea that he's been earmarked as a KPF and KPF only. Surely if that were the case the Bombers would select the best KPF of the crop (especially one with a huge scope for development given he barely made the cut off to be drafted as a late December baby).

 

[Petrify]

I don't agree with the idea that he's been earmarked as a KPF and KPF only. Surely if that were the case the Bombers would select the best KPF of the crop (especially one with a huge scope for development given he barely made the cut off to be drafted as a late December baby).

He's been spoken about openly by the club as a midfielder who can roll forward. I do agree he's not like a De Goey or Rayner type player as others have mentioned. I think he's more like a Bont in terms of will spend most of his time in the middle but rest up forward and be an annoying matchup for a defender because of his size.

 

[Morro]

Robey absolutely has pace and is nothing like Caddy athletically at all. Some recruiters draw comparisons to Finn Callaghan with the way that Robey moves.

He doesnt, and he is nothing like Finn.

But he heard it from someone who 100% know!

I shared before the draft even happened when everyone had us taking him, I confirmed we weren't. I couldn't care less if you believe me, I was only sharing incase it was of interest, no need to be a flog, its not my fault.

I feel like just watching Robey he's got great explosive power, just poor top line speed.



3.1 second 20m sprint isn't exactly speedy. As above though I think he's got great power in the first couple of steps which is really all you need to get the ball from the inside to the outside.

Funny as I see it the opposite. He would look far better over 100m than over 20m

His combine results were a bit misleading, tbf. Had a fractured shoulder when he did his testing.

I thought that also, yet he himself confirmed it wasnt a hindrance.

Yeh that's definitely going to shave a bit of time off.

Still just watching him I wouldn't say his pace/agility is his strength.

I don't agree with the idea that he's been earmarked as a KPF and KPF only. Surely if that were the case the Bombers would select the best KPF of the crop (especially one with a huge scope for development given he barely made the cut off to be drafted as a late December baby).

I think he does, he crashed packs at pace, has great hands, could easily make a very good CHF

 

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