2016 Draft discussion

[Len S]

Quigley what risks do you see with Coxy? I found it interesting to hear what the Rebels coach had to say about him being driven to success.

Sounds like you weren't overly rapt with the draft. I liked the Rebels theme and the fact -like we usually do- found some sliders..

We have the system in place now to give these young guys every chance which is the most important thing I guess.

Cox is a wonderful story to date.His relationship with teachers, and self initiative , are incredibly refreshing.Its a long way from Halls Creek ,to Camperdown,to Brisbane alone.Love his courage and persistence . Perhaps many kids in the system , even with the support,are going nowhere at their own pace.Its great when kids like Cox and Reuban come through.

 

[singaport]

While the common perception is that they are HB types i was wondering if any of the pick ups were recruited to go forward ,maybe berry!!
or do you see it more like they would free up someone who can?

 

[Skoob]

Have these kids signed an extension yet?

 

[Cockliff38]

Great function , it was a bit like grand final eve in the lead up,Sam Lord and team did a great job , as Mikey mentioned. Having the recruiting boys there with special comments in the breaks added to the drama. I thought we nailed it brilliantly , and that was the feeling of the room.Especially when Berry came through . The recruiting dept.set it up very well.I think the bid on Watson would have been to expensive, at that stage, Allison was luckier . Ballendon being there next year was a factor also.Lyon is a very good footballer , and a goal kicker and may prove a bonus.Hinge was in contention maybe he'll get a rookie spot. Funny he wasn't picked at all. Think there will be a massive , positive flow on from this draft.Also think we overlooked tbe right ones !

SHHH

 

[a mayes ing]

What a great haul, was nervous that we Berry and Witherden would be gone by our pick 16 but we landed them both. My smoky for the 1st senior game is Cox. Completly different to any player on our list, x-factor.

 

[SizeMatters]

While the common perception is that they are HB types i was wondering if any of the pick ups were recruited to go forward ,maybe berry!!
or do you see it more like they would free up someone who can?

I think Berry sees himself as a midfielder going forward. Has the size and running capacity but not sure on his contested or ball winning ability though.

 

[peasantbruh69]

I don't mean to be rude but is mcluggage part asian? Just has that look about him, I'm curious

 

[luthor]

I don't mean to be rude but is mcluggage part asian? Just has that look about him, I'm curious

Don't know about part Asian but I'm confident he's part Scottish

 

[scott_the_man]

I don't mean to be rude but is mcluggage part asian? Just has that look about him, I'm curious

Nope. I see what you mean though

 

[Len S]

I think Berry sees himself as a midfielder going forward. Has the size and running capacity but not sure on his contested or ball winning ability though.

Lyon definitely , loves a goal and kicks them

 

[Milk Steak]

I don't mean to be rude but is mcluggage part asian? Just has that look about him, I'm curious

Plays a lot like Lin Jong

 

[singaport]

Lyon definitely , loves a goal and kicks them

Ahh - forgot the homophone

 

[captainrich]

fantastic draft was pretty giddy going to bed last night

hopefully we take Scharenberg, Liam Ryan and a mature key defender in the rookie draft

shame tom stewart went

 

[pulpdriver]

Liam Ryan, Bertolii-Simmonds and Nate Dennis would be a nice finish to an impressive draft period imo.

 

[Quigley]

Quigley what risks do you see with Coxy? I found it interesting to hear what the Rebels coach had to say about him being driven to success.

Sounds like you weren't overly rapt with the draft. I liked the Rebels theme and the fact -like we usually do- found some sliders..

We have the system in place now to give these young guys every chance which is the most important thing I guess.

I have not talked with him directly nor asked anyone who has so I could easily be off base. He has moved around a fair bit and seems to have trouble adapting. He moved from Falls Creek to Perth to go to school and by his own admission he had trouble fitting in and did not perform at his best on the field. He then went back to Falls Creek after he finished school before deciding to go up to Darwin and play in the summer season up there. He lasted a couple of months before he packed it in and went back to Falls Creek. In Darwin he was not comfortable with the drugs and alcohol at the place he was staying according to him and decided to go home where he bummed around last year doing not much. This year he followed up an ex-teacher from Perth who was now in Vic and went down there to give it a good go as a 19 year old. Credit to him he did very well but I do think there is a pattern of him having trouble adjusting to change and new groups. He presents as a risk and I hope that we have a careful adjustment plan in place for him to give him the best chance of succeeding.

 

[TheZork]

I have not talked with him directly nor asked anyone who has so I could easily be off base. He has moved around a fair bit and seems to have trouble adapting. He moved from Falls Creek to Perth to go to school and by his own admission he had trouble fitting in and did not perform at his best on the field. He then went back to Falls Creek after he finished school before deciding to go up to Darwin and play in the summer season up there. He lasted a couple of months before he packed it in and went back to Falls Creek. In Darwin he was not comfortable with the drugs and alcohol at the place he was staying according to him and decided to go home where he bummed around last year doing not much. This year he followed up an ex-teacher from Perth who was now in Vic and went down there to give it a good go as a 19 year old. Credit to him he did very well but I do think there is a pattern of him having trouble adjusting to change and new groups. He presents as a risk and I hope that we have a careful adjustment plan in place for him to give him the best chance of succeeding.

I see it more as a pattern of trying to get the best out of himself, he evidently struggled but also probably had a bit of growing up to do, not every 18 year-old is mature enough for the AFL hence the draft age being a hot topic. The combination of moving 4000km from home to become an AFL player, doing early morning shifts and his coach saying that he is extremely driven is enough for me.

 

[chopperduck]

Was gonna say i thought i read something about him going to Vic with a previous teacher. I think the positive is that he has still kept trying and atleast has the drive and want to get away. seemed to go well this year with better people around him, could flourish in a professional full time environment.

If he fails, it wont be from a lack of trying. if our club can be half competent in his development and welfare i think he will be fine.

We said we wanted good character and skills in this draft, cant say we didnt nail the brief.

 

[POBT]

An awful lot of kids enter the workforce with no life experience. They live at home for free all through school and uni. Any work they've done is simply to allow them to live a lifestyle, as opposed to paying the rent and getting food on the table.

There's nothing wrong with that. A supportive home life which allows a kid to
focus totally on their education or sport is clearly beneficial in a lot of respects.

But I have to admit that I really like to see
kids who have gone through some tough times and come out the other end as better people. To me, they've often had to grow up quicker and have been exposed to the pressures of life. Maybe they've
made a few mistakes and maybe they've not been quite as successful at school or in sport as their mates. But I think you have to take their personal history into account and also give them bonus points for developing resilience.

 

[topend]

Was gonna say i thought i read something about him going to Vic with a previous teacher. I think the positive is that he has still kept trying and atleast has the drive and want to get away. seemed to go well this year with better people around him, could flourish in a professional full time environment.

If he fails, it wont be from a lack of trying. if our club can be half competent in his development and welfare i think he will be fine.

We said we wanted good character and skills in this draft, cant say we didnt nail the brief.

I have not talked with him directly nor asked anyone who has so I could easily be off base. He has moved around a fair bit and seems to have trouble adapting. He moved from Falls Creek to Perth to go to school and by his own admission he had trouble fitting in and did not perform at his best on the field. He then went back to Falls Creek after he finished school before deciding to go up to Darwin and play in the summer season up there. He lasted a couple of months before he packed it in and went back to Falls Creek. In Darwin he was not comfortable with the drugs and alcohol at the place he was staying according to him and decided to go home where he bummed around last year doing not much. This year he followed up an ex-teacher from Perth who was now in Vic and went down there to give it a good go as a 19 year old. Credit to him he did very well but I do think there is a pattern of him having trouble adjusting to change and new groups. He presents as a risk and I hope that we have a careful adjustment plan in place for him to give him the best chance of succeeding.

That would be Halls Creek as in WA the East Kimberley. Small town of approx 3000 people. A huge jump for Cedric making the moves he has from Halls Creek to Perth 3000km away and then to Ballarat ( who knows how far). He has experienced some huge changes over the years but then again you look at the homesick other AFL footballers who don't cope with being in Perth when they grew up in Sydney or some other major city, it's not unusual. The fact he didn't hang around Darwin due to alcohol and drugs is a real credit as it obvious he had ideas and expectations in life and where he wants to go. Wish him all the best for the season.

 

[topend]

I don't mean to be rude but is mcluggage part asian? Just has that look about him, I'm curious

Why would you post this. What difference does it make. Going on your picture are you part muppet?

 

[JasperBeardly]

An awful lot of kids enter the workforce with no life experience. They live at home for free all through school and uni. Any work they've done is simply to allow them to live a lifestyle, as opposed to paying the rent and getting food on the table.

There's nothing wrong with that. A supportive home life which allows a kid to focus totally on their education or sport is clearly beneficial in a lot of respects.

But I have to admit that I really like to see kids who have gone through some tough times and come out the other end as better people. To me, they've often had to grow up quicker and have been exposed to the pressures of life. Maybe they've made a few mistakes and maybe they've not been quite as successful at school or in sport as their mates. But I think you have to take their personal history into account and also give them bonus points for developing resilience.

I heard Brett Anderson on radio the other day say that the two key attributes clubs look at when assessing how potential draftees are likely to adapt to the full time professional environment, cope with moving interstate etc, are drive and resilience.

 

[Milk Steak]

Why would you post this. What difference does it make. Going on your picture are you part muppet?

Relax, take it down a notch. It doesn't make a difference,but harmless question.

 

[peasantbruh69]

Why would you post this. What difference does it make. Going on your picture are you part muppet?

pull your head out of your arse you sook. I'm of chinese decent myself I was just curious

 

[topend]

pull your head out of your arse you sook. I'm of chinese decent myself I was just curious

Sure thing Bert

 

[carnthemlions]

An awful lot of kids enter the workforce with no life experience. They live at home for free all through school and uni. Any work they've done is simply to allow them to live a lifestyle, as opposed to paying the rent and getting food on the table.

There's nothing wrong with that. A supportive home life which allows a kid to
focus totally on their education or sport is clearly beneficial in a lot of respects.

But I have to admit that I really like to see
kids who have gone through some tough times and come out the other end as better people. To me, they've often had to grow up quicker and have been exposed to the pressures of life. Maybe they've
made a few mistakes and maybe they've not been quite as successful at school or in sport as their mates. But I think you have to take their personal history into account and also give them bonus points for developing resilience.

I'm not a huge fan of the emphasis the AFL industry places on the importance of 'high character' players who happened to go to the right sort of school. The fact that a player went to Brighton Grammar/Scotch College/wherever should mean absolutely nothing.