Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[Blue_Fusion]

I agree. I'd like to see us get another pick in the single digits, and grab Marshall at 4.

A good Mid (or Ainsworth) is going to slide down to 7/8 or so.

Id also like to see us with two picks in the teens (preferably back to back) to pick up another mid and another forward.

We have McKay, C.Curnow and Ben Silvagni coming up. Don't you think adding Marshall will only make us too top heavy?

 

[Azul]

Hard to judge whether Marshall is the real deal or spoken so highly due to the dearth of tall forwards in this year's draft. Might be a reach?

I'm talking out of my backside, as usual, but I'm just wondering how he rates on the scale of 198-201cm power forwards that seem all the rage these past few years.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Hard to judge whether Marshall is the real deal or spoken so highly due to the dearth of tall forwards in this year's draft. Might be a reach?

I'm talking out of my backside, as usual, but I'm just wondering how he rates on the scale of 198-201cm power forwards that seem all the rage these past few years.

Don't know how much you rate Twomey's opinion but he reckons Marshall would go after Scache but before H.McKay if he was in last year's pool.

 

[zeeCFC]

Keep 4, trade for another pick in the late teens/early 20s.

If we somehow get 4 GWS kids and draft Ainsworth, Clarke and a Powell-Pepper we'll be in a much better place.

 

[Azul]

Don't know how much you rate Twomey's opinion but he reckons Marshall would go after Scache but before H.McKay if he was in last year's pool.

Ok, cheers. I guess I'm inclined to wait and see on Harry before committing to drafting another of similar size or making doubly sure he is 'the one'.

I feel we're more in need of a classically sized forward like Waite/Henderson with good endurance than using a high pick on a giraffe. As it is I'm not sure how we play Korcheck and McKay out of the same goalsquare.

 

[Malifice]

We have McKay, C.Curnow and Ben Silvagni coming up. Don't you think adding Marshall will only make us too top heavy?

Thats one key forward and two half forwards.

We dont know if McKay is going to make it, or how good he's going to be if he does. We likely wont know for another 2-3 years. He could be the next Cameron. He could be the next Gumbleton.

GWS didnt settle for one. They got in 4 specific KPFs (two as pick ones). Boyd left (and there are still question marks), Patton did his knee. Cameron made it. McCarthy fled back to Freo.

We need 2 Key tall Forwards. Leaving aside the benefits of development (get them competing aginst each other for spots) its the perfect time to get them (early in a rebuild so they can bulk up and develop). Odds are that only one will make it (and we'll still be pretty lucky), but from the clubs position we're a better chance that we'll have a gun tall forward than we are now.

Dont get me wrong; we need mids also; I just see that as not a pressing concern in the near future. Cripps is locked in on a long term deal, and Daisy, Curnow, Murphy, Gibbs and Kruezer are good placeholders for a few more years yet while we get more in. Cunningham and Boekhoest are developing. Mids can come in and contribute straight away. After 2 seasons they're at 90 percent the player the're going to become.

Also; mids are easier to get via Free Agency and trades. At least 3-4 go every year (Treloar, Danger last year, JOM, Prestia this year etc). Talls dont come up that often. If we hit 2020 nd need another mid or two, we can trade one in easily. Getting a key forward across is next to impossible unless you have COLA.

Worst case scenario is both make it and we have a very valuable trde commodity on our hands (assuming we dont want to do a Buddy/ Tippett). We traded the last one we had for Henderson (traded last year for a 1st rounder) and a 1st rounder. The one before that got us Chris Judd.

I want 4 picks inside the top 25. One for a KPF (Marshall looks likely) one for a small marking forward/ Full forwrd (Battle/ Ainsworth) and two Mids (Venables plus one more).

 

[Jeremias]

I miss Blano. The NB miss him too.

Also looks to be putting together a reasonable year at WAFL level. Looked good at VFL level but struggled to replicate that when playing for the senior side.

 

[BluesRule]

If you want to look at how Ainsworth will progress into the AFL look at Billings today... he's alright, but makes no overall impact on the game really.

He reminds me more of Dusty Martin from the Tiges...

 

[BlackGoanna]

Thats one key forward and two half forwards

I want 4 picks inside the top 25. One for a KPF (Marshall looks likely) one for a small marking forward/ Full forwrd (Battle/ Ainsworth) and two Mids (Venables plus one more).

I am reading alot of this? How do we obtain these picks? We have no currency for trade. Gibbs has been our best player this year, considering he will be 28 going into next season the most we could expect is a pick in the teens. Would you really consider trading Gibbs for a pick in the teens? Tuohy is a similar age, he may get a late 2nd round pick... again is it worth it? I just don't see any value in trading away our decent players and get short changed.

I'd be happy with Ainsworth with our 1st pick, best available Mid with 2nd pick and try and upgrade out the two 3rd round picks with another high 2nd rounder.

I wouldn't be against trading away our 1st pick in 2017 if we could get some GWS talent. That would depend on the mix of players

 

[Malifice]

I am reading alot of this? How do we obtain these picks? We have no currency for trade. Gibbs has been our best player this year, considering he will be 28 going into next season the most we could expect is a pick in the teens.

Would you really consider trading Gibbs for a pick in the teens?

Yes, I would. We could ask for Adelaides 15 and 33, and hand back 49. They'd take it in a heartbeat. He'd be the difference between a flag and bust while Walker, Betts, Jacobs etc are all up and about.

Tuohy is a similar age, he may get a late 2nd round pick... again is it worth it?

You are criminally underrating Touhy. He's worth a pick around the 20 mark. Sydneys pick 16 will work, and we can hand back pick 49 to even it out. Touhy has about the same value as Yarran, less Yarrans medical and off field issues.

Those two trades would leave us with 4, 15, 16, 22, 33, 76

Pick 33 and Pick 15 are worth 1,600 points. We then on-trade those picks to GWS for pick 8 (Pies) which is worth 1,551 points.

We're left with 4, 8, 15, 22, 76

From there, I'd trade Casboult for a late second/ early third for a 5th pick in the 30's. Lets say the Hawks nibble with their second rounder at 35 for a 1 year replacement for Roughy:

4, 8, 15, 22, 35, 76

At that point its a question of depth. Id trade out next years 2nd rounder to GWS along with pick 22 for (Marchbank, Tomlinson, Steele).

In: Marchbank, Tomlinson, Steele, 4, 8, 15, 35, 76 (Byrne upgrade),
Out: Gibbs, Touhy, Casboult, 2017 second rounder.

 

[SickQwon]

Draft watchers.

Who has the best kick/disposal in the draft that will be top 10?

 

[LemmingMaster]

Draft watchers.

Who has the best kick/disposal in the draft that will be top 10?

SPS, Ainsworth.... Maybe those two are my top two kicks.

 

[LemmingMaster]

If you want to look at how Ainsworth will progress into the AFL look at Billings today... he's alright, but makes no overall impact on the game really.

Billings and Ainsworth don't play in the same way.

Ainsworth is closer to Jamie Elliot with the potential for Chapman.

 

[Gethelred]

Ainsworth is a little brick

Looks like a combination of McGlynn and Brad Johnson.

Am interested.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Don't know how much you rate Twomey's opinion but he reckons Marshall would go after Scache but before H.McKay if he was in last year's pool.

More to do with McKay's relative lack of exposure. Didn't he only play U18 championships because someone else was injured? Harry was all about potential.

 

[LemmingMaster]

More to do with McKay's relative lack of exposure. Didn't he only play U18 championships because someone else was injured? Harry was all about potential.

Problem with Harry was his lack of scoreboard impact and that is my main query with him as well.

 

[Azul]

Problem with Harry was his lack of scoreboard impact and that is my main query with him as well.

Anyone else think we drafted McKay as our #1 ruckman by stealth?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Anyone else think we drafted McKay as our #1 ruckman by stealth?

Has been compared to Drew Petrie in that he takes the ball at its highest peak but is also very quick, good at his feet and excels at defensive pressure. Knock was his kicking so that is a concern. Did spend time pinch hitting in the ruck last year which drew comparisons to the role Vickery plays at Richmond (hopefully not a direct comparison talent wise).

Seems to me then that he is to be our Casboult replacement and we need a genuine key forward.

 

[mediumsizered]

Also looks to be putting together a reasonable year at WAFL level. Looked good at VFL level but struggled to replicate that when playing for the senior side.

He may well have been yet another victim of our team's tendency to just bomb the ball inside F50.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Marshall has been described as boom or bust. Would make me nervous

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[Prem17]

Yes, I would. We could ask for Adelaides 15 and 33, and hand back 49. They'd take it in a heartbeat. He'd be the difference between a flag and bust while Walker, Betts, Jacobs etc are all up and about.



You are criminally underrating Touhy. He's worth a pick around the 20 mark. Sydneys pick 16 will work, and we can hand back pick 49 to even it out. Touhy has about the same value as Yarran, less Yarrans medical and off field issues.

Those two trades would leave us with 4, 15, 16, 22, 33, 76

Pick 33 and Pick 15 are worth 1,600 points. We then on-trade those picks to GWS for pick 8 (Pies) which is worth 1,551 points.

We're left with 4, 8, 15, 22, 76

From there, I'd trade Casboult for a late second/ early third for a 5th pick in the 30's. Lets say the Hawks nibble with their second rounder at 35 for a 1 year replacement for Roughy:

4, 8, 15, 22, 35, 76

At that point its a question of depth. Id trade out next years 2nd rounder to GWS along with pick 22 for (Marchbank, Tomlinson, Steele).

In: Marchbank, Tomlinson, Steele, 4, 8, 15, 35, 76 (Byrne upgrade),
Out: Gibbs, Touhy, Casboult, 2017 second rounder.

I like the theory but the troubvle is that you have pick 49 going to both Adelaide (Gibbs) and Sydney (Touhy).
Maybe that's where Everitt or Graham might help get a trade over the line. That and later pick upgrades.
I also think that we will try to bundle any late 2nd/early 3rd round picks together to try and get picks in the twenty - 30 range.
Very few players on the list should consider themselves safe cos we don't have a lot of currency.

 

[LordLucifer]

We have McKay, C.Curnow and Ben Silvagni coming up. Don't you think adding Marshall will only make us too top heavy?

First of all, you cannot count the other Silvagni lad until he is actually drafted to the club.

Secondly, we are bereft of seriously tall players and Marshall looks like he is the best of the big men in this years draft.

If we trade Casboult (and I think we will) and McKay doesn't reach the level, then we had better have another big tall or two waiting in the wings or we'll be in more strife than we already are.

 

[My name geoff]

Don't know how much you rate Twomey's opinion but he reckons Marshall would go after Scache but before H.McKay if he was in last year's pool.

I wonder if he took into account that H.McKay was 6 days off from being in this years draft. Would be rated close to number 1 you would think

 

[Blue_Fusion]

First of all, you cannot count the other Silvagni lad until he is actually drafted to the club.

Secondly, we are bereft of seriously tall players and Marshall looks like he is the best of the big men in this years draft.

If we trade Casboult (and I think we will) and McKay doesn't reach the level, then we had better have another big tall or two waiting in the wings or we'll be in more strife than we already are.

Well the chances of Ben not being drafted by us are extremely unlikely. He'll be a blue

We're also bereft of serious midfielders, a decent ruckman, a decent small forward and depth.

I also think the only reason Marshall is standing out is because he's the best KPF available this year. There isn't much for him to compete with.

Probably better off drafting another in a couple of years. We should prioritise our midfield because Murph and Gibbs are aging and Cripps desperately needs to have a young core group of mids come up under his wing.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I wonder if he took into account that H.McKay was 6 days off from being in this years draft. Would be rated close to number 1 you would think

Yeah I agree with that. Harry would probably have the edge with another season at that level.