Injury 2017 Injury Thread

[jackster83]

The real worry is that they are mostly pretty severe hamstring injuries, instead of the usual 3 weeker (which Tex had).

Cheney and Keath seem to have recurring hamstring/back issues; Brad Crouch's minor hamstring tweak turned into an 8 weeker, Gov's will be 10-14 weeks even without surgery, etc. It's also concerning when arguably our best runner gets hammy trouble (Knight).

 

[Big Gazoongas]

How many more hammys until it's ok to jump to conclusions?

32

 

[StonesThrow]

How many more hammys until it's ok to jump to conclusions?

It depends on what you're basing it on.

 

[Rotayjay]

Yes, it's worth it.

Remember back to 1997-98 where we overran many a side.

Casualties along the way included many players who went on to be pivotal - Goodwin in 97, Johnson in 98, Bond, Roo in 1997, Jameson, Bond, Robran - all missed chunks of time with soft tissue issues. Other fringe players such as Standfield. We ran so thin at times the we debuted both types of Cook and Linden Stevens played a final.

If you are going to push the envelope with fitness there will be issues - but if you don't it may be playing it too safe for elite sport.


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I'm not very au fait with sports science, but how does fitness advantage work in the AFL? Does the general standard of fitness creep up across the league every year? Will AFL teams in 2030 be super-fit in comparison to today? Are we eventually going to reach the limits of human fitness? Fascinating topic.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

Brisbane had a pretty bad injury list last year didn't they? Anyone know if there were loads of hamstrings?

 

[Elite Crow]

It depends on what you're basing it on.

We've had 8 and 3 recent ones. If we have another 2 next week can we start questioning what's going on? What about 4 in the next 2 weeks? When can we start questioning?

Face it, we can already ask what the **** is going on. Lever said we did more lef weights than we ever have, we also know they were flogged in the preseason. None of this of course has had an impact and we've been unlucky.

 

[craig crowing]

Brisbane had a pretty bad injury list last year didn't they? Anyone know if there were loads of hamstrings?

This is what so disturbing , they had massive problems whilst Burton there so we get him ,where we had great season with hammys etc but was that from previous fitness man or Burton, so we get another Brisbane friend of Burton .
Our great season allowing us to sweep under carpet but wonder what they do when more occur or we start losing with key players out.

 

[Elite Crow]

This is what so disturbing , they had massive problems whilst Burton there so we get him ,where we had great season with hammys etc but was that from previous fitness man or Burton, so we get another Brisbane friend of Burton .
Our great season allowing us to sweep under carpet but wonder what they do when more occur or we start losing with key players out.

That's the question isn't it.

Was our good year last year a flow on from Polous or did what Burton do in one preseason have such a positive impact?

Are we seeing this year what 2 years of Burtons fitness program look like? Make no mistake, our program would not be without Burtons involvement.

What was our injury count in 2015?

 

[Cockwomble]

Imagine the Port flogs when they find out the Crows coaching staff include a silly fellow as a technical observer

 

[CrowsAlways83]

I can't be bothered looking it up, but one of us who attended the open training session reported that Talia "looked proppy". Then, he does his hammy innocuously on his first kick in the match. Coincidence?

I don't think he did it during that kick, he had already signalled something was wrong and was heading to the bench when he got involved in the play, thought he was grabbing high on the left leg not his right. Commentators were discussing an 8 minute wait due to anzac ceremonies that wouldn't have helped because players have to stand still.

Either way its not great that players who have never done hamstrings appear to be doing them now, better early in the season than the end plus is finally forcing us to test our depth.

 

[Glenno23]

You know, it's ok to push the envelope and try to get an advantage, even if it means a few injuries because of it

It's what you do from here that can make or break you

• Has the club recognised there is an issue?
• Is there a review being done?
• What is being done to change it to ensure the attrition rate drops?

It's now on the club to put an end to it. It's only round 5, so we have time to rectify..... but we don't want the same amount of hammies going ping in round 15.....

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

IMO the Hamstring type of injury is broader than the AFC and looking at the injury update list all but 3 clubs seem to have players with hamstring injuries

Players are not robots and the speed of the game at present is as quick as it has ever been so this may require not just a club solution but an industry wide solution

The AFL wanted a F1 Footy product and now what we are seeing is more hamstring, quad and calf type of injuries

 

[Danoz]

Pyke's response to the hammy issue in the presser was "that's just footy".

 

[Glenno23]

Pyke's response to the hammy issue in the presser was "that's just footy".

Publicly he is going to be saying that. Has to

Behind the scenes he would be asking questions no doubt

 

[Vhaluus]

Publicly he is going to be saying that. Has to

Behind the scenes he would be asking questions no doubt

Agreed, Pikey doesn't give away a lot publicly but seems like the smartest operator we've had in a long time. Back him in to have already been looking into this prior to this game and to make the corrections he needs to.

 

[Paladin]

You know, it's ok to push the envelope and try to get an advantage, even if it means a few injuries because of it

It's what you do from here that can make or break you

• Has the club recognised there is an issue?
• Is there a review being done?
• What is being done to change it to ensure the attrition rate drops?

It's now on the club to put an end to it. It's only round 5, so we have time to rectify..... but we don't want the same amount of hammies going ping in round 15.....

I heard we started an external review a few weeks ago but don't expect anyone at the club to admit it.

 

[StonesThrow]

We've had 8 and 3 recent ones. If we have another 2 next week can we start questioning what's going on? What about 4 in the next 2 weeks? When can we start questioning?

Face it, we can already ask what the **** is going on. Lever said we did more lef weights than we ever have, we also know they were flogged in the preseason. None of this of course has had an impact and we've been unlucky.

I think I was one of the first group of people on here questioning it. Question it by all means. A thorough investigation should take place. I'll be the first one to admit there needs to be accountability. I'll also be the first to say the club is a PR machine and they'll probably never tell us what (if they work it out) was the cause.

My beef is when a bunch of Big footy doctors and detectives start assuming, judging and plain making things up with zero credibility or proof behind them.

 

[Glenno23]

I think I was one of the first group of people on here questioning it. Question it by all means. A thorough investigation should take place. I'll be the first one to admit there needs to be accountability. I'll also be the first to say the club is a PR machine and they'll probably never tell us what (if they work it out) was the cause.

My beef is when a bunch of Big footy doctors and detectives start assuming, judging and plain making things up with zero credibility or proof behind them.

I don't care if i hear about anything injury related. As long as the actions are being taken to make changes to slow the hammy rate down, i'm all good

Can stay silent on that shit. Give our opposition teams as little info as possible

 

[Elite Crow]

I think I was one of the first group of people on here questioning it. Question it by all means. A thorough investigation should take place. I'll be the first one to admit there needs to be accountability. I'll also be the first to say the club is a PR machine and they'll probably never tell us what (if they work it out) was the cause.

My beef is when a bunch of Big footy doctors and detectives start assuming, judging and plain making things up with zero credibility or proof behind them.

We are all asking what the **** is going on, without any realistic chance we will ever be told the truth what should we do? Just not talk about it?

 

[StonesThrow]

We are all asking what the **** is going on, without any realistic chance we will ever be told the truth what should we do? Just not talk about it?

I don't think I've actually singled you out have I? I'm not sure what I've been saying was even directed at you?

I've been talking about it. If you read the thread. Speculating is fine but 'matter of fact' personal attacks is bullshit (not saying you have done this, I don't believe I quoted you)

 

[Elite Crow]

I don't think I've actually singled you out have I? I'm not sure what I've been saying was even directed at you?

I've been talking about it. If you read the thread. Speculating is fine but 'matter of fact' personal attacks is bullshit (not saying you have done this, I don't believe I quoted you)

I'm not suggesting you are directing this at me, we are discussing the topic in general.

We have had a shocking run with hamstrings. We made a hasty appointment with our fitness guy who had never held such a senior position before. We have a player who has stated we did the most leg weights they've ever done. It's not some whacky out there speculation to suggest that our new fitness guy oversaw a program that has led to a shocking run with hammys.

 

[HarryCrow]

A shocking run with hammys and our first ever 5-0 start. People complain about not taking risks and being mediocre and then we obviously risked and this is the result. So those who've ascertained they'd be happy to fail as long as the club does everything to get a premiership actually mean as long as there is no actual risk.

 

[Wouldbetackler]

What was the actual report on Doedee? Back in SANFL this week?

 

[GreyCrow]

A shocking run with hammys and our first ever 5-0 start. People complain about not taking risks and being mediocre and then we obviously risked and this is the result. So those who've ascertained they'd be happy to fail as long as the club does everything to get a premiership actually mean as long as there is no actual risk.

This makes no sense.

No-one has complained about not taking risks. Unless you mean the appointment of Hass/Haas. I think the complaints were not about the risk but about the process.

The time to question the hamstring issue IS now. Not a week before the GF when we make 4 changes because of hammies

 

[DD#23]

I'm not very au fait with sports science, but how does fitness advantage work in the AFL? Does the general standard of fitness creep up across the league every year? Will AFL teams in 2030 be super-fit in comparison to today? Are we eventually going to reach the limits of human fitness? Fascinating topic.

in the AFL world the archetypal fitness profile changes constantly with all the (****ing) rule changes.

take one of Geelong's premiership sides for example in the heavy rotations/strength era and we'd probably run them off the park under today's rules. Conversely however if we had to play them under their rules they could well smash us at the contest just as badly as they did Port in 07.