Injury 2017 Injury Thread

[Archie87]

Considering that it is soreness and not an actual tear, that's a big difference. What that means is that he and our medical staff are actually on top of it now in terms of not risking the longer term major injury and we have players who are reporting the soreness asap. Lever missed one match. Knight missed one match. Tex missed one at the start of the season. And if you heard Tex the other week the issue is not the training but that there has been a change in the game style across the league and our players GPS are showing a 10% increase in running at speed during games from last season. That is a HUGE change that wouldn't have been predicted by any fitness team across the league. As Jenny pointed out hamstrings have been very common across the league this year so far already, there is your evidence. Hass is not the one who has NFI.

Sorry, I don't buy it.

Doc Larkin said weeks ago we are leading the league, by some margin, for hamstring injuries in 2017 and it's only gotten worse since then. We've had something like 10 players experiencing hamstring strains or soreness. Do you always believe what the club says? Tex is likely just making excuses. So I assume you believe the club isn't concerned about our first quarters then given the players say so.

Also, I'd like to note Brisbane struggled with a huge injury list with hamstrings and soft tissue injuries while Hass was there last year and we're now experiencing the same. Coincidence? All I am saying is it can't be ruled out that something he is doing is an issue.

 

[NikkiNoo]

Sorry, I don't buy it.

Doc Larkin said weeks ago we are leading the league, by some margin, for hamstring injuries in 2017 and it's only gotten worse since then. We've had something like 10 players experiencing hamstring strains or soreness. Do you always believe what the club says? Tex is likely just making excuses. So I assume you believe the club isn't concerned about our first quarters then given the players say so.

Also, I'd like to note Brisbane struggled with a huge injury list with hamstrings and soft tissue injuries while Hass was there last year and we're now experiencing the same. Coincidence? All I am saying is it can't be ruled out that something he is doing is an issue.

Bullshit that Tex is making excuses. No way do you release info like that as an excuse. You obviously haven't listened to the interview with him and are making an assumption that fits in with your narrative.

Doc Larkins is a joke. He has no idea on what is actually going on and is as much an expert about it as any of us because all he knows is by looking at the list we put out. We know that we aren't getting the full truth from there. All we can go on is the actual results. The fact that there are these reported hamstrings, and then players miss one game instead of what was predicted here that the club was lying and it would be 3-4 weeks at least. Who has been proven wrong in those instances? Not the club. I go on the output we see and when players are back etc.

We are not having the same as Brisbane last year.

 

[spexau]

Sorry, I don't buy it.

Doc Larkin said weeks ago we are leading the league, by some margin, for hamstring injuries in 2017 and it's only gotten worse since then. We've had something like 10 players experiencing hamstring strains or soreness. Do you always believe what the club says? Tex is likely just making excuses. So I assume you believe the club isn't concerned about our first quarters then given the players say so.

Also, I'd like to note Brisbane struggled with a huge injury list with hamstrings and soft tissue injuries while Hass was there last year and we're now experiencing the same. Coincidence? All I am saying is it can't be ruled out that something he is doing is an issue.

Citation required for Larkin quote

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Not a stretch to wonder if we're searching for an edge and pushed a fraction far. Hasn't damaged us too badly yet and you could easily argue that the results have been worth it. Some players have missed games, but only one long term (McGovern) and we appear to be covering the ground and running out games better.

However, there is a breaking point. When we've been here before we haven't sensibly scaled back workloads slightly to reduce the risk of further injuries. We've continued at full throttle, butchered our season, then demanded that people believe our failed campaign was down to bad luck - and screw what the external reviewers say.

Hopefully we bank whatever fitness gains we've made so far (we are top after all), ease off a notch and the focus now becomes about freshening up and player management, rather than continuing to push whatever boundaries we have up until this point.

 

[MRB37]

Not a stretch to wonder if we're searching for an edge and pushed a fraction far. Hasn't damaged us too badly yet and you could easily argue that the results have been worth it. Some players have missed games, but only one long term (McGovern) and we appear to be covering the ground and running out games better.

However, there is a breaking point. When we've been here before we haven't sensibly scaled back workloads slightly to reduce the risk of further injuries. We've continued at full throttle, butchered our season, then demanded that people believe our failed campaign was down to bad luck - and screw what the external reviewers say.

Hopefully we bank whatever fitness gains we've made so far (we are top after all), ease off a notch and the focus now becomes about freshening up and player management, rather than continuing to push whatever boundaries we have up until this point.

The fact we've been giving guys time off would probably show you they're willing to back off when needed.

 

[NikkiNoo]

The fact we've been giving guys time off would probably show you they're willing to back off when needed.

But that would mean that the club has been proactive about it and has taken considering of the evidence. That doesn't fit the narrative some want to continue to push.

 

[HarryCrow]

Fact: club lying about hamstring injuries
Fact: players aren't thrilled

Hope: the club are doing something about it

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

But that would mean that the club has been proactive about it and has taken considering of the evidence. That doesn't fit the narrative some want to continue to push.

It could also mean the players have been injured and that's why they haven't played at times

 

[beartoo]

Spot the Troll in the last coupla posts.

 

[HarryCrow]

Spot the Troll in the last coupla posts.

Me?

If I'm a troll because I am tired of the hammys then um... not sure. I guess guilty as charged.

 

[StonesThrow]

Me?

If I'm a troll because I am tired of the hammys then um... not sure. I guess guilty as charged.

They were talking about 'drugs are bad' mate.

I'm sure your facts are 100% backed up.

 

[marty36]

Spot the Troll in the last coupla posts.

I knew that drugs are bad Mackay was a troll, HTF did he become a mod

 

[Aaron929]

Paul Seedsman (groin) – 2 – 4 weeks
Mitch McGovern (hamstring) – 3 – 5 weeks

This makes me pretty happy! Do you guys think seed will play this year or just in the twos? Also Gov is he back in after one game in the twos or a few to regain match fitness

 

[FantasticShirt]

Currently there are 24 hamstrings in AFL teams.

Collingwood and Freo have 3.
Geelong, Gold Coast, GWS, Hawthorn, Melbourne and WB have 2.
Adelaide, Brisbane, North, Richmond, Sydney and WC have 1.

It could just be... that hamstrings are a common injury in footy.

PS. Port only have ONE player on this injury list!

9 rounds and we've had how many of our list have had some type of hamstring injury?

Walker
Lever - several times
Smith
Talia
Knight
McGovern
Cheney
B Crouch
Keath

Vast majority of them are best 22. It's a concern, and they've already admitted they've had to adjust training as a result. Can't gloss over this.

 

[AusTerran]

Paul Seedsman (groin) – 2 – 4 weeks
Mitch McGovern (hamstring) – 3 – 5 weeks

This makes me pretty happy! Do you guys think seed will play this year or just in the twos? Also Gov is he back in after one game in the twos or a few to regain match fitness

Gov would have to come back via the SANFL surely, don't want another Jenkins. Seed would need at least two to three games as well to get form and match fitness.

 

[spenze]

Paul Seedsman (groin) – 2 – 4 weeks
Mitch McGovern (hamstring) – 3 – 5 weeks

This makes me pretty happy! Do you guys think seed will play this year or just in the twos? Also Gov is he back in after one game in the twos or a few to regain match fitness

Play in twos until they are confident and have good output. I'd rather them play four matches in SANFL before coming back but with the byes that shithole competition has that may mean neither player fronts up til round 3 next year

 

[Jeffcrowe]

9 rounds and we've had how many of our list have had some type of hamstring injury?

Walker
Lever - several times
Smith
Talia
Knight
McGovern
Cheney
B Crouch
Keath

Vast majority of them are best 22. It's a concern, and they've already admitted they've had to adjust training as a result. Can't gloss over this.

We've also greatly improved our contested ball from last season and run out games as well as any club

Swings and roundabouts

I'd rather be hitting the edge than a mile from it , at least the club is having a crack at improvement

And we are sitting top after all , I thought we'd be 5th by now

Let's see how it pans out

 

[Geoffa32]

Spot the Troll in the last coupla posts.

Fact...

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[BRL121]

9 rounds and we've had how many of our list have had some type of hamstring injury?

Walker
Lever - several times
Smith
Talia
Knight
McGovern
Cheney
B Crouch
Keath

Vast majority of them are best 22. It's a concern, and they've already admitted they've had to adjust training as a result. Can't gloss over this.

Talia's wasn't a hamstring.

 

[BRL121]

Play in twos until they are confident and have good output. I'd rather them play four matches in SANFL before coming back but with the byes that shithole competition has that may mean neither player fronts up til round 3 next year

I would play McGovern in the twos only for long enough to demonstrate that he can do a couple of insane jumps without reinjuring the hammy. He's not the workhorse type who needs to demonstrate "output". Re-injuring must be avoided at all costs: look at Ballantyne for example.

 

[spenze]

I would play McGovern in the twos only for long enough to demonstrate that he can do a couple of insane jumps without reinjuring the hammy. He's not the workhorse type who needs to demonstrate "output". Re-injuring must be avoided at all costs: look at Ballantyne for example.

He needs touch, 2 months is a long time out. Rather have him up to speed than rushed in...

 

[FantasticShirt]

Talia's wasn't a hamstring.

What was it then?

 

[BRL121]

What was it then?

Tendinitis in the buttock. Talia was embarrassed by the whole thing: apparently he has never had a hamstring injury and didn't know what it would feel like. Certainly, the club thought for days that it was a hamstring, and the reports said so, but the scans indicated absolutely no damage. If it had been a hammy, there's no way he would have played the next week.

 

[beartoo]

Tendinitis in the buttock. Talia was embarrassed by the whole thing: apparently he has never had a hamstring injury and didn't know what it would feel like. Certainly, the club thought for days that it was a hamstring, and the reports said so, but the scans indicated absolutely no damage. If it had been a hammy, there's no way he would have played the next week.

Can one of the sports med experts tell me how much pain occurs when you do a hammy? I've done something--mild pain when I run. No pain walking. Minor pain lifting heavy stuff. Pain sitting on soft seats. I finished a run after noticing it, but didn't get any worse along the way.
Any clues? Pull, tendonitis, small tear?

 

[spenze]

Can one of the sports med experts tell me how much pain occurs when you do a hammy? I've done something--mild pain when I run. No pain walking. Minor pain lifting heavy stuff. Pain sitting on soft seats. I finished a run after noticing it, but didn't get any worse along the way.
Any clues? Pull, tendonitis, small tear?

Lower back.

Easiest way to resolve it may just be to not lift anything heavy, run or sit in soft seats