Game Day 2017 National Draft

[Soups]

Coffield is interesting. Nice height. Makes time and space as well as an in the draft. Skills are there. Quick.

Production only average. Has played a lot down back. Has had some minutes here and there as midfielder and won it, so there is hope.

He could be one to draft as a Pendlebury successor, though if that's really my line of thinking.

I'd be hoping Adam Cerra slides to 6. He may be the best midfielder in the draft. Production when he played is as good as any as a mid. In a half he kicked 3 goals, 5 behinds in a rare chance forward. Skills and evasiveness excellent but a really strong contested ball winning midfielder. He's a premium mid if there is a certain one in this draft.

To give my opinion, it's either a slider from Rayner/LDU/Cerra/Dow or it's a tall.

Some could make cases for Stephenson, Coffield, some have spoken Bonar, though he less than the others fills a need.

No clear choice at 6 and likely we won't really know who will be the choice until the draft of the draft or perhaps one or two days before if we're lucky, as Collingwood tend to stay fairly tight lipped.

Does Cerra’s pace worry you at the next level? He looks like he almost gets caught every time he has the ball in his hand. Will he adapt to the pace at the next level? That’s my big worry. We can’t afford to fluff this pick imo.

 

[Knightmare]

not much there talls wise. Really hoping for Petty at 38

Balta if we "reach" though I feel he is legitimately worth pick 5.

Darcy Fogarty can play kpp, even if slightly undersized, he is most comfortable as a key forward at this stage in his development.

Brander I'm increasingly going off - his marking is too hit and miss - dropping chest marks, uncontested marks overhead. While he gets to the right spots, reads the flight well, has a high work rate etc. Having seen Chris Dawes, I'm not particularly keen in having another of those.

 

[Knightmare]

Does Cerra’s pace worry you at the next level? He looks like he almost gets caught every time he has the ball in his hand. Will he adapt to the pace at the next level? That’s my big worry. We can’t afford to fluff this pick imo.

Not at all.

Pace isn't a strength, but he isn't slow either.

Charlie Constable is the top end mid who for pace worries me as a very stationary ball winner.

Cerra is mobile/agile and while he doesn't blast away from you like Rayner or LDU can, his pace isn't an issue in my view. It's just not the reason you invest in him.

 

[Soups]

Not at all.

Pace isn't a strength, but he isn't slow either.

Charlie Constable is the top end mid who for pace worries me as a very stationary ball winner.

Cerra is mobile/agile and while he doesn't blast away from you like Rayner or LDU can, his pace isn't an issue in my view. It's just not the reason you invest in him.

I agree with Constable he seems very slow.

Fair enough, I do like Cerra. There was some talk a few weeks ago that we liked him. I’d be surprised if he makes it to 6. I think North might surprise a few and take him over Stephenson if he’s there.

 

[Matt_352]

Not at all.

Pace isn't a strength, but he isn't slow either.

Charlie Constable is the top end mid who for pace worries me as a very stationary ball winner.

Cerra is mobile/agile and while he doesn't blast away from you like Rayner or LDU can, his pace isn't an issue in my view. It's just not the reason you invest in him.

I know that we do need some genuine pace though in the team. As well as the obvious KPP. Which is why I really like Coffield. Needs to work on his production though to become a legit elite mid.

Balta if we "reach" though I feel he is legitimately worth pick 5.

Darcy Fogarty can play kpp, even if slightly undersized, he is most comfortable as a key forward at this stage in his development.

Brander I'm increasingly going off - his marking is too hit and miss - dropping chest marks, uncontested marks overhead. While he gets to the right spots, reads the flight well, has a high work rate etc. Having seen Chris Dawes, I'm not particularly keen in having another of those.

I dont like Brander either or Naughton for that matter. Really like Fogarty. Seen Balta rated late teens surely is a reach at 6? Do you think Petty lasts till 38?

 

[Knightmare]

I know that we do need some genuine pace though in the team. As well as the obvious KPP. Which is why I really like Coffield. Needs to work on his production though to become a legit elite mid.

I dont like Brander either or Naughton for that matter. Really like Fogarty. Seen Balta rated late teens surely is a reach at 6? Do you think Petty lasts till 38?

Balta isn't rated as highly as I rate him, but he has the upside to be the best kpp in this draft.

Petty probably doesn't last until pick 38, but if he does, jump on him. Would represent strong value there as a very developable key defender.

 

[Matt_352]

Balta isn't rated as highly as I rate him, but he has the upside to be the best kpp in this draft.

Petty probably doesn't last until pick 38, but if he does, jump on him. Would represent strong value there as a very developable key defender.

as far as pure kpp go he would be my favourite. Fogarty will be a really good 3rd tall fwd. Where do you see Balta playing his best footy fwd or back?

 

[Aishole]

I Want Coffield, big time.

I honestly believe he will be the best player to come out of this draft.

 

[sr36]

I Want Coffield, big time.

I honestly believe he will be the best player to come out of this draft.

Bonar for me. I have no knowledge at all, but I've convinced myself that we are going to draft him and that he'll be the star of the draft.

 

[legendstatus]

I fear Balta would be one of the highlight reel kings, Coffield starting to look the most likely for me with Foggie second



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[Mkcaptain]

I'm jealous of the Saints with picks 7 and 8. That was some deal they did with the Hawks last year

 

[Go Woods]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...g-on-draft-night-in-2018-20171023-gz6g0n.html
Interesting reading....

 

[Soups]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...g-on-draft-night-in-2018-20171023-gz6g0n.html
Interesting reading....

Gives an edge to draft night. But how much longer will it get dragged out if they bring it in?

 

[unplugged]

Gives an edge to draft night. But how much longer will it get dragged out if they bring it in?

Probably an hour extra. It's already riveting television so it'd be good for it to drag on even longer...

Always interests me at draft time, certain clubs take their pick within 3 seconds (us included) but some are notorious for requesting extensions of time.

 

[sr36]

Gives an edge to draft night. But how much longer will it get dragged out if they bring it in?

If there plan is to turn the draft into a television event like it is in the states, it won't work. The difference is that college ball is a big televised thing, so viewers actually have a decent understanding of the players involved in the draft.

 

[Horaceg]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...g-on-draft-night-in-2018-20171023-gz6g0n.html
Interesting reading....

So one minute a player could be off to his preferred Club and then in the blink off to Queensland or somewhere less favourable, MindF@rk!,,

 

[Horaceg]

If there plan is to turn the draft into a television event like it is in the states, it won't work. The difference is that college ball is a big televised thing, so viewers actually have a decent understanding of the players involved in the draft.

They should set up the octagon and the draftees can challenge another draftee in the octagon for the right to swap places.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Warning incoming melt/pre-draft rant.

There really should be no debate on who we select with pick 6. It should be key position and nothing else.

We don't need another midfielder. We have midfielders coming out of our assholes. So much so that Jordan De Goey can't even get a regular rotation. And if we want to give Brayden Maynard more midfield opportunity then that another one competing for 5 starting sports and 2-3 off the bench.

Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Treloar, Adams, Wells, Hoskin-Elliott, Greenwood, Phillips, Crisp, Aish, Maynard, Broomhead, Wills, Thomas, Smith, Sier, Brown.

All played midfield as juniors, enough depth to bat 3 midfield units deep. Pendles and Wells got injured last season and we were fine.

We don't need another one for at least a couple of years. I don't care how talented the current 2017 draft crop are. We spent 3 first round picks on Treloar and De Goey. 3 second round picks on Hoskin-Elliott and Aish. It's time to own up to our drafting/trading decisions of the past and play these guys in the position they are meant to play. Instead of playing them on a flank. And for that reason too, we don't need to draft any flankers. Our flank positions are full by midfielders who can't get a midfield position!

Also how the hell our we going to improve our key position stocks if we continually ignore picking them in the top 30. Nowdays anything in the the draft that is Pick 30 and beyond is a speculative pick. We are not going unearth a 100 gamer key position player with a player selected later than pick 30.

Our key position draft history for past 6 years confirms this theory:
2016 McLarty 30 - Too early to tell.
2016 McCarthy Rookie - Delisted.
2016 Schade Rookie - Delisted.
2015 Keeffe Rookie - Delisted.
2014 Moore 9 - The only decent young key position player on our list. And guess what, he was a top 30 pick.
2013 Marsh 77 - Delisted.
2013 Gault Rookie - Delisted.
2012 Frost Rookie - Traded but pretty much would of been delisted.
2011 Paine 50 - Ditto.

To have only Moore and maybe McLarty to show for is disgusting list management. And that's if McLarty pans out.

The majority of the draft experts in the press have Jarrod Brander as the best key position prospect in the draft and from what I have read he should be available at Pick 6 as there is a clear top 4 or 5 players that are midfield or flankers. I just don't get why you would not pick him. It's seems a no brainer to me. Last time we had a no brainer pick, it was Brodie Grundy and that turned out fantastic. We desperately needed a ruckman at the time and the best one fell into our laps at Pick 18.
Well, we desperately need a key position forward and we are perfect position to get the best one in the draft.
Please don't **** it up. Don't over think it. Fogarty isn't big enough. Hayes is a ruckman. And we don't have a 2nd round pick for this draft and the next draft so if we don't go key position in the first round, it will be another speculative pick in the 30s or 50s or 60s which have a very low chance of making it.

Picking Brander or Balta or Naughton is not going to mean that we can't go after Tom Lynch next year. Far from it. It will give us a tall that we can take our time in developing in the VFL and perhaps allow us to trial Darcy Moore at centre half back and not so be reliant on Ben Reid whose quads are held together by sticky tape or a 5 foot 10 Jamie Elliott with a bad back to kick our goals.

Pick 6 must be key position,
Pick 6 must be key position,
Pick 6 must be key position,
Pick 6 must be key position,
Pick 6 must be key position,
Pick 6 must be key position.

 

[unplugged]

Warning incoming melt/pre-draft rant.

There really should be no debate on who we select with pick 6. It should be key position and nothing else.

We don't need another midfielder. We have midfielders coming out of our assholes. So much so that Jordan De Goey can't even get a regular rotation. And if we want to give Brayden Maynard more midfield opportunity then that another one competing for 5 starting sports and 2-3 off the bench.

Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Treloar, Adams, Wells, Hoskin-Elliott, Greenwood, Phillips, Crisp, Aish, Maynard, Broomhead, Wills, Thomas, Smith, Sier, Brown.

All played midfield as juniors, enough depth to bat 3 midfield units depth. Pendles and Wells got injured last season and we were fine.

We don't need another one for at least a couple of years. I don't care how talented the current 2017 draft crop are. We spent 3 first round picks on Treloar and De Goey. 3 second round picks on Hoskin-Elliott and Aish. It's time to own up to our drafting/trading decisions of the past and play these guys in the position they are meant to play. Instead of playing them on a flank. And for that reason too, we don't need to draft any flankers. Our flank positions are full by midfielders who can't get a midfield position!

Also how the hell our we going to improve our key position stocks if we continually ignore picking them in the top 30. Nowdays anything in the the draft that is Pick 30 and beyond is a speculative pick. We are not going unearth a 100 gamer key position player with a player selected later than pick 30.

Our key position draft history for past 6 years confirms this theory:
2016 McLarty 30 - Too early to tell.
2016 McCarthy Rookie - Delisted.
2016 Schade Rookie - Delisted.
2015 Keeffe Rookie - Delisted.
2014 Moore 9 - The only decent young key position player on our list. And guess what, he was a top 30 pick.
2013 Marsh 77 - Delisted.
2013 Gault Rookie - Delisted.
2012 Frost Rookie - Traded but pretty much would of been delisted.
2011 Paine 50 - Ditto.

To have only Moore and maybe McLarty to show for is disgusting list management. And that's if McLarty pans out.

The majority of the draft experts in the press have Jarrod Brander as the best key position prospect in the draft and from what I have read he should be available at Pick 6 as there is a clear top 4 or 5 players that are midfield or flankers. I just don't get why you would not pick him. It's seems a no brainer to me. Last time we had a no brainer pick, it was Brodie Grundy and that turned out fantastic. We desperately needed a ruckman at the time and the best one fell into our laps at Pick 18.
Well, we desperately need a key position forward and we are perfect position to get the best one in the draft.
Please don't **** it up. Don't over think it. Fogarty isn't big enough. Hayes is a ruckman. And we don't have a 2nd round pick for this draft and the next draft so if we don't go key position in the first round, it will be another speculative pick in the 30s or 50s or 60s which have a very low chance of making it.

Picking Brander or Balta or Naughton is not going to mean that we can't go after Tom Lynch next year. Far from it. It will give us a tall that we can take our time in developing in the VFL and perhaps allow us to trial Darcy Moore at centre half back and not so be reliant on Ben Reid whose quads are held together by sticky tape or a 5 foot 10 Jamie Elliott with a bad back to kick our goals.

Pick 6 must be key position,
Pick 6 must be key position,
Pick 6 must be key position,
Pick 6 must be key position,
Pick 6 must be key position,
Pick 6 must be key position.

What if the recruiters decide that and key position players available are not likely to become good AFL players? Do we still pull the trigger just because?

 

[Go Woods]

So one minute a player could be off to his preferred Club and then in the blink off to Queensland or somewhere less favourable, MindF@rk!,,

You would think the player must have some say in where he accepts the trade offer or happy to go to the club that just drafted him

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

What if the recruiters decide that and key position players available are not likely to become good AFL players? Do we still pull the trigger just because?

Your basically saying that the best key position player in the 2017 draft is not going to become good AFL player. Highly unlikely.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...g-on-draft-night-in-2018-20171023-gz6g0n.html
Interesting reading....

Finally.

Gives an edge to draft night. But how much longer will it get dragged out if they bring it in?

It shouldn't really drag out any longer than current.
In the NBA there is still a time limit a 5min limit for 1st round picks, and 2mins for 2nd round. (I dont know what the AFL's draft timeline is but surely it is something similar).

Teams have a war room of staff on draft night (as do AFL) and most have already had discussions about what picks/players are potentially available to trade.
Most picks wouldnt need the full 5mins, and most potential trades are already lined up as possibilities well in advance.

But it gives teams a lot more flexibility to react on draft night - either if the player you want just got taken and you dont like other options at that pick - or if see someone slide. For example the Spurs traded up from the end of the 1st to mid 1st rd to draft a kid named Kawhi Leonard (now top 3-5 players in the NBA) because they saw the one other team with interest didnt take him.

It will take teams a draft or two to get used to, but is a long overdue move.

 

[Soups]

So one minute a player could be off to his preferred Club and then in the blink off to Queensland or somewhere less favourable, MindF@rk!,,

That part shouldn’t come in imo. It should just be if the player you want is gone you can look to trade down picks etc.

 

[BPikkers]

Warning incoming melt/pre-draft rant.

There really should be no debate on who we select with pick 6. It should be key position and nothing else.

We don't need another midfielder. We have midfielders coming out of our assholes. So much so that Jordan De Goey can't even get a regular rotation. And if we want to give Brayden Maynard more midfield opportunity then that another one competing for 5 starting sports and 2-3 off the bench.

Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Treloar, Adams, Wells, Hoskin-Elliott, Greenwood, Phillips, Crisp, Aish, Maynard, Broomhead, Wills, Thomas, Smith, Sier, Brown.

All played midfield as juniors, enough depth to bat 3 midfield units deep. Pendles and Wells got injured last season and we were fine.

We don't need another one for at least a couple of years. I don't care how talented the current 2017 draft crop are. We spent 3 first round picks on Treloar and De Goey. 3 second round picks on Hoskin-Elliott and Aish. It's time to own up to our drafting/trading decisions of the past and play these guys in the position they are meant to play. Instead of playing them on a flank. And for that reason too, we don't need to draft any flankers. Our flank positions are full by midfielders who can't get a midfield position!

Also how the hell our we going to improve our key position stocks if we continually ignore picking them in the top 30. Nowdays anything in the the draft that is Pick 30 and beyond is a speculative pick. We are not going unearth a 100 gamer key position player with a player selected later than pick 30.

Our key position draft history for past 6 years confirms this theory:
2016 McLarty 30 - Too early to tell.
2016 McCarthy Rookie - Delisted.
2016 Schade Rookie - Delisted.
2015 Keeffe Rookie - Delisted.
2014 Moore 9 - The only decent young key position player on our list. And guess what, he was a top 30 pick.
2013 Marsh 77 - Delisted.
2013 Gault Rookie - Delisted.
2012 Frost Rookie - Traded but pretty much would of been delisted.
2011 Paine 50 - Ditto.

To have only Moore and maybe McLarty to show for is disgusting list management. And that's if McLarty pans out.

The majority of the draft experts in the press have Jarrod Brander as the best key position prospect in the draft and from what I have read he should be available at Pick 6 as there is a clear top 4 or 5 players that are midfield or flankers. I just don't get why you would not pick him. It's seems a no brainer to me. Last time we had a no brainer pick, it was Brodie Grundy and that turned out fantastic. We desperately needed a ruckman at the time and the best one fell into our laps at Pick 18.
Well, we desperately need a key position forward and we are perfect position to get the best one in the draft.
Please don't **** it up. Don't over think it. Fogarty isn't big enough. Hayes is a ruckman. And we don't have a 2nd round pick for this draft and the next draft so if we don't go key position in the first round, it will be another speculative pick in the 30s or 50s or 60s which have a very low chance of making it.

Picking Brander or Balta or Naughton is not going to mean that we can't go after Tom Lynch next year. Far from it. It will give us a tall that we can take our time in developing in the VFL and perhaps allow us to trial Darcy Moore at centre half back and not so be reliant on Ben Reid whose quads are held together by sticky tape or a 5 foot 10 Jamie Elliott with a bad back to kick our goals.

Pick 6 must be key position,
Pick 6 must be key position,
Pick 6 must be key position,
Pick 6 must be key position,
Pick 6 must be key position,
Pick 6 must be key position.

I would almost guarantee the Pies select a KPP. There is no way they would have delisted Schade and Keeffe if they didn’t intend to replace them in the draft.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

You would think the player must have some say in where he accepts the trade offer or happy to go to the club that just drafted him

Surely not.
He just got drafted, there is no contract in place yet.
It would be no different to those picks being trade before the draft and the new team just drafting him.
AFL recruits accept the draft rules if they want to play in the league - they can be drafted by any of the 18 teams, and either join or walk away from the AFL - its pretty simple.

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In fact i would go a step further (and for another discussion) but no matter how much the AFLPA argues it, I am sure that at some point in the next 5-10 years the rules and/or culture around "forced" trading of CONTRACTED players will be introduced. The Clubs and AFL will get to the point of drawing the line to stop players signing long term contracts and then demanding a trade to a specific team with plenty of time left on the contracts. (This will be balanced by free agency starting much earlier - IMO should happen at any stage someone is out of contract - but increase contract length of 1st round draftees to 3+1 years)