2017 Trade & FA Targets - The Last Supper #Ameetos

[Keg on legs]

strange club

There must be so much more to this whole lever thing than meets the eye. It just doesn't add up.

The animosity towards him is bizarre.

 

[Mowman]

maybe im just different but i reckon having your dream job playing footy earning big bucks on an adventure in a new state sounds like the ideal for an 18 year old me ... i mean we are talking at max a 4hr flight away from home where ever you get sent in a generation where you can skype every day if you like very easily ..
i dunno i must be differant but i would treat it as an adventure and want to make the most of it while you can - i mean hanging with your footy mates all day playing video games and chasing girls when your not training .. sign me up baby especially if your coming from the cold winters of Melbourne to the warm beaches of Brisbane

Yep agree with all that and they know when they nominate for the draft that there is big chance they go interstate.

 

[plugger66]

if your dream is to be an AFL player you take that for all it is you can end up anywhere its the trade off for living your dream of being a pro footy player .. if not dont enter the draft and play lower state comp footy and get a real 9-5 job like ther rest of us shlobs

And they do. Am I suggesting they go where they want? No but I'm suggesting once they have decided they are coming home then both clubs should try their best to get the deal done and if they cant like Gibbs last year then so be it. I believe a player can say as he please and if he please to say a club then so be it. Lets face it not one person would be upset if a young kid said he wanted to come to us.

 

[VDS66]

ill let it go because i have zero interest into getting into a boring as batshite debate with you that just brings the whole forum down...
here to not having pick 7&8 or maybe having 7&8 or maybe having something else or having nothing ?!?!? either way ill be disapointed ?!?!??! possibly

Bit harsh... people getting argumentative with him then cracking it.

His original comments we pretty clear IMO.

 

[TheBalls]

Yep but all that can be done in your home state with your real mates. As for the cold winters well I also maybe different but I love the weather in Melbourne.

I'm with Plug on this one. Everyone is different, some thrive and some struggle.

I'd have struggled as a 17/18 year old being forced to move state away from family and friends. Knocked back a scholarship to go play sport in the US (suppose a different country is different from another state).

I suppose a different way to look at it is that you should be mentally prepared for a move if you want a career in footy as there's almost a 50% chance you are going interstate. If you're not mentally tough enough for that then I don't want you with the ball in hand when the game is on the line.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Would you be happy being forced into your first job at a company that is interstate and may have no interest in being there?

Sorry but what the hell does this have to do with anything??

U18 players are not forced as they are fully aware that they maybe drafted to an interstate club and by agreeing to enter the draft they have agreed / consented to this situation - whether they like it or not doesn't matter

 

[STK2020]

Just one thing I would like to you and anyone else happy to answer. Would you be happy being forced into your first job at a company that is interstate and may have no interest in being there? My answer would be no. Would you like to go to the company of your choice? My answer is yes.

I dont think anyone twisted his arm when he made the choice of his profession.
Hundreds of kids from all over Australia go through the exact thing when they join the ADF , just an example of one of many professions which require commitment from an individual.

 

[pebblesofsand]

if your dream is to be an AFL player you take that for all it is you can end up anywhere its the trade off for living your dream of being a pro footy player .. if not dont enter the draft and play lower state comp footy and get a real 9-5 job like ther rest of us shlobs

Yep its a bit like wanting to join the army but not wanting to be sent overseas and get shot at.

Its part the job - if you don't like it - don't apply.


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[Rors]

He cant so a recruiter especially from Melbourne should have taken him. Weak recruiting if they rated him.

He can & did. Chad Wingard did the same

As did Luke Ball in 2009

Punishment for draft tampering is an absolute myth

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Yep but all that can be done in your home state with your real mates. As for the cold winters well I also maybe different but I love the weather in Melbourne.

then if thats the case dont put in for the draft ... dont be an AFL player play local footy and stay with your mates ... i bet you every year there are thousands of kids who dont get the chance who would move to anywhere to get their shot at being a pro footy player... its like joining the army and not wanting to wear green thats the job sunshine pay your dues pay back your gratitude to the club taking the punt on you then after you have done that and you wanna go then request a trade when your contract is up not mid contract ...

 

[TheBalls]

If the only reason a player wants to move is to return to their home state then they shouldn't be nominating clubs, just go wherever the club that invested in you can get the best deal.

The top players heads are turned by the clubs first IMO, Eddie McGuire or other getting their claws in and then the 'want to go home' excuse is the perfect cop out.

 

[VDS66]

Just one thing I would like to you and anyone else happy to answer. Would you be happy being forced into your first job at a company that is interstate and may have no interest in being there? My answer would be no. Would you like to go to the company of your choice? My answer is yes.

Different instance. In one scenario you are applying for a specific job with a business of your choice.

Nominating for the draft you understand it's random.

 

[gringo2011]

You like guessing so I will guess on the signing. I think both agreed to do it and if they decided to part it suits Brisbane that he is contracted and it suits him because Brisbane will get him to the club he wants. And he should say where he wants to go if he wants. And he may not have wanted out at the draft interviews.

Imagine for a minute Acres or Billings wanted to leave us despite being contracted. We would go nuts. I just hate the way footy has gone, where players don't stick to contracts and demand to go to the highest bidder even when they weren't on the market. That's just me I'm a romantic. It will ruin something in the way people follow footy. I personally miss something about the old suburban footy though. There was something raw and primal about footy in those days.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

I have seen the saints trade everyone from Ian Stewart, big Carl, plugger etc. If we were to trade acres for the right price so be it.

These deals that everyone talks about generally the more moving parts the less likely they are to happen.

We will have had a good trade period if we manage to bring in someone we rate like Austin and trade someone out for a second rounder.

If we take 7,8 and 20 something to the draft that's a good result anything else is gravy IMHO.

Fair enough - sounds good to me!

Just trying to find ways to trade up whilst trying not to give up both picks 7 & 8

 

[coachnoodles]

maybe im just different but i reckon having your dream job playing footy earning big bucks on an adventure in a new state sounds like the ideal for an 18 year old me ... i mean we are talking at max a 4hr flight away from home where ever you get sent in a generation where you can skype every day if you like very easily ..
i dunno i must be differant but i would treat it as an adventure and want to make the most of it while you can - i mean hanging with your footy mates all day playing video games and chasing girls when your not training .. sign me up baby especially if your coming from the cold winters of Melbourne to the warm beaches of Brisbane

100% that bit sounds awesome but there's more to it than that - I'm great mates with a now retired top 5 pick and the pressure and expectations that come with that are huge - I saw it first hand. Throw in the fitness expectations plus the sacrifices that need to be made in terms of not seeing your family and high school mates and some kids just aren't cut out for it.

Also My mate was drafted by the team he supported in his home state so he had it easy compared to plenty of others.

 

[plugger66]

He can & did. Chad Wingard did the same

As did Luke Ball in 2009

Punishment for draft tampering is an absolute myth

I'm not doubting he did. Wouldn't have a clue but to me its the recruiters that are weak. They could have got him for 2 years and if they were a good solid club they may have convinced him to stay especially if they were a Melbourne club. If he then wants to go after 2 years then somepeople on here would argue he cant get to Essendon anyway.

 

[Flandersss]

Just left the war room..

 

[Rors]

Can't wait til this 2 weeks is over & we have picks 7 & 8 in the draft & pick up Michael ****ing Talia as a DFA

 

[Diehard Saint]

Just one thing I would like to you and anyone else happy to answer. Would you be happy being forced into your first job at a company that is interstate and may have no interest in being there? My answer would be no. Would you like to go to the company of your choice? My answer is yes.

Firstly, I said I get the homesickness bit, and if he needs to come back for mental health then so be it.

However, regarding choice of employer once back in his home state, surely that is something you sign up to if you choose to play sport professionally? If he wants to come home, why not Carlton, Hawthorn or us?

He signed a contract so surely, within reason ( as example going home) the club is entitled to get the best return for him. Especially if they gave used a very good draft pick to get him.

These guys know that they are going to be drafted and might end up anywhere. That's what professional sport is about. They are not forced into it. No one holding a gun to their heads to do it.

 

[gringo2011]

Just one thing I would like to you and anyone else happy to answer. Would you be happy being forced into your first job at a company that is interstate and may have no interest in being there? My answer would be no. Would you like to go to the company of your choice? My answer is yes.

Don't go to the interview or tell them you will leave. Lever demanded to be the highest paid at his club then sold himself to the highest bidder when they wouldn't do it. It's like the apprentice wanting the CEOs wage or he leaves.

 

[Flandersss]

Can't wait til this 2 weeks is over & we have picks 7 & 8 in the draft & pick up Michael ******* Talia as a DFA

JC approves.

 

[plugger66]

then if thats the case dont put in for the draft ... dont be an AFL player play local footy and stay with your mates ... i bet you every year there are thousands of kids who dont get the chance who would move to anywhere to get their shot at being a pro footy player... its like joining the army and not wanting to wear green thats the job sunshine pay your dues pay back your gratitude to the club taking the punt on you then after you have done that and you wanna go then request a trade when your contract is up not mid contract ...

Sorry but where is the rules does it say that after 2 years you cant say you want to go to a certain club? You have finished your contract so you can try and get to the club of your choice. Its nothing like anything you said. I think we are arguing over completely different things. I haven't once suggested a player coming into the AFL should pick the club of his choice. I have actually said that some recruiters were weak not taking Merrett at the draft. What I am saying is players can have the right to choose their club after the contract or in this case when both parties are happy to part ways. Whether he gets there is no certainty but both clubs will try to get the deal done and if they cant then bad luck for the player. Now if anyone can tell me why a player cant say the club of choice then we are discussing the right situation.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Imagine for a minute Acres or Billings wanted to leave us despite being contracted. We would go nuts. I just hate the way footy has gone, where players don't stick to contracts and demand to go to the highest bidder even when they weren't on the market. That's just me I'm a romantic. It will ruin something in the way people follow footy. I personally miss something about the old suburban footy though. There was something raw and primal about footy in those days.

look i have no problem once a player has seen out his contract coming out and saying "you know what i wanna go home trade me to XXXX" thats fine but if the player is contracted to your club then says "i wanna go home" then the club thats contracted him should have the say of where he go's in his home state based on the best offer for them or he sits out a year ... contracts should mean something they dont anymore but they should... a young kid gets his first 3 year contract if he wants to go home then fine send him home but he doesnt get to choose what club he go's home to do your 3 years then you get to choose

 

[Connorn99]

Pick 3 for pick 7 and player (what player?)

What player would be worth it?

 

[Flandersss]

Sorry but where is the rules does it say that after 2 years you cant say you want to go to a certain club? You have finished your contract so you can try and get to the club of your choice. Its nothing like anything you said. I think we are arguing over completely different things. I haven't once suggested a player coming into the AFL should pick the club of his choice. I have actually said that some recruiters were weak not taking Merrett at the draft. What I am saying is players can have the right to choose their club after the contract or in this case when both parties are happy to part ways. Whether he gets there is no certainty but both clubs will try to get the deal done and if they cant then bad luck for the player. Now if anyone can tell me why a player cant say the club of choice then we are discussing the right situation.