List Mgmt. 2019 Draft Mega Thread - Pickett is not eligible as F/S or NGA

[Adz2332]

Would dylan stevens be good to go round 1 in the duursma mould?

 

[Macca19]

Would dylan stevens be good to go round 1 in the duursma mould?

Yep

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Its not a disadvantage. Our aboriginal academy is more of an educational academy. It is in no way linked to the nga academy that we and other clubs have. There is literally nothing to get upset about with this

 

[Taylor]

Why does Fremantle have first dibs on Henry this draft? We have an Aboriginal academy and don't get first dibs.

And by official he means there is different sets of rules for different teams.

Henry must be regional wa.

Wa teams will likely do very well from theirs, they traditionally have a very very large indigenous population outside of the metro zone and football is the number 1 sport there.

Who would have been the last player to qualify under our current rules?

Shaun Burgoyne from 15 odd years ago?

He is an NGA player from regional WA. In this circumstance it's about 200km out of Perth, which by Perth terms isn't that far out of town.

 

[Adz2332]

Yep

all aboard that train then. another duursma is exactly what the team needs.

 

[Rendaw]

We would need to trade up for Dylan Stephens which I dont think would be worth it.

Our first pick will get a choice of the scraps of that 2nd tier of players. Although I would want to try to get hold of another pick if we could.

 

[shewho]

Macca, would Serong, Flanders, Ash and Young be ready to go R1- now we are a chance to get St Kilda's #6.

 

[robbo1981]

Its not a disadvantage. Our aboriginal academy is more of an educational academy. It is in no way linked to the nga academy that we and other clubs have. There is literally nothing to get upset about with this

I don't care should be able to access these kids we are putting the work into its called an Aboriginal academy and is producing AFL player's.

 

[Macca19]

Macca, would Serong, Flanders, Ash and Young be ready to go R1- now we are a chance to get St Kilda's #6.

I think Ash and Young would be ready to go.

Flanders 50/50. Has the body to play straight away, but can see him spending time in the reserves first.

Serong I don't see playing straight away.

 

[missionpossible]

Port Adelaide, please tell Dougal Howard that he is a required player and he's going nowhere; tell him to pull his head in. There are millions of small forward outside types in the game but tall, athletic footballers that can mark, kick, run, tackle, kick goals and hold down a key position are as rare as hen's teeth and we would be absolutely f****ng stupid to even contemplate letting him leave.

As for this Fantasia bloke, he is brittle plus we have a host of his type. He played 15 games this year and 13 the year before. If he wants badly to come to Port, that's good but lets not be stupid and even contemplate Howard or an early draft pick for that fella - he's just not worth it. Howard for him is like trading your HT 350 Monaro for a clapped out Morris Minor.

I am so 100% polar opposite to this

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Last year we traded in all those 4th round draft picks probably with one eye in case we had to use them for matching bids on Mead and/or Burgoyne.

The original picks after the 2019 GF, were 61 (from North), 62 (from Adelaide) 63 (our pick) and 66 (Bulldogs). That got us 135+123+112+80 = 450 pts.

Now after the 2 GC priority picks and compo picks for Ellis, Tomlinson and Ellis-Yolman that means our picks are now 66+67+68+71 => 80+69+59+29 = 237 pts. I'm sure our recruiting gurus knew something like this would happen, but wonder how many pts they estimated they might lose. there might be more compo picks to come making our pts lost even higher.

213 pts could be a significant loss depending how high up a bid for Mead happens.

We have picks 10 and 29 at the moment and no 3rd round pick as we traded that away in the Wingard trade last year. Up to and including pick 18 we get a 20% discount for a father son or academy matching bid. After pick 18 its a flat 197 pts discount.

So if we get to pick 29 and no one has picked Mead, we draft someone else and then match for Mead, given 25ish is his expected range. A pick 30 matching bid would result in the following;
Pick 30 => 629 pts - 197 pt discount = 432 pts. We had 450 but now only have 237, means a deficit of 205 pts.

If we were to match we either a) have to have traded in some picks, pick 55 = 207 pts and pick 56 = 194 pts, or b) go into deficit in 2020.

The rules are that any deficit carried forward goes off your first round pick next year.

So if we ended up with pick 10 again next year its 1395 - 205 = 1190 pts.
Pick 13 = 1212 pts and pick 14 is 1,161 pts so we would end up with pick 14 - or we would have pick 14 to trade and the 1,190-1,161 = 29 pts are left over, which would also give us pick 71 and bump everyone's pick after pick 70 down 1 spot.

Having to match a bid at pick 40 means we need 232 pts to match. So as we have 237 at the moment, we would have 5 pts surplus left over which doesn't get us a new pick.

Any pick after 40 means we can match and have surplus left over pts, that will generate a new draft pick.

Having to match pick 38 or 39 would see us with small deficits of 31 pts and 12 pts respectively and if we carry that deficit to 2020 those small amounts wouldn't change our first round pick, as the difference between pick 17 and 18 is 1025-985 = 40 pts.

One Phantom Draft on the Draft Hub with Phantom Draft sub forum, had us matching a bid for Mead as high as pick 16.

Pick 16 -> 1067 pts - 20% discount ie 213 pts = 854 pts.
To match that we will have to give up pick 29 = 653 pts + picks 66+67+68 => 80+69+59 pts = 208 pts.

I don't know if the club would be prepared to match a pick 16 bid for Mead.

Confused?? Its all explained at

https://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Father-son-bidding-system.pdf

 

[Northalives]

I am so 100% polar opposite to this

Really? You would trade a young, up and coming key position player who has actually Captained the side for a bloke that's injury prone and no better than Jimmy Toumpas? I'd rather have Jimmy back using a very late draft pick than that other fella but to even consider giving up Howard for him is ludicrous.

There are a million Fantasia's about but Howard types are very, very hard to find and if you do find one as a youngster you think may cut it, then you have to invest years to see if he can. Remember when Howard was a young fella and carried our ruck's single handedly? This bloke is a required player at Port - Fantasia, we've got a stack of them and they aren't injury prone.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

And our F/S pick actually wasn't eligible to be taken F/S at the time.

And our 100 game premiership captains son is not.

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[Enviable Tradition]

This would scare the crap out of me

I guess we don't need to worry about the go home factor of the Vic Metro boys if we are going to kick them out for the sugar hit of high draft picks anyway.

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[OneGreatClub]

Last year we traded in all those 4th round draft picks probably with one eye in case we had to use them for matching bids on Mead and/or Burgoyne.

The original picks after the 2019 GF, were 61 (from North), 62 (from Adelaide) 63 (our pick) and 66 (Bulldogs). That got us 135+123+112+80 = 450 pts.

Now after the 2 GC priority picks and compo picks for Ellis, Tomlinson and Ellis-Yolman that means our picks are now 66+67+68+71 => 80+69+59+29 = 237 pts. I'm sure our recruiting gurus knew something like this would happen, but wonder how many pts they estimated they might lose. there might be more compo picks to come making our pts lost even higher.

213 pts could be a significant loss depending how high up a bid for Mead happens.

We have picks 10 and 29 at the moment and no 3rd round pick as we traded that away in the Wingard trade last year. Up to and including pick 18 we get a 20% discount for a father son or academy matching bid. After pick 18 its a flat 197 pts discount.

So if we get to pick 29 and no one has picked Mead, we draft someone else and then match for Mead, given 25ish is his expected range. A pick 30 matching bid would result in the following;
Pick 30 => 629 pts - 197 pt discount = 432 pts. We had 450 but now only have 237, means a deficit of 205 pts.

If we were to match we either a) have to have traded in some picks, pick 55 = 207 pts and pick 56 = 194 pts, or b) go into deficit in 2020.

The rules are that any deficit carried forward goes off your first round pick next year.

So if we ended up with pick 10 again next year its 1395 - 205 = 1190 pts.
Pick 13 = 1212 pts and pick 14 is 1,161 pts so we would end up with pick 14 - or we would have pick 14 to trade and the 1,190-1,161 = 29 pts are left over, which would also give us pick 71 and bump everyone's pick after pick 70 down 1 spot.

Having to match a bid at pick 40 means we need 232 pts to match. So as we have 237 at the moment, we would have 5 pts surplus left over which doesn't get us a new pick.

Any pick after 40 means we can match and have surplus left over pts, that will generate a new draft pick.

Having to match pick 38 or 39 would see us with small deficits of 31 pts and 12 pts respectively and if we carry that deficit to 2020 those small amounts wouldn't change our first round pick, as the difference between pick 17 and 18 is 1025-985 = 40 pts.

One Phantom Draft on the Draft Hub with Phantom Draft sub forum, had us matching a bid for Mead as high as pick 16.

Pick 16 -> 1067 pts - 20% discount ie 213 pts = 854 pts.
To match that we will have to give up pick 29 = 653 pts + picks 66+67+68 => 80+69+59 pts = 208 pts.

I don't know if the club would be prepared to match a pick 16 bid for Mead.

Confused?? Its all explained at

https://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Father-son-bidding-system.pdf

What a crazy system. FU GCS.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

We d be stupid not to draft mead

Wed also be stupid to telegraph what we are willing to match to get Mead.

It would leak out to the opposiiton recruiters and they would take advantage by bidding earlier than they otherwise would.

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[RussellEbertHandball]

What a crazy system. FU GCS.

Classic simplicity vs equity trade off.

Keep it simple - Tom Hawkins F/S selection give up a 3rd rounder or Heeney 2nd best player in his draft year but Sydney only give up their first pick - pick 18, for him.

Vs

Fairer pay market value system, but have to invent shit to invent a way of measuring market value.

 

[Ishikawa]

Really? You would trade a young, up and coming key position player who has actually Captained the side for a bloke that's injury prone and no better than Jimmy Toumpas? I'd rather have Jimmy back using a very late draft pick than that other fella but to even consider giving up Howard for him is ludicrous.

There are a million Fantasia's about but Howard types are very, very hard to find and if you do find one as a youngster you think may cut it, then you have to invest years to see if he can. Remember when Howard was a young fella and carried our ruck's single handedly? This bloke is a required player at Port - Fantasia, we've got a stack of them and they aren't injury prone.

Seen some hysterical and ludicrous posts this week but that dribble just about takes the cake

I don't understand why the club is pushing out Howard and disagree with it. Has plenty of potential but he's no star yet though - so we won't get the right level of compensation for his possible talent at a time where our key position stocks are at an inflection point.

 

[Adz2332]

Last year we traded in all those 4th round draft picks probably with one eye in case we had to use them for matching bids on Mead and/or Burgoyne.

The original picks after the 2019 GF, were 61 (from North), 62 (from Adelaide) 63 (our pick) and 66 (Bulldogs). That got us 135+123+112+80 = 450 pts.

Now after the 2 GC priority picks and compo picks for Ellis, Tomlinson and Ellis-Yolman that means our picks are now 66+67+68+71 => 80+69+59+29 = 237 pts. I'm sure our recruiting gurus knew something like this would happen, but wonder how many pts they estimated they might lose. there might be more compo picks to come making our pts lost even higher.

213 pts could be a significant loss depending how high up a bid for Mead happens.

We have picks 10 and 29 at the moment and no 3rd round pick as we traded that away in the Wingard trade last year. Up to and including pick 18 we get a 20% discount for a father son or academy matching bid. After pick 18 its a flat 197 pts discount.

So if we get to pick 29 and no one has picked Mead, we draft someone else and then match for Mead, given 25ish is his expected range. A pick 30 matching bid would result in the following;
Pick 30 => 629 pts - 197 pt discount = 432 pts. We had 450 but now only have 237, means a deficit of 205 pts.

If we were to match we either a) have to have traded in some picks, pick 55 = 207 pts and pick 56 = 194 pts, or b) go into deficit in 2020.

The rules are that any deficit carried forward goes off your first round pick next year.

So if we ended up with pick 10 again next year its 1395 - 205 = 1190 pts.
Pick 13 = 1212 pts and pick 14 is 1,161 pts so we would end up with pick 14 - or we would have pick 14 to trade and the 1,190-1,161 = 29 pts are left over, which would also give us pick 71 and bump everyone's pick after pick 70 down 1 spot.

Having to match a bid at pick 40 means we need 232 pts to match. So as we have 237 at the moment, we would have 5 pts surplus left over which doesn't get us a new pick.

Any pick after 40 means we can match and have surplus left over pts, that will generate a new draft pick.

Having to match pick 38 or 39 would see us with small deficits of 31 pts and 12 pts respectively and if we carry that deficit to 2020 those small amounts wouldn't change our first round pick, as the difference between pick 17 and 18 is 1025-985 = 40 pts.

One Phantom Draft on the Draft Hub with Phantom Draft sub forum, had us matching a bid for Mead as high as pick 16.

Pick 16 -> 1067 pts - 20% discount ie 213 pts = 854 pts.
To match that we will have to give up pick 29 = 653 pts + picks 66+67+68 => 80+69+59 pts = 208 pts.

I don't know if the club would be prepared to match a pick 16 bid for Mead.

Confused?? Its all explained at

https://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/AFL/Files/Father-son-bidding-system.pdf

The players being traded out will hopefully take up some of that slack.
Sgray, Ryder,

 

[raptalia]

Just when you think Hinkley and co could not be that stupid they do something to prove you wrong.

We now know that Jason Cripps suggested to Doogs that, 'it might be in his best interests to look elsewhere'. We also know where that suggestion would have come from.

The decision to move Howard on is an admission that we have wasted four seasons developing a 199cm KPP and I am beginning to think that Hinkley suffers from a small man syndrome and has something against having big men on his list. How else can you explain the decision to move Ryder, Frampton and Howard on in one draft period? Unless we recruit a 199cm young gun or two in this draft we will be left with a couple of erratic 30 year old talls in Dixon and Watts, a player in probably his last season in Westhoff and tall kid who is not a KPP in Marshall.

At the same time that Hinkley gets rid of Dougal Howard he is prepared to stick with middle of the road smaller performers such as Motlop, Sutcliffe, Mayes and Johnson. It seems that it is OK to keep under performing smaller players on the list and go after a 179cm one season wonder but not to have sufficient talls to cover our needs.

The decision to suggest that Dougal Howard looks elsewhere is yet another dot point on the list of stupid decisions made by our Club over the past five or so seasons.

 

[Adz2332]

Jason Cripps suggested to Doogs that, 'it might be in his best interests to look elsewhere'.

hes right though, He probably likes Doogs and is telling him to get out while he can. Hinkley hates young talls

 

[Rendaw]

Would like Weightman with 18 if we get it. Better to start with a new prospect then take Fantasia

 

[shewho]

The Top 10 looks like
1. GC Rowell
2. GC Anderson
3. ME Young
4. AD D.Stephens
5. ES (for Daniher) Serong
6. GWS Ash
7. FR Flanders
8. NM Green - matched by GWS
9. NM Kemp
10. SY (for Papley) ????

It mean #10 gets us one of Gould, McAsey, Worrell or Jackson. In short, I really want a ready to go mid forward with #10 but that looks unlikely. It looks like our chances of trading up have gone.

 

[Adz2332]

The Top 10 looks like
1. GC Rowell
2. GC Anderson
3. ME Young
4. AD D.Stephens
5. ES (for Daniher) Serong
6. GWS Ash
7. FR Flanders
8. NM Green - matched by GWS
9. NM Kemp
10. SY (for Papley) ????

It mean #10 gets us one of Gould, McAsey, Worrell or Jackson. In short, I really want a ready to go mid forward with #10 but that looks unlikely. It looks like our chances of trading up have gone.

i want stephens at port but pick 4 is a massive reach

 

[Schulzenfest]

i want stephens at port but pick 4 is a massive reach

Ah well. Bont at 4, Dangerfield at 10 and Cripps at 13 were all once considered reaches.