Play Nice 2019 Non AFL Admin, Crowds, Ratings, Participation etc thread

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Our Game said:
"It can't be good for the reputation of the City group to be consistently playing in front of empty seats though. They'd be better off buying some other team in Asia somewhere that actually has fans."
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The City Football Group has an 80% share (other 20% is with the owners of the Melbourne Storm) in Melbourne City that cost them $12 million and was more than re-couped when they sold Aaron Mooy to £10 million. So that has paid off and they have got other players ready to sell to increase the benefit of their buy in.

As better off buying other clubs in Asia, they have done that.

They have had a 20% share in J-League side Yokohama F. Marinos since 2014 but if they establish a Japan based subsidiary then they can in time seek to eventually own a controlling stake in the club. From this share in Yokohama, the City Football Group gained a sponsorship deal with Nissan who founded Yokohama and have as their current manager of Yokohama, one Ange Postecoglou. In Feburary they brought Sichuan Jiuniu Football Club in China in partnership with China Media Capital who own 13% of the City Football Group.

So their reach in Asia is bigger than just Melbourne City already, it has already paid off in many way than just crowds
 
robbieando said:
The City Football Group has an 80% share (other 20% is with the owners of the Melbourne Storm) in Melbourne City that cost them $12 million and was more than re-couped when they sold Aaron Mooy to £10 million. So that has paid off and they have got other players ready to sell to increase the benefit of their buy in.
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That's a bit disingenuous given they need to pump in millions on an annual basis. If you're going to ignore that in any cost/benefit analysis then it's going to look a ton better than reality.
 

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robbieando said:
The City Football Group has an 80% share (other 20% is with the owners of the Melbourne Storm) in Melbourne City that cost them $12 million and was more than re-couped when they sold Aaron Mooy to £10 million. So that has paid off and they have got other players ready to sell to increase the benefit of their buy in.

As better off buying other clubs in Asia, they have done that.

They have had a 20% share in J-League side Yokohama F. Marinos since 2014 but if they establish a Japan based subsidiary then they can in time seek to eventually own a controlling stake in the club. From this share in Yokohama, the City Football Group gained a sponsorship deal with Nissan who founded Yokohama and have as their current manager of Yokohama, one Ange Postecoglou. In Feburary they brought Sichuan Jiuniu Football Club in China in partnership with China Media Capital who own 13% of the City Football Group.

So their reach in Asia is bigger than just Melbourne City already, it has already paid off in many way than just crowds
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Its also the case that everything may be just peachy for City, doesn't mean its good for the FFA, or the A league, or Soccer in Australia in general. I would think at the moment the amount of money professional soccer can generate in Australia is limited, for City group to be sucking millions out to send home is not a positive for anyone but City.
 
jatz14 said:
Its also the case that everything may be just peachy for City, doesn't mean its good for the FFA, or the A league, or Soccer in Australia in general. I would think at the moment the amount of money professional soccer can generate in Australia is limited, for City group to be sucking millions out to send home is not a positive for anyone but City.
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Agree, what city already made from Mooy (plus what they'll make from the sale of Arzani), will be enough to fund a decade plus of losses, it doesn't really look like they're interested in pumping in a whole lot more, and they couldn't care less if they're only getting 5k attendances, that's not the main game for them, if they can find two playes to onsell every 8 years or so, that's enough

Importantly, revenue from the selling of players goes into consolidated revenue, very little of it will find its way back into the Australian game
 
Gigantor said:
not only are ratings rock bottom, the attendance for 5 games for the round just completed only just made it to 40,000
probably have to go back a long time to find a round where the average crowd was 8k
only a week ago a womens game of footy got 53k
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I think the FFA are being stupid to allow their matches to be played deep into the AFL,NRL and RU seasons when they clearly cannot compete with the big boys for TV and media coverage..
 
robbieando said:
The City Football Group has an 80% share (other 20% is with the owners of the Melbourne Storm) in Melbourne City that cost them $12 million and was more than re-couped when they sold Aaron Mooy to £10 million. So that has paid off and they have got other players ready to sell to increase the benefit of their buy in.

As better off buying other clubs in Asia, they have done that.

They have had a 20% share in J-League side Yokohama F. Marinos since 2014 but if they establish a Japan based subsidiary then they can in time seek to eventually own a controlling stake in the club. From this share in Yokohama, the City Football Group gained a sponsorship deal with Nissan who founded Yokohama and have as their current manager of Yokohama, one Ange Postecoglou. In Feburary they brought Sichuan Jiuniu Football Club in China in partnership with China Media Capital who own 13% of the City Football Group.

So their reach in Asia is bigger than just Melbourne City already, it has already paid off in many way than just crowds
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That's not the case anymore CFG own Melbourne City 100% and they where never owned by Storm to begin with. it was a small consortium of businessmen who also had financial interests in Melbourne Storm (not part of the Storm). But it's no longer the case hasn't been for almost four years now.

source Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Football_Group

They are also looking at buying a team in India.

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/city-football-group-targeting-investment-in-india
 
The City Football group is not about making a profit. They have money to burn. The whole enterprise is to make the City group the biggest club in the world.

If they wanted to make Melbourne City big, they would just sign a huge marquee. They are not. They are looking at footprints in different leagues in the world.
 
BobbyMorri said:
The City Football group is not about making a profit. They have money to burn. The whole enterprise is to make the City group the biggest club in the world.

If they wanted to make Melbourne City big, they would just sign a huge marquee. They are not. They are looking at footprints in different leagues in the world.
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Didn't they sign Cahill? He'd rate as a huge marquee in Australia.

But they don't have bottomless pockets. Anything they spend on Melbourne is not just money they probably won't entirely get back, it's money that they can't spend on other teams where they'd get more bang for their buck.
 
Rob said:
Didn't they sign Cahill? He'd rate as a huge marquee in Australia.

But they don't have bottomless pockets. Anything they spend on Melbourne is not just money they probably won't entirely get back, it's money that they can't spend on other teams where they'd get more bang for their buck.
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And who else....They could easily send a loan player from New York City or Melbourne City like Lampard or villa did. The FFA wouldn't care.

They are a bottomless pit. Normal business practices don't apply with them . It is if they want to or not. ATM, they are happy with just the networks that having a team in Australia give them.

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B.Canavan, NRL Head Of Football, on 19.9.18 in the RL Annual Tom Brock Lecture, said:-

. there are "3000 tackle" regd. female RL players in Australia in 2018 (about 41 minute mark)
(AFAIK, this is the first time an official no. has been provided of total female regd. GR RL contact players.

As the NRL only started to heavily promote female contact RL in 2018, with the creation of the NRLW, & female GR contact RL is having good growth in 2019, it can be expected there will be ongoing strong growth. Also, female regd. contact RU- especially RU 7's- is also having strong growth. These developments must adversely affect female GR AF growth in NSW & Qld in the future).

."We've increased our numbers (ie GR RL regd. male & female nos., plus huge nos in touch & tag- my words), but it is a bit of a FURPHY (my emphasis), our women's numbers are up 28 %, so it covers a dip in the men's participation" (about 40 minute 30 seconds mark).

."There are about 170,000+ registered tackle players...There is this huge beast called touch football...680,000 participants, 48% of them are female. We must attempt to integrate them into our game (contact RL- my words)" (about 46 minute mark).

Roy Masters said "Rural NSW is under siege...now you would be flat out to get a decent player from the bush" (about 39 minutes, 30 seconds).
(Referring to the significant, long term decline in nos. in rural NSW male GR RL players- & the rural NSW rise of GR AF nos.).

http://www.tombrock.com.au/category/tom-brock-lecture-2/
 
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NoobPie said:
Actually gigantor is right. As in, the primary purpose of city group owning Melbourne City is orientated towards benefiting Manchester City, particularly with the financial fair play laws. The purpose of the Shiek owning city itself is probably part hobby party regime reputation laundering

What that means is that anyone hoping city group are ever going to spill money into the a league will be hoping for a very long time
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Are you suggesting Melbourne City are in the black??
 
Kwality said:
Are you suggesting Melbourne City are in the black??
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Melbourne City are not, but City group are in the black with regards Australia. This is because they can extract European transfer fees for their players, but Australian clubs cannot.

City identifies a prospect, signs them to Manchester City, then sells them, pockets a lazy $10 mill.

This is the danger City group represents. Talent in Australia is much more valuable in Europe than it is in Australia. City can profit from this, but clubs like Victory cannot. A player leaves Victory and goes to England, Victory get jack s**t.

If City group can entice them to City, then get them to sign a deal with their English club, they can then on sell them for significant dollars.

Buy low, sell high, the foundation of speculation everywhere.

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jatz14 said:
Melbourne City are not, but City group are in the black with regards Australia. This is because they can extract European transfer fees for their players, but Australian clubs cannot.

City identifies a prospect, signs them to Manchester City, then sells them, pockets a lazy $10 mill.

This is the danger City group represents. Talent in Australia is much more valuable in Europe than it is in Australia. City can profit from this, but clubs like Victory cannot. A player leaves Victory and goes to England, Victory get jack s**t.

If City group can entice them to City, then get them to sign a deal with their English club, they can then on sell them for significant dollars.

Buy low, sell high, the foundation of speculation everywhere.

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Well said, that's a big part of it. The Mooy trade probably wrenched back the majority of the money they have poured into Melbourne city in one hit.

The other factor is they are apparently a big force behind the attempt to take over of the A League and minimise the diversion of its revenues to the FFA

Despite all this, I am not sure City group are in the black in terms of Australia. I suspect they over estimated how poorly Melbourne city would go commercially as well.
 
jatz14 said:
Melbourne City are not, but City group are in the black with regards Australia. This is because they can extract European transfer fees for their players, but Australian clubs cannot.

City identifies a prospect, signs them to Manchester City, then sells them, pockets a lazy $10 mill.

This is the danger City group represents. Talent in Australia is much more valuable in Europe than it is in Australia. City can profit from this, but clubs like Victory cannot. A player leaves Victory and goes to England, Victory get jack s**t.

If City group can entice them to City, then get them to sign a deal with their English club, they can then on sell them for significant dollars.

Buy low, sell high, the foundation of speculation everywhere.

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& why comparing crowds/ratings A League soccer with AFL footy is a folly for both the soccer followers & the AFL cheerleaders.
 
NRL

Round 5 of the NRL Premiership season was watched by its lowest audience of the season, but 3.67m viewers still tuned in for the 8 matches broadcast over the weekend. Total NRL ratings are down slightly by 4.3% on last season.

In the 5 capitals ratings, ratings are up 4.3%, led by Sydney broadcasts which are up almost 9%, while Brisbane is up almost 4.5% on the first five rounds of last year. The GEM markets are faring less well, down more than 5% on last year. Regional ratings are down 8%, and Foxleague trails last year ever so slightly down 1.4%.

Thursday nights Broncos v Tigers clash was the top rating NRL game on Free to Air and on Foxtel with 675,000 watching on the Nine network and its affiliates nationally, and a further 275,000 watching on Foxleague.

Nine reported that the 9now streamed 2.4 million minutes of live NRL matches this round, a figure which is up 178% on last season.


A-league

Round 25 of the 2018-19 A-league season had 35,000 viewers in the metro area on 10 bold. The last three weeks have averaged 35,000 viewers in the capital cities on free to air television.

Friday nights Foxtel rating for Brisbane and Wellington was the lowest Friday broadcast of the year with just 12,000 viewers and one of the lowest for the season.

The Sydney derby on Saturday attracted 31,000 viewers to its coverage on Foxtel, in addition to Tens broadcast.

The A-league season average on Foxtel is down to 34,000 per game, and will finish the season well down on the 51,000 it averaged last season.

Super Rugby

Round of the Super Rugby on Foxtel saw Saturdays Brumbies v Lions hit 49,000 viewers, while Fridays game between the Rebels and the Stormers managed 44,000.

Across the season, Australian rugby sides are averaging around 66,000 viewers on Foxtel for the year, up from the 60,000 reported by Fairfax media in May 2018. The average for all Superrugby matches is less than 62,000
 
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