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List Mgmt. 2020 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy
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Tom Lynch.
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Yes, Joel Western & Lachie Jones were two HBFs I had thoughts on early and they only seem to have gotten better. Very unlikely to get either, as both tied to clubs that understand their value, even if bid on early I expect. They were my early thoughts - Chapman has grown on me recently because we won't have access to Western & Jones but his aggregated qualities seem on a par for our needs. I do like the thought of pairing Jack Carroll with a Chapman selection - added to Sam Taylor down back and Captain Cogs you'd hope we could make them feel part of the family.
Just need to tell the club now.
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Adrian Caruso you getting this dude?Yes, Joel Western & Lachie Jones were two HBFs I had thoughts on early and they only seem to have gotten better. Very unlikely to get either, as both tied to clubs that understand their value, even if bid on early I expect. They were my early thoughts - Chapman has grown on me recently because we won't have access to Western & Jones but his aggregated qualities seem on a par for our needs. I do like the thought of pairing Jack Carroll with a Chapman selection - added to Sam Taylor down back and Captain Cogs you'd hope we could make them feel part of the family.
Just need to tell the club now.
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I listened to his podcast - Adrian did say it was a solid draft, top 15-20 kids, then the next level 15-20 - so I think that we'll need picks in that top 35-40 otherwise we'll look to recycled players. But a good mix of types, and a draft to look for specific needs.
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I largely agree. I haven't bought into this year being a weaker draft as much as others, perhaps because there's a good chunk of academy talent in those first two groups but the open draft talent is still there. If we can get a Band 1 for Williams and then second rounders for Corr, Hately and Caldwell I'll be pretty happy with that hand, wouldn't be surprised to see our recruiting team make a move up ala Taranto 2016
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IMHO, it depends who & how many we lose, and who we rate. If we lose a few guys, then for once we may need to actually hold on to quantity and not aim for quality. I don't have a problem with chasing Taranto and with the academy guys available that year we didn't actually lose out, but had Setterfield & Perryman not been there, trading a second first round selection to go from 3 to 2 wouldn't have necessarily been the best outcome.
If we only have second rounders plus around 9 for Williams, then happy to move the second rounders for a first rounder - there's quality in those teen picks. Bulldogs perhaps, or Collingwood depending on the McInnes pick, for bid-matching points.
Of course, I'd hope we drive a hard bargain and take 16 off St Kilda for Caldwell, which I think he's worth. In which case I'd probably be happy with 2 x first rounders and then a couple of second rounders, when there's still some worthwhile quality in the 20s and low 30s IMHO.
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Agree with all of that, I worry about what those second rounders end up being around though, with FA Compo in Band 1 and 2 pushing the first round back to possibly 22/23, and I wouldn't be shocked to see 5-7 top 25 bids, those second rounders could end up at 35-40. In that case, regardless of if we get 16 for Caldwell (here's hoping) I'd prefer we trade multiple seconds to say Western Bulldogs or Collingwood. If with the bulldogs then that gives us (presumably) 9,12 and 16, pushed back maybe 2-3 picks after bids but a good first round hand that should get us what we need.
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Good question, short answer is: I believe so, but it does partly depend on whether Crouch & Daniher attract Band 1 FA compensation, which pushes us back into the maybe/maybe not zone. But there are other options, so I wouldn't pay big to move up just to grab him.
Longer answer.
My thoughts on draft progression, presuming Crouch & Daniher don't get added in before a Zac Williams FA compo (which is a third assumption!):
ADL - McDonald, Hollands or Thilthorpe
NM - likely bid on JUH, take whoever of McDonald or Hollands not taken
SYD - Thilthorpe, DGB or Phillips
HAW - possible bid on Campbell, Thilthorpe, DGB or Phillips (whoever SYD didn't take)
GCS - Thilthorpe or DGB if not taken, not sure if they are, maybe Cox or Reid, but unlikely to be Chapman if they are chasing Markov/Broad in a trade
ESS - possible Campbell bid if not earlier, O'Driscoll or Bruhn unless Phillips still there
CARL - reckon this has swapped to GEE to facilitate Saad trade, so Bruhn if still there, otherwise Henry
ADL - if they took McDonald, then maybe a Jones (Port) bid then a mid here - O'Driscoll if still there, otherwise Macrae
GWS - #11; would have options of Chapman, Cox, Reid, Perkins that are all list fits and could be around this area
Maybe that's wishful thinking - in many areas - from me, but that's just how I see it could shape. Of course trading could blow that order all to hell!
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Has Caldwell announced his intention to leave and I missed it, or are you guys assuming he is gone.
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No he hasn't announced yet, but the mail is strong that he's going to leave. I try to use the word ''if'' to indicate there's still a level of doubt, but in a string of posts the later ones sometimes lose the original intent!
Strange that this would not have been announced if true. Hately advice came out very quickly.
Perhaps Saints arguing contract terms with Jye's management?
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I heard late last week it was likely he would stay, so was quite surprised that it was taken for granted he would leave.
I guess we'll all know soon enough.
Will be a tad shocked if Jezza stays with us
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If He goes to Geelong for the money then all the best to him.
We need to get in with our preparations for 2021.
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Tbh those comments reminded me of when we made our last ditch play to boak years ago...i actually think it sounds like while geelong are coming very hard he is leaning towards staying.
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People have a very pessimistic view on all of these trade situations.
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Im hearing Jezza only wants to sign a two year contract with GWS.
The issue is the next two years the Giants have heavy back ended arrangements with other players and don't have cap room to pay Jezza $850-$900k that he wants. They can offer that amount over 4-5 years by back ending the contract, but no room for the next two years. Its 50:50 which I think means he goes to the cats. Hope I am wrong!
The issue is the next two years the Giants have heavy back ended arrangements with other players and don't have cap room to pay Jezza $850-$900k that he wants. They can offer that amount over 4-5 years by back ending the contract, but no room for the next two years. Its 50:50 which I think means he goes to the cats. Hope I am wrong!
Same
If he was staying he would have by now.
Also he has openly said he struggled this year from the isolation from his family
Geelong is close to home, in a flag window and offering good money
Can't see him staying
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Either way, the longer the decision takes, the more that a sort of stagnation sets in.
Like Cogs. Would he have been better off departing? Would the Giants be better off if he had? It's like a buyers remorse either side of the decision, that never really goes away.
Much better to rip the bandaid off early, and just call it, like Zac and Corr.
Like Cogs. Would he have been better off departing? Would the Giants be better off if he had? It's like a buyers remorse either side of the decision, that never really goes away.
Much better to rip the bandaid off early, and just call it, like Zac and Corr.
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plus about 10 more with us and a million comp wide.
there are often factors dictating it that we are not widely known.
Working on 3 at once, sometimes the overall figures are agreed apon, which years get which income based on other moving parts.
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If that was the case they wouldn't be spruiking like they are, they. Wouldn't need to, they are seriously chasing and feel they are a chance.
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Could this be the hold up?
Every time I accept he is gone I see something like this and think [emoji848] maybe?
Look, I just think if he was waiting for something like that and that he wants to stay he would come out publicly and say it.
It's all over the news everywhere about his contract and not a peep from Cameron or the Giants
We just have to accept that he will be wearing hoops next year. The only reason for the delay is that they are playing finals still.
I love Jezza and it's going to be very very hard to watch
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It's all over the news everywhere about his contract and not a peep from Cameron or the Giants
We just have to accept that he will be wearing hoops next year. The only reason for the delay is that they are playing finals still.
I love Jezza and it's going to be very very hard to watch
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