List Mgmt. 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread

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Paracleet said:
If playing 11 games in his last year, irrespective of how well in or how many games he played in the previous 2, is sufficient to trigger an extension then we deserve to have it triggered for crafting a bad contract.
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Unless they didn't think he'd play many do start with in the first couple, as they'd be most likely fixing Navicular and trying to help improve mental health etc first
 
se17enteen said:
Let’s say Hogan stays.

Do we really want him to play 11 games next year to trigger that 2 year extension and massive payrise?

He doesn’t deserve it.

This is the reason why both Freo/Hogan want this trade to happen this year.


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If he plays those 11 games and kicks 20 goals, would he deserve it then? If he plays 20 games and kick 35 goals, would he deserve it then?
If he kicked 20 goals and it triggered an extension, then hell yeah I’d want him to play those 11 games.
Sorry - but I think your comment is so full of ifs, buts, whats and subjective conjecture that it has no real meaning.
 
ImperialPurple said:
If he plays those 11 games and kicks 20 goals, would he deserve it then? If he plays 20 games and kick 35 goals, would he deserve it then?
If he kicked 20 goals and it triggered an extension, then hell yeah I’d want him to play those 11 games.
Sorry - but I think your comment is so full of ifs, buts, whats and subjective conjecture that it has no real meaning.
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The post has meaning but you just don't agree with what it says.

Subjective conjecture is exactly what trade week and the draft is about for teams. Making a judgement without having all the information.
 

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YOUNG CAT CLARK WANTS TO STICK AROUND

Geelong first-round pick Jordan Clark is keen to remain at the Cats despite Fremantle’s interest, as the Dockers prepare to make a decision this week on Jesse Hogan’s future.

The pacy Cats half back has met with list manager Stephen Wells over Zoom in recent weeks, with both parties keen for him to remain at the club.

West Australian 20-year-old Clark was frustrated with the lack of opportunities in the backline this year as the Cats marched all the way to a Grand Final.

But with Geelong’s key backs looking top-heavy in the Grand Final and lacking dare with their kicking, he shapes as a natural solution if he can find a space in the team.

Fremantle has selection 10 in the national draft and has an interest in securing him but it would need to be an exceptional deal for the Cats to consider letting him go.

The Dockers have decisions to make on whether to consider offers for Hogan, who has some interest from Sydney but no concrete offers from rival clubs.

The Herald Sun understands Fremantle will meet with his management this week ahead of next Wednesday‘s trade period kick-off.

The Dockers are adamant they have not actively shopped him around, despite reports, but it is no secret he would consider offers that would give him more contract security.

He has one season left on his initial deal and is unlikely to meet a trigger clause that would hand him two extra seasons.

Despite a raft of speculation about clubs including Collingwood registering its interest, he has no official offer.

But Sydney has made contact with Fremantle, with Hogan feeling his strong pre-season leading into 2020 gave him the best chance to succeed.

He played seven games and kicked four goals in Round 17 against North Melbourne and was mostly fit to play.


He finished the season with a COVID breach after asking a female into his quarantine in a decision that saw him fined $8000.

But at 25, and having kicked 47 goals in 2018, he still has high-end talent which means clubs will be interested in his services.

Sydney is desperate for more tall players, including ruck back-up, given this season’s spate of injuries, and there is doubt about the capacity of Lance Franklin to throw off his hamstring issues.

Former key-forward Tom McCartin now looks more suited to key-defensive post, while intercept marker Aliir Aliir has been offered a four-year deal at Port Adelaide.
 
Monument Hills said:
so we picked last year's Rising Star winner and there's complaints that we wasted a top pick on Hogan, but yet we also want to swap out a (sort of) top 10 pick for a bloke that can't make his team's best 22. Why wouldn't we use our first pick to get the best tall forward we can. Western and Brandon will top up the speed needs for a packet of chips. Team balance restored regardless of what Hogan does or doesn't do.
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Not much around that pick that fits the bill by all reports , but a couple tipped to go early to mid 2nd round

So moving backs probably better than reaching that far if that’s the way “forward” for us

Probably better off getting someone/s from the rookie list though 2nd/3rd round KPF’s probably have to worst success rate of any position to pick ratio


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Hayden Young's older brother to move from the Bulldog's rookie list to North.
 
Some teams decide to trade a player a year before they're out of contract so they don't lose leverage the following year. This is completely irrelevant in the Hogan situation as he's currently worth peanuts. We may as well give one more chance to a highly talented key forward than accept a second-rounder in a massively speculative draft.
 
heypenny said:
It would be so sweet if we did absolutely nothing this trade period.

We keep our (troubled but) talented KPP for one last chance. We take another top ten pick to the draft along with Walker, Western and a speculative winger/ruckman. I would give this an A+
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Nah piss Blakely off for literally anything and be done with it imo.

Also think pick 28 will only be used on matching a Walker bid anyway so we may as well downgrade it into multiple picks.
 
So which conspiracy theory is more likely?
a. Hogan has no hope of triggering a "minimum # of games over three year clause" in his contract, so he wants out and is shagging girls in quarantine, getting all tired and emotional around Bell etc in a Machiavellian plot hatched with his manager to get us to trade him for some security
b. The club signed a dumb contract with a trigger clause for games played in the final year only that will have Hogan in clover, and realising their mistake the club are now trying to reverse it to the extent that the pres and CEO are gaslighting him in the media and threatening to put him up for trade
c. Neither of the above, it's all baloney and he'll be happily playing for us next year.

I don't really know, but I know which one gets the least number of clicks on media sites.
 
Lachie Young using that free agency rule where he was offered a rookie contract at dogs but a main list spot elsewhere.

Just confirming we were correct in assuming Mihocek wouldn't fit under those rules guidelines.
 
Dirty_banchez said:
YOUNG CAT CLARK WANTS TO STICK AROUND

Geelong first-round pick Jordan Clark is keen to remain at the Cats despite Fremantle’s interest, as the Dockers prepare to make a decision this week on Jesse Hogan’s future.

The pacy Cats half back has met with list manager Stephen Wells over Zoom in recent weeks, with both parties keen for him to remain at the club.

West Australian 20-year-old Clark was frustrated with the lack of opportunities in the backline this year as the Cats marched all the way to a Grand Final.

But with Geelong’s key backs looking top-heavy in the Grand Final and lacking dare with their kicking, he shapes as a natural solution if he can find a space in the team.

Fremantle has selection 10 in the national draft and has an interest in securing him but it would need to be an exceptional deal for the Cats to consider letting him go.

The Dockers have decisions to make on whether to consider offers for Hogan, who has some interest from Sydney but no concrete offers from rival clubs.

The Herald Sun understands Fremantle will meet with his management this week ahead of next Wednesday‘s trade period kick-off.

The Dockers are adamant they have not actively shopped him around, despite reports, but it is no secret he would consider offers that would give him more contract security.

He has one season left on his initial deal and is unlikely to meet a trigger clause that would hand him two extra seasons.

Despite a raft of speculation about clubs including Collingwood registering its interest, he has no official offer.

But Sydney has made contact with Fremantle, with Hogan feeling his strong pre-season leading into 2020 gave him the best chance to succeed.

He played seven games and kicked four goals in Round 17 against North Melbourne and was mostly fit to play.


He finished the season with a COVID breach after asking a female into his quarantine in a decision that saw him fined $8000.

But at 25, and having kicked 47 goals in 2018, he still has high-end talent which means clubs will be interested in his services.

Sydney is desperate for more tall players, including ruck back-up, given this season’s spate of injuries, and there is doubt about the capacity of Lance Franklin to throw off his hamstring issues.

Former key-forward Tom McCartin now looks more suited to key-defensive post, while intercept marker Aliir Aliir has been offered a four-year deal at Port Adelaide.
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So we take Perkins, trade Hoges for a couple of picks that gets us Neale and Lane (or Winder) and we have a crack at Clarke next year 👍
 
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Is Treloar worth a look? Getting pushed out the door at Collingwood, although the problem is that it's largely related to his back-ended contract and given we apparently have salary cap issue we might not be able to afford him.
 
Purple_Turtle said:
Is Treloar worth a look? Getting pushed out the door at Collingwood, although the problem is that it's largely related to his back-ended contract and given we apparently have salary cap issue we might not be able to afford him.
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Absolutely not. He's the last type of player we need. A 28-year-old accumulator that doesn't do much damage with his disposal. We're absolutely stacked with midfielders. He would be pushing out Serong (or hopefully the other way around).
 
CapitalA said:
We have a cheaper option....move the no.1 contested player in the comp out of the forward line back into the midfield.
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Totally agree, Scott got slammed on the weekend for leaving Dangerfield forward the whole of the 3rd quarter when Tigers were going wild. Why try to turn Fyfe constantly into a forward when his greatest strength is the contested ball.
 
CapitalA said:
We have a cheaper option....move the no.1 contested player in the comp out of the forward line back into the midfield.
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Cripps is the #1 contested possession player based off career average, so I agree. We should put him into the middle.

Fyfe in the middle can't happen all game, in those down periods I don't think he was in the middle. If we had another gun clearance mid in there to win the hard ball then we don't have a run of score against us when we aren't playing our first choice mids.
 
Midnite65 said:
Totally agree, Scott got slammed on the weekend for leaving Dangerfield forward the whole of the 3rd quarter when Tigers were going wild. Why try to turn Fyfe constantly into a forward when his greatest strength is the contested ball.
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If it adds two to three years to his career to play 60% midfield?
 
se17enteen said:
Let’s say Hogan stays.

Do we really want him to play 11 games next year to trigger that 2 year extension and massive payrise?

He doesn’t deserve it.

This is the reason why both Freo/Hogan want this trade to happen this year.


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So we don’t want Hogan to play most of the games, kick a heap of goals & be that key forward we’ve been crying out for, hopefully for the next 5 or 6 years?
 
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