NFL 2021 — NFL Pre-Draft Discussion

[GG.exe]

Should've followed Simms for sure on that one. I remember too when I was a Simms hater but now I feel so silly. Specifically I remember following 2013 his list of the top 5 QBs having Peyton 4th and Brady missing. I thought he was so ******ed but over time you grow to realise he was correct. Stats and teammates are irrelevant

Um thats proof already hes often wrong

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Some people want it easy, not have to think for themselves, or even question the opinions/analyses of others. Never thought LA would become one of those

It's a stunning outcome.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Um thats proof already hes often wrong

Where's the proof, he was right

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

GTFO here. He got quicker?

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Wilson - generational talent, with the likes of Rodgers, Mahomes, Elway, etc.

Lawrence - need to see him develop into an NFL QB as opposed to a college QB. But he has all the tools to do so. Top tier potential if he works out but he's not a ready made prospect like Peyton Manning was

Jones - will be a top 10ish QB in the realm of Brady, Cousins, Ryan, etc. Can perform at an elite level wins and statistics wise if he has the team and coaching around him - likewise with poor talent around him he wont cost you games and will have nice looking statistics to his name

Fields - immense talent but needs the right system around him to succeed. At best MVP calibre, at worst Cam Newton 2020 if he doesnt have the surrounding talent

Lance - great arm strength, but timing and accuracy are suspect. Don't think he will be able to develop into anything worthwhile

 

[GG.exe]

Chris Simms Rankings of the 2018 QB Draft Class: 1.) Lamar Jackson, 2.) Josh Allen, 3.) Baker Mayfield, 4.) Sam Darnold, 5.) Josh Rosen

The actual rankings of 2018 qb class....
Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, Sam Darnold, John Wolford, Kyle Allen, Josh Rosen.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I'd still have Jackson ahead of Mayfield right now but agree with the rest.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Mond - I compare him to Colin Kaepernick. Not a game winning talent, but won't really lose you games with turnovers. He can be good in the right system but isn't going to be a top 20 QB his whole career

 

[GG.exe]

Every year theres only realistically about 5 qbs who end getting drafted high, high enough to get a shot at a career. So naming the top 5 isnt hard. But if youre gonna tout his skill at ranking them, that means the top 5 has to be in order of how good they actually end up.

Jackson struggles at passing, allen turned out a stud, mayfield is better than jackson long term as a qb/passer. Darnold still has a chance to turn it around. Rosen busted. He never even saw that Wolford and Allen ended up better than Rosen.

His top 5 rank is wrong order. So hes wrong. Thats obvious.

Look at this 2021 class ...only about 5-7 who have a real shot at having a career.

So his top 5 again has to be exact to who ends up better among those five.

Anyone can name the top 5 qbs, cos there are only 5-7 every year. Whole point of the ranking is that they end up being ranked how they were ranked

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I do admire Simms for shaking sh*t up tho and not just going with the mainstream view. Just as a personality, he rubs me like sandpaper. That and his tendency to embellish his past thoughts.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Mainstream view of this class I think is:

Can't miss:

Lawrence
Fields

Like but too many doubts coz not familiar names to American households:

Lance
Wilson

High probability he sucks:

Mac Jones

They all suck:

The rest

 

[GG.exe]

Its obvious Wilson has the higher upside, but hes the biggest boom-bust. The draftnik community of analysts named the top qb prospects, whos got a 1st, 2nd etc round grade. Wilson came to the fore and THEN people all over accepted those names would get drafted high and start ranking them. I see it Fields Jones Lawrence Wilson Lance Trask Mond. Many have many different rankings. But i like all the sleepers and super sleepers i named. Thats more skillful imo....find the hidden gems and touting them long before anyone else even heard of them. I am sure some of those i mentioned will end up getting drafted, signed as UDFAs, and get their chance in training camp. If i get any of those sleepers right, better than what Simms or any top 5 ranking analyst ever did. Easy to find the top 5 and rry to rank them

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Its obvious Wilson has the higher upside, but hes the biggest boom-bust. The draftnik community of analysts named the top qb prospects, whos got a 1st, 2nd etc round grade. Wilson came to the fore and THEN people all over accepted those names would get drafted high and start ranking them. I see it Fields Jones Lawrence Wilson Lance Trask Mond. Many have many different rankings. But i like all the sleepers and super sleepers i named. Thats more skillful imo....find the hidden gems and touting them long before anyone else even heard of them. I am sure some of those i mentioned will end up getting drafted, signed as UDFAs, and get their chance in training camp. If i get any of those sleepers right, better than what Simms or any top 5 ranking analyst ever did. Easy to find the top 5 and rry to rank them

I pin my hat on hyping up Wilson long before people were even talking about him as a first round pick. I also don't mind being a lone ranger like you. The Wilson bandwagon has got out of control recently that I'm now starting to think he might even be getting a bit overrated (since Simms released his list)

 

[GG.exe]

I pin my hat on hyping up Wilson long before people were even talking about him as a first round pick. I also don't mind being a lone ranger like you. The Wilson bandwagon has got out of control recently that I'm now starting to think he might even be getting a bit overrated (since Simms released his list)

There are analysts who do all the hard work of scouting them, or, talking to GMs and actual scouts, to find the qbs the NFL itself considers 1st rounders, 2nd rounders etc. Long long before guys like Simms, OSullivan and dozen other media/youtube analysts put their rankings out. They wait for the word to get out first, before they rank them. What some of us instead do....is go thru all the prospects or more than the five top, like babes in wool, and play the GM/Scout game ourselves. I am not good at it, but i do it every year, refining my eye. I enjoy it, also purely for finding the sleepers before anyone else. There are also others who watched a ton of college football as it happened and form smart views, guys like dannyreed, aussiedude, adp, etc.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

There are analysts who do all the hard work of scouting them, or, talking to GMs and actual scouts, to find the qbs the NFL itself considers 1st rounders, 2nd rounders etc. Long long before guys like Simms, OSullivan and dozen other media/youtube analysts put their rankings out. They wait for the word to get out first, before they rank them. What some of us instead do....is go thru all the prospects or more than the five top, like babes in wool, and play the GM/Scout game ourselves. I am not good at it, but i do it every year, refining my eye. I enjoy it, also purely for finding the sleepers before anyone else. There are also others who watched a ton of college football as it happened and form smart views, guys like dannyreed, aussiedude, adp, etc.

Exactly, it's more a pastime. Don't take yourself too seriously and it's really fun. Who cares if you get things wrong.

 

[GG.exe]

Exactly, it's more a pastime. Don't take yourself too seriously and it's really fun. Who cares if you get things wrong.

Exactly. I dont even do it for cred. Only my own cred, seeing myself improve at it, getting more right in future than the previous year. As you know, i slog thru all the thousand prospects across all positions every jan-april for fantasy GMing

 

[drd23]

Chris Simms Rankings of the 2018 QB Draft Class: 1.) Lamar Jackson, 2.) Josh Allen, 3.) Baker Mayfield, 4.) Sam Darnold, 5.) Josh Rosen

People keep saying this and then forget he changed his rankings a couple of weeks later to the point Rosen was 2nd

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

There are analysts who do all the hard work of scouting them, or, talking to GMs and actual scouts, to find the qbs the NFL itself considers 1st rounders, 2nd rounders etc. Long long before guys like Simms, OSullivan and dozen other media/youtube analysts put their rankings out. They wait for the word to get out first, before they rank them. What some of us instead do....is go thru all the prospects or more than the five top, like babes in wool, and play the GM/Scout game ourselves. I am not good at it, but i do it every year, refining my eye. I enjoy it, also purely for finding the sleepers before anyone else. There are also others who watched a ton of college football as it happened and form smart views, guys like dannyreed, aussiedude, adp, etc.

So you're basically Chris Simms but not professional standard? So why the hate?

 

[GG.exe]

People keep saying this and then forget he changed his rankings a couple of weeks later to the point Rosen was 2nd

Yeah he does that so much, keep changing his mind. Well then LicoriceAllsorts theres even more damning proof

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Mainstream view of this class I think is:

Can't miss:

Lawrence
Fields

Like but too many doubts coz not familiar names to American households:

Lance
Wilson

High probability he sucks:

Mac Jones

They all suck:

The rest

When I see people call Fields cant miss it shows they just watch college football playoffs and only care about wins

 

[GG.exe]

So you're basically Chris Simms but not professional standard? So why the hate?

Simms only does top 5. But im criticizing him because you glorify him when there plenty proof hes wrong, changes his mind every second week, and then pretends hes always right.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Simms only does top 5. But im criticizing him because you glorify him when there plenty proof hes wrong, changes his mind every second week, and then pretends hes always right.

He only lists his top 7 or so but he looks at much more than that. You don't know that cause you don't watch him

 

[GG.exe]

If theres some dude out there in the media who gets things right say %90 of the time, or whatever, good on them. Kudos to them. And may they be celebrated as a guru. Kind of like how Mayocks positional rankings and all the work he did was considered THE dude. He also scouted everyone, all positions, not just WBs, and looked at all thousands, from small schools etc. I think Pauline is that guy now. Simms... wouldnt mind if he was spot on, but hes a shyster as i explained before, and works for NBC to provide superficial analysis. He does a good job, but hes not all right, changes often, and tries hard to vindicate himself as all right, after the cred, and has acolytes that glorify him which is also why people get the shits with Simms.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

If theres some dude out there in the media who gets things right say %90 of the time, or whatever, good on them. Kudos to them. And may they be celebrated as a guru. Kind of like how Mayocks positional rankings and all the work he did was considered THE dude. He also scouted everyone, all positions, not just WBs, and looked at all thousands, from small schools etc. I think Pauline is that guy now. Simms... wouldnt mind if he was spot on, but hes a shyster as i explained before, and works for NBC to provide superficial analysis. He does a good job, but hes not all right, changes often, and tries hard to vindicate himself as all right, after the cred, and has acolytes that glorify him which is also why people get the shits with Simms.

When does Simms change other than one time?

 

[GG.exe]

When does Simms change other than one time?

You asked this before and i google searched and found many instances of not just one but multiple drafts where he kept changing his mind, and showed it to you, it was a year or two ago. Im sure you remember that.