Opinion 2021 Non-Crows AFL 3: Things Fall Apart!

[George Kramer]

Not one supporter thought that at the time though .....was thought the missing piece for a flag ....lets not rewrite history

Supporters were excited to get Carey, but at the time I thought it was a high price and why we did it, so there's one.

Irrespective, the club is paid not to get excited and its expected to do reasonable trades. It was idiotic. We would have got him without giving up 4, where else was he going to play?

Anyway, old news.

 

[FR0GGY]

Swans sign Wicks until 2023

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

That Carey trade is the worst trade in our history. Why the fu** did we give 4 & 18 for a player who was in his 30s, that had missed a year and the club wanted him out? No matter that he was a legend, his legend had passed, ******* madness.

The Carey & Gibbs trades are easily our 2 worst.

Tippett-gate was the worst loss of net picks & player.

 

[George Kramer]

The Carey & Gibbs trades are easily our 2 worst.

Tippett-gate was the worst loss of net picks & player.

Nah, I reckon Carey is. Gibbs we gave a mid range first and really a slide back of a first. Gibbs was playing quality football at the time.

Pick 4 for a bloke in his 30s, who missed a year and left his club in disgrace? Then throw in 19. WTF.

 

[CrowinNT]

The Carey & Gibbs trades are easily our 2 worst.

Tippett-gate was the worst loss of net picks & player.

Tippett cost us so much

 

[dogs105]

Not one supporter thought that at the time though .....was thought the missing piece for a flag ....lets not rewrite history

I did.

But more because he was morally bankrupt.

 

[CrowinNT]

Not one supporter thought that at the time though .....was thought the missing piece for a flag ....lets not rewrite history

I thought at the time he would really enhance his opportunity of a fresh start and give us some real impact
I never understood the trade collateral it cost at the time on reflection

 

[WetCrow1991]

Not one supporter thought that at the time though .....was thought the missing piece for a flag ....lets not rewrite history

This simply isn't true.

 

[Geoffa32]

Not one supporter thought that at the time though .....was thought the missing piece for a flag ....lets not rewrite history

His time here was not that bad.

Till he injured his neck.


I loved having him here.


Got to remember that early draft picks weren't as valuable in the early 2000s and drafting still in its infancy.


No club would do that trade now.
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[WaynesWorld19]

Supporters were excited to get Carey, but at the time I thought it was a high price and why we did it, so there's one.

Irrespective, the club is paid not to get excited and its expected to do reasonable trades. It was idiotic. We would have got him without giving up 4, where else was he going to play?

Anyway, old news.

The Drafting of Carey was for the exact same reasons we traded for Gibbs .....final puzzle piece

Both times we over-paid definitely ......but supporters would have burn't the club down for not going for the ring

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Got to remember that early draft picks weren't as valuable in the early 2000s and drafting still in its infancy.


No club would do that trade now.

Oh I definitely think a Club would do that trade again .....Clubs don't always behave rationally

 

[Rags_118]

The Carey & Gibbs trades are easily our 2 worst.

Tippett-gate was the worst loss of net picks & player.

The trade for Carey for Picks 2 & 18 was judged as one of the very worst AFL trades of all time. From memory I think the Crows thought that Sydney were keen at the time.

However the enabling trade of Kane Johnson to Richmond for Picks 2, 18, 32 and Jason Torney was a ripper. Kane was a very good player, but that was a big return that should have been used wisely.

Torney was a far more valuable player for the Crows than Carey. We should have chased him earlier. Luke Jericho at pick 32 less so.

I also realise it was Pick 4 & 20 before the Carlton penalties, but even so.

 

[CrowinNT]

Oh I definitely think a Club would do that trade again .....Clubs don't always behave rationally

That is not what you stated WW
Don’t try and cop out

 

[WaynesWorld19]

That is not what you stated WW
Don’t try and cop out

Not sure where I've changed my stance ......I was happy we got Carey

Remember this Club has had ongoing criticism for being too conservative .....this was adventurous & out of character

I wish we had shown this adventurous side and got Dusty Martin when he was available, when no club, bar GWS showed any interest

 

[Scorpus]

It doesn't matter if it was pick 2 or pick 4, either way it was massively overpaying for Carey and we gave up additional picks on top of that!

 

[Sanders]

i’d be throwing $800k or more a year in front of heeney.. extremely doubtful he’d be keen to come to adelaide.. but why not give it a crack.. at the very least it helps put more pressure on the swans salary cap.

why would he come for a pay cut?

 

[Sanders]

We thought it was pick 4 when we traded it to North ... then Carlton Carltoned

we didn’t think it was pick 4. It WAS pick 4

Richmond always said they wouldn’t have given us the pick had they known there was a chance it would be upgraded

 

[Sanders]

Except the big point that it was pick 3, not 2. Then AFTER the trade, the AFL sanctioned someone and pick 3 became pick 2. We are on record saying we would have taken Wells and not done the trade if we had known the change was going to happen.

No. It was pick 4. And we never said that

it was Richmond who said that

 

[Sanders]

Not one supporter thought that at the time though .....was thought the missing piece for a flag ....lets not rewrite history

we suffered a lot of injuries in 2003, but we were flag favourites at the start of that year.

people think Neil Craig took over a basket case, but we were flying in 2002/03;

 

[Sanders]

Sorry Lord Vader, I made an error. Point doesn't change, 4 & 18 for Carey was madness.

Carey & Jason Torney who was 7th in Richmond’s best & fairest that year. They didn’t want to lose him

 

[weneverland]

Not one supporter thought that at the time though .....was thought the missing piece for a flag ....lets not rewrite history

That's not true. There was a sizable number of supporters, probably not the majority, that thought the club was delusional. I noted at the time that Collingwood and one other club (I forget which) that was chasing Carey at pulled out of the race saying he was not worth a first round pick let alone two. While we were feting Carey as if he was the next Judd.

 

[Sanders]

This simply isn't true.

it is true

We were bookies favourite at the start of that year

we’d finished 3rd in 2002, losing in the prelim to a Jason Cloke dog act on Tyson Edwards

Now imagine you’re that close and the GOAT becomes available and you secure him

expectations through the ******* roof. He’s had a year off to let his banged up body heal. Thoughts were that he would be flying

 

[Sanders]

That's not true. There was a sizable number of supporters, probably not the majority, that thought the club was delusional. I noted at the time that Collingwood and one other club (I forget which) that was chasing Carey at pulled out of the race saying he was not worth a first round pick let alone two. While we were feting Carey as if he was the next Judd.

you made that up. Did not happen

he was being chased by a number of teams and no one pulled out saying the price was too high

Carey chose where he wanted to go

 

[weneverland]

Supporters were excited to get Carey, but at the time I thought it was a high price and why we did it, so there's one.

Irrespective, the club is paid not to get excited and its expected to do reasonable trades. It was idiotic. We would have got him without giving up 4, where else was he going to play?

Anyway, old news.

Collingwood and one other big Victorian club would have had him if the price was right.

 

[Sanders]

It doesn't matter if it was pick 2 or pick 4, either way it was massively overpaying for Carey and we gave up additional picks on top of that!

pick 4 in 2002 draft was a piece of s**t

2002 might be the worst draft in history.