List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft & Rookie Draft

[Aphrodite]

 

[DangerousD]

If you want a player that hits the scoreboard and can play further up the ground, I would go early on Hotton than taking George or Humphrey

Where do you rate Hotton? I have a feeling he will get to the 20s, seems like a reach to grab him at 10, is Hollands a similar type, where do you rate him?

Cheers

 

[Arr0w]

Where do you rate Hotton? I have a feeling he will get to the 20s, seems like a reach to grab him at 10, is Hollands a similar type, where do you rate him?

Cheers

Rate Hotton 12-16, Hollands later, same with Hewett

 

[Jeremias]

Remember the Dogs trading down from pick 13 to two second rounders?

Yes. They selected Dunkley with one of those selections and he went on to contribute to a premiership, so as good as Charlie is I don't think they're ruing it too much.

 

[Sheephead]

i want Zibkowski. Just to hear people say and spell his name wrong.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

If you want a player that hits the scoreboard and can play further up the ground, I would go early on Hotton than taking George or Humphrey

No idea who that is TBH

 

[bmaurizio]

My favorites are Hollands, Ginbey, Phillipou & George, any of these lads would be great additions at p10/11.

 

[Coona Blues]

My favorites are Hollands, Ginbey, Phillipou & George, any of these lads would be great additions at p10/11.

Phillipou and Hollands top my (practical) wish list. Taking a bit more notice of the KPP, now it has been suggested we cooled on McAsey.

 

[ferrisb]

i want Zibkowski. Just to hear people say and spell his name wrong.

I agree Shepherd!

 

[bmaurizio]

Reckon Mitch Zibkowski will be a smokey come draft week, a soild hard working midfielder whom one respects and better than a good ordinary footballer, as the great Jake might have said.

 

[GT619]

Phillipou and Hollands top my (practical) wish list. Taking a bit more notice of the KPP, now it has been suggested we cooled on McAsey.

Might be looking at busslinger

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I would do that for Scheezel. I doubt we can get a pick high enough though. Clubs will expect us to move up next year so wouldn't value our future first that highly.

Crows might consider moving down from pick 5(which they don't want to pay for Rankine) for our 11 and something next year?
How about 11 and Setterfield for 5?

 

[bigdog43]

I would try and trade our two picks to move back a touch and try to Take Hotton and Zibkowski/ Hollands. Double dip!

 

[Blue1980]

Do we trade 10 and 28 for 16 and 17 from swans or does the stocker news tell us to back away from there?

Probably Philp should tell us something too

 

[No1Suspect]

Crows might consider moving down from pick 5(which they don't want to pay for Rankine) for our 11 and something next year?
How about 11 and Setterfield for 5?

I dont mind something like this, but youve gotta think GC will want 5 plus interest for Rankine

 

[Blue and Silver]

I dont mind something like this, but youve gotta think GC will want 5 plus interest for Rankine

As they should.

The Cerra price is indicative

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[The Blue Weirdo]

As they should.

The Cerra price is indicative

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What did SOS offer for an out of contract Jack Martin?
Similar situation.
I reckon 5 is slightly steep for what Rankine has delivered so far.

 

[windows1]

Every trade has risk associated. Every draft selection has risk associated. Doesn't mean you don't partake in them.

What's the point of having staff at the club identifying talent if you're not going to back them in when it counts?

Jesus Christ I hate this line of argument. From a Mod especially.

What’s the point of having a Bigfooty Carlton page if you’re not able to express opinions about the things the club does?

It’s also really weak arguing. Saying “every trade has risks” does not add any value at all to the argument.

Oh ok then. Beauty. All trades have risks. So do whatever you want? And don’t comment on them bigfooty posters. Just back the club.

Or

How about this? Do as the poster was doing. Think through precious things the club has done. Analyse them. Express a view. Float for discussion. Reasonably expect reasonable discussion. Eg Jeremias:

“Not a bad point Juice. I can see why you’d be fun shy because we should have Young on the list. We did it before too with the Gibbs trade. It was a bit of a SOS special. His strategy was logically sound in that he wanted more first round picks. The problem was in the execution in that with those additional first round picks he made mistakes. And actually there is cause for pause on trading down.

While you do end up with more first round picks in that scenario (16/17 for 10,28) you are weakening your chances of causes with that first pick.”

Personally I think SOS was obsessed with the draft points calculator.

Rather than seeing each draft in isolation I think they should see them in 5 year blocks. For the next 5 years I would like that first pick to be as high as possible, with trading UP each year the goal. Such that we get as many top ten picks as possible. Then use free agency and out of contract to round out the list.

But hey, thanks just my opinion expressed on this opinion site. And I’ll be ****ed if I’m going to just write “well whatever the club reckons is fine by me.”

 

[windows1]

The fact it hasn't worked doesn't mean the mechanism can't or shouldn't be used.


The club should explore all avenues available to them, be it trade up, down, in or out.

It doesn’t mean it SHOULD be used either. They should work out what has gone wrong in those situations Both by our club and others. And what has worked.

 

[katmanblue]

What did SOS offer for an out of contract Jack Martin?
Similar situation.
I reckon 5 is slightly steep for what Rankine has delivered so far.

Gotta consider the contract he's been offered. That is indicative of his value to Crows.

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[WeedsMullet84]

Gotta consider the contract he's been offered. That is indicative of his value to Crows.

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You mean like Mitch McGovern who we traded to Carlton despite having 2 years left on his contract, who you paid $800K per season for 5 years, for Pick 13 (that became Pick 16)

The only reason you paid McGovern that much was because you had cap space, what you paid in draft picks was his actual value, and even then it was overrated.

Rankine warranted is younger, and he had a decent back half to the season, but he is nowhere near worth Pick 5 based on his current output.

We're only paying him $700-$800K per year because we're probably already struggling to pay the min 95% cap, and it's probably going to be heavily front-ended. What we're paying him does not come close to his trade value (which IMO is around Pick 10-15)

 

[macky99]

You mean like Mitch McGovern who we traded to Carlton despite having 2 years left on his contract, who you paid $800K per season for 5 years, for Pick 13 (that became Pick 16)

The only reason you paid McGovern that much was because you had cap space, what you paid in draft picks was his actual value, and even then it was overrated.

Rankine warranted is younger, and he had a decent back half to the season, but he is nowhere near worth Pick 5 based on his current output.

We're only paying him $700-$800K per year because we're probably already struggling to pay the min 95% cap, and it's probably going to be heavily front-ended. What we're paying him does not come close to his trade value (which IMO is around Pick 10-15)

Unless you find a club willing to part with two picks in the top 20 for your pick 5 that is the most likely outcome for Rankine.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

If we don't end up picking a KPF to release Curnow to the 3rd tall forward role, this trade and draft period...

1st Preference - Pick 10 Keeler KPF and Curnow as third tall forward

2nd preference - I'd love to draft a Gary Rohan type (less the going missing in finals)
A forward with elite pace, excellent mark and excellent shot for goal...

Who would be around the mark, that has these attributes at pick 28?
George likely gone by the... Also like the look of Henry from the pies, if he wants to leave...

Just though I'd pull this over here in the draft thread.

If you want to draft a kid with forward craft, clean hands and impacts the scoreboard, Jaiden Magor also looks a prospect. Rookie Central describe him as a forward/midfielder..."a promising talent from South Adelaide, Magor is a player who piles on goals in attack. With a strong frame and clean handling, he is a constant threat inside 50 but also works well up the ground."

Bit of a smoky in the draft but should be available with our 2nd round pick if that's what we're looking for.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Unless you find a club willing to part with two picks in the top 20 for your pick 5 that is the most likely outcome for Rankine.

Future 1st will be fine for Rankine, as it should fall between that range anyway

 

[Jeremias]

Wowee. Talk about taking things out of context!

Jesus Christ I hate this line of argument. From a Mod especially.

What’s the point of having a Bigfooty Carlton page if you’re not able to express opinions about the things the club does?

I never said Juice couldn't express his opinion on this or anything else the club does. He's free to hold whatever opinion he wants.

What's me being a mod got to do with anything? As a mod am I not allowed to disagree?

What's the point of having a Bigfooty Carlton page if we all agree?

It’s also really weak arguing. Saying “every trade has risks” does not add any value at all to the argument.

Oh ok then. Beauty. All trades have risks. So do whatever you want? And don’t comment on them bigfooty posters. Just back the club.

It's not a weak argument at all. I would have thought it's pretty obvious it was adding context to the discussion, because it's true. Just because we traded up for a player but that player didn't develop, doesn't mean it's a mistake to look at doing that again if the right player comes along.

AFL teams have limited avenues through which they can improve their list on a year to year basis. If there's a club out there silly enough to shut off one such avenue because it didn't work for them once, then the decision makers at that club deserve to be fired.

More than happy for people to not back the club. I don't agree with everything they do. But if you're going to go down that path, at least have a reasonable explanation as to why.

Or

How about this? Do as the poster was doing. Think through precious things the club has done. Analyse them. Express a view. Float for discussion. Reasonably expect reasonable discussion. Eg Jeremias:

Isn't that exactly what I did?

I looked at the trade. I analysed what happened and why. And then I expressed my view that just because it didn't work out once isn't cause to not do it again.

“Not a bad point Juice. I can see why you’d be fun shy because we should have Young on the list. We did it before too with the Gibbs trade. It was a bit of a SOS special. His strategy was logically sound in that he wanted more first round picks. The problem was in the execution in that with those additional first round picks he made mistakes. And actually there is cause for pause on trading down.

Again, fairly sure this is what was done. I see no problem with trading down to get more picks. I often argue it's something that should be done more by clubs, particularly with high picks. I think it would be a great thing for North Melbourne to do this year, as an example.

Execution is critical though, and often that's a step beyond the realm of the recruiting team.

But hey, thanks just my opinion expressed on this opinion site. And I’ll be *ed if I’m going to just write “well whatever the club reckons is fine by me.”

Did anyone actually write this? Or have you come in all guns blazing having misread or misunderstood something that was written?

 

[macky99]

Future 1st will be fine for Rankine, as it should fall between that range anyway

That may be the Adelaide view, not necessarily the view of the Suns, sure they will play hardball on your pick 5.