List Mgmt. 2022 Trade, Draft, etc thread

[Scythe]

Dory_77 – might be worth pinning this? Gets updated after every move.

 

[booshboy]

This will probably be shouted down but does anyone think we should possibly look to trade Sparrow, Jordon and/or Harmes? All could be good full time mids but are s**t on the flanks.

A club with thin midfield stocks would be silly not to enquire about them imo. We'd probably only get third round picks but might be a good move for all involved.

And if we lost one/two of them, hopefully it'd force the coaches to play genuine flankers with pace/kicking skills/attacking mindsets/goal sense/hopefully all of the above.


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open to trading any of them, but doubt we'd get anything worthwhile.

 

[The Dr]

open to trading any of them, but doubt we'd get anything worthwhile.

Clubs would be silly not to try to get Sparrow and Harmes on the cheap. Sparrow isn't a flanker's arseh*le but has scope to become a decent inside mid. Harmes also adds a strong defensive element to a lot of midfields




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[booshboy]

Clubs would be silly not to try to get Sparrow and Harmes on the cheap. Sparrow isn't a flanker's arseh*le but has scope to become a decent inside mid. Harmes also adds a strong defensive element to a lot of midfields




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100% I feel like we'd just be sacrificing our mid depth so another team can get a bargain.

 

[The Dr]

100% I feel like we'd just be sacrificing our mid depth so another team can get a bargain.

Probably. There is risk in that. But we have too many similar players in our best 22 or so and I'd be up for trading them to change the mix of our team.


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[Jamurp]

Horrible year to try and top up to strengthen our flag chances, genuinely nobody decent available key position wise, bit of #FistedForever about it. So glad we won it last year though, not caring as much this season.

 

[Proper Gander]

This will probably be shouted down but does anyone think we should possibly look to trade Sparrow, Jordon and/or Harmes? All could be good full time mids but are s**t on the flanks.

A club with thin midfield stocks would be silly not to enquire about them imo. We'd probably only get third round picks but might be a good move for all involved.

And if we lost one/two of them, hopefully it'd force the coaches to play genuine flankers with pace/kicking skills/attacking mindsets/goal sense/hopefully all of the above.


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I’d personally hang on to Harmes for historical reasons, but wouldn’t shed so many tears over the other two. I had high hopes for Sparrow but that may be on the back of his goal in the Granny. He’s looked very ordinary this year so we should demand 2 firsts and a pick swap of 2nds

 

[pjfairbairn]

I’d personally hang on to Harmes for historical reasons, but wouldn’t shed so many tears over the other two. I had high hopes for Sparrow but that may be on the back of his goal in the Granny. He’s looked very ordinary this year so we should demand 2 firsts and a pick swap of 2nds

I agree - and I think Sparrow or Jordon would have greater trade value too. I think somebody is gonna be shaken out of the tree, just don't know who. The other thing you'd have to consider is a great offer for Rivers.

 

[Fork n Hell]

i'd keep Harmes, he's dependable enough, but i wouldn't care about losing the other two. neither are any good imo, and i'm not sure too many clubs would be interested giving up anything decent for them either.

 

[adonski]

Not a massive Harmes fan but we'd be gutting too much midfield depth if we got rid of him

There would be no takers for Sparrow

Jordon I like but is slow as anything so many clubs wouldn't pursue him given his flaws

 

[The Dr]

Not a massive Harmes fan but we'd be gutting too much midfield depth if we got rid of him

There would be no takers for Sparrow

Jordon I like but is slow as anything so many clubs wouldn't pursue him given his flaws

Of course there would be takers for Sparrow [emoji23]


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[adonski]

Of course there would be takers for Sparrow [emoji23]


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Are you able to explain why?

He'll be running around in the SANFL in a couple of years

 

[Dory_77]

Sparrow and Jordon could each interest a few clubs. Neither are stars but could make solid enough inside mids and wouldn't cost much in picks or $. Both young enough to have upside while not being totally raw draftees.

 

[Deelighted]

Sparrow has a number of good attributes that would get a nibble from plenty of clubs I reckon. Big body, can take a decent grab for his size and has kicked some big goals. Hasn't progressed as hoped this year though, not a forward and when he does get time inside he seems a bit fumbly and sloppy by hand.

If we were to move Jordon on then we'd absolutely need to target another outside runner to play opposite Langdon. I'm not super high on Jordon but Gus is better suited in defence and we don't really have anyone else who has played the role to a decent level.

 

[SugarHealey]

This will probably be shouted down but does anyone think we should possibly look to trade Sparrow, Jordon and/or Harmes? All could be good full time mids but are s**t on the flanks.

I don't think we should Dr.

Sparrow is just a spring chicken atmo, in footy terms, with a turn of speed and growing body, tank, and game sense. He has just clocked up 51 games, so we should start to see the better from him in the next 50.

Jordan as well, is a real terrier, and is ahead of the curve imv... just clocked up 47 games.

Harmes is an integral part of our main Mid group, and I sense a bit of a team bond man.

I think we will have others to look to at this point, Re tradable situations. Which could include TMc.?

 

[SugarHealey]

I agree - and I think Sparrow or Jordon would have greater trade value too. I think somebody is gonna be shaken out of the tree, just don't know who. The other thing you'd have to consider is a great offer for Rivers.

Have to be careful with Rivers, imv. As he and Hibbo are our only small defenders who are skilled and natural body-on-body players.
And Hibbo doesn't have more then one season left in him.

 

[DemonZombie_001]

ANB, Spargo, Sparrow, Brayshaw, Pickett, Fritsch, Petty were the only players on the list to play 23 games and half the team came in injured last week. Nothing lucky about that run.

To be clearer, which I was not, I was talking more about ACL injuries or some other season ending injuries

 

[netslave]

I'd keep Harmes and Sparrow, Jordon I'm not fussed either way.

 

[SugarHealey]

If we were to move Jordon on then we'd absolutely need to target another outside runner to play opposite Langdon. I'm not super high on Jordon but Gus is better suited in defence and we don't really have anyone else who has played the role to a decent level.

James Jordon of the Sydney Swans Biography

James Jordon of the Sydney Swans Biography.

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Sparrow has a number of good attributes that would get a nibble from plenty of clubs I reckon. Big body, can take a decent grab for his size and has kicked some big goals. Hasn't progressed as hoped this year though, not a forward and when he does get time inside he seems a bit fumbly and sloppy by hand.

Jack Viney will be 29-Yrs, at the start of 2023 season... Born: April 13.

Christian Petracca will be 27-Yrs at the start of next season... January 4.
Alex Neal-Bullen will be 27-Yrs at the start of next season... January 9.

Clayton Oliver will turn 26-Yrs at the middle of next season... July 22.

Our midfield transition in a few years, will rely on our 2nd tier of mids.Including hard nosed insiders.

IF Jordan were to go, a Duursma type would be handy across the centreline.

jJordan will be 22-Yrs at the start of next season... December 20.

xDuursma will be 23-Yrs at the middle of next season... July 7. Out of contract at the end of 2024.

Xavier Duursma of the Essendon Bombers Career AFL Stats

Xavier Duursma of Essendon Bombers career AFL statistics

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Another one to look at could be Lachlan Ash... out of contract end of 2023... just on 56 games now... has some speed... good kick. a point of difference from what we have now.

Lachlan Ash will turn 22-Yrs at the middle of next season... June 21.

Lachlan Ash of the GWS Giants Player Profile and AFL Stats

Lachlan Ash of the GWS Giants profile and AFL statistics.

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I would be keeping Sparrow as a must... he is ahead of the curve as an inside-bull, at just 22-Yrs, and has the aggression, and I think Leadership traits.

We don't carry a lot of speed players currently, amongst our senior players.

 

[Dory_77]

I don't think we should Dr.

Sparrow is just a spring chicken atmo, in footy terms, wiith a turn of speed and growing body, tank, and game sense. He has just clocked up 51 games, so we should start to see the better from him in the next 50.

Jordan as well, is a real terrier, and is ahead of the curve imv... just clocked up 47 games.

Harmes is an integral part of our main Mid group, and I sense a bit of a team bond man.

I think we will have others to look to at this point, Re tradable situations. Which could include TMc.?

No one wanted TMc a couple of years ago when he was being given away, they certainly won't now with his foot issues.
I like all 3 players, but need to think about what we need to get better and accept we'll need to give something up.
Sparrow and Jordon have some good attributes and are early in their careers, but with our current list they don't really add something that someone else doesn't do better at.

 

[SugarHealey]

No one wanted TMc a couple of years ago when he was being given away, they certainly won't now with his foot issues.
I like all 3 players, but need to think about what we need to get better and accept we'll need to give something up.
Sparrow and Jordon have some good attributes and are early in their careers, but with our current list they don't really add something that someone else doesn't do better at.

Leadership. Dory.

Some club like Nth, will be wanting mature leaders to help the new coach lay the rules toward a culture shift, at that club.
This is what was missing early days, with the Suns, and with the Giants.

North have been atrocious for the past 3 or so years.

Clarko will be wanting to bring in mature leader types from outside, to shake and re-shape the Nth players mindsets. Not many good strong CHF types (TMc) about, that can still play good footy. Might be worth something in the 2nd Rnd.?

We would have to have McStay in the bag, first tho.

 

[Dory_77]

Leadership. Dory.

Some club like Nth, will be wanting mature leaders to help the new coach lay the rules toward a culture shift, at that club.
This is what was missing early days, with the Suns, and with the Giants.

North have been atrocious for the past 3 or so years.

Clarko will be wanting to bring in mature leader types from outside, to shake and re-shape the Nth players mindsets. Not many good strong CHF types (TMc) about, that can still play good footy. Might be worth something in the 2nd Rnd.?

We would have to have McStay in the bag, first tho.

Sure he can be a leader, but if his foot is cooked he's getting a bargain basement contract and we're lucky to get a 4th rounder.
Also with Larkey, Zurhaar and their glut of ruck/forward types I think North have plenty of handy forward options already.

 

[SugarHealey]

Sure he can be a leader, but if his foot is cooked he's getting a bargain basement contract and we're lucky to get a 4th rounder.

Well we can't let him go anyway, as he's contracted, and we would first have to have the mature replacement.

Also with Larkey, Zurhaar and their glut of ruck/forward types I think North have plenty of handy forward options already.

Its the change of culture that your missing out on Dory.
If you keep all the same personnel, then you also keep the same old culture. As it is within them. The sub-conscious learnings/habits are ground in.

Zurhaar is only 6'-2"


They will need to have a fire-sale, to start the shift in culture.
Clarko and Viney will be well into this.

 

[Deelighted]

I would be keeping Sparrow as a must... he is ahead of the curve as an inside-bull, at just 22-Yrs, and has the aggression, and I think Leadership traits.

Yeah, to be clear I'm not advocating for trading him, unless we get good value. We need mids developing behind our current crop, been fortunate that Oliver & Petracca have been fit for most of the last 3 years. Viney has had a decent run recently but historically injury prone. Sparrow is probably the best we've got in that regard right now.

I wouldn't be losing sleep over us letting him go if it allowed us to bring in another developing mid or two though. There's definitely attributes I like with Sparrow but it just doesn't seem to come together to form a good AFL player (or what we need) atm.

 

[SugarHealey]

but need to think about what we need to get better and accept we'll need to give something up.
Sparrow and Jordon have some good attributes and are early in their careers, but with our current list they don't really add something that someone else doesn't do better at.

I would trade Jordan to get in Ash, or Duursma. There would be some tidying of picks to be done.

 

[SugarHealey]

I wouldn't be losing sleep over us letting him go if it allowed us to bring in another developing mid or two though. There's definitely attributes I like with Sparrow but it just doesn't seem to come together to form a good AFL player

I think we were all sold on Sparrow, this time last year.
So why, in what is really his 2nd year as a senior player, are we so changeable on him. It took him 2 seasons before he started to get regular senior games last season, and he did really well.

Now, he has, along with many players, had an in-between season. And playing a role which is perhaps a bit harder to do than just be a full-time inside mid.
I think we'll start to see his true worth next year, at what will be his 5th season. And just over 50 games.

Lets see, who have we that might hold some value outside?
TMc
Tomlinson
Hunt
Salem
Lever
lJackson
Rivers
Bedford

Thats about all I can find on our list which other clubs might inquire about. That we might listen to.

To me I would say no, Re; Salem Rivers and Bedford. Too soon on Rivers and on Bedford, to tell just whet we have in these two. They need more games exposure, to show the trajectory they will head forward on.

Bedford played 2 games last year, and a further 8 this year. And another 8 as unused Sub.