Analysis 2023 All Australian Team Awards Night

[Snuffaluphagus]

Cripps, JDG, Newcombe, Jackson (maybe), Redman, Luke Ryan, Tom Stewart, Serong and possibly Viney are all very lucky selections.

Serong? Lucky in the 44?

 

[RonnieRaven]

That could be worse - I've met some Herald Sun readers

No found it in a club thread
Since 91 every hun player of the year has been AA

 

[QuietB]

No found it in a club thread
Since 91 every hun player of the year has been AA

Brody Grundy won it once - * off

 

[RonnieRaven]

Brody Grundy won it once - * off

This is an AA thread
I repeat in 30yrs no hun player of the year has ever missed AA
Being a hawk fan you would of seen serong on the weekend
32d 16cp 9c 10scinv 5 tackles

 

[PhatBoy]

Brody Grundy won it once - * off

During a period in which he had 40 Brownlow votes across two seasons. As a KPP a standard that has been virtually unattainable for two decades

 

[TARANTULA]

Cripps, De Goey, Redman and Quaynor the only ones I think are suss. Everyone else is gucci.

 

[Trav 20]

1.25… rounded = 1.3


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Not in footy. You can't have more than you have.

Btw, 23.6 disposals is 23, not 24.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Who takes his place? It does start to become slim pickings.

Better options just from the Lions. Coleman? Wilmot? Starcevich?

 

[Sharaz Jek]

Cornes can dish it out but can't take it.

As soft as a Hinkley outfit in finals.

HUTCHY: "Congratulations. You're stubborn and you got your way. No Tim Taranto

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Tim Taranto

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.3

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

9.5

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.0

4star

CL

5.5

5star

D

15.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

in the squad of 44 today. How many people did you have to yell at and scream at and belt the desk?"
CORNES: "Don't be a smart alec about it!"

 

[MadMaxx]

Cripps made the team, every team has a player in the squad. Squad means nothing. For example this is Butters second time making the squad of 40, do people remember that no, Jonas made the squad 3 times, do people remember?

I still think that there are more than 30 mids that have had better years than Newcombe

He has heaps of potential and probably next year or the next will be AA but this year there have been plenty better

He is 15th on the AFL Coaches votes, my unlearned friend.

Yet you think 30 mids are better than him, or almost 2 from every team...

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

He is 15th on the AFL Coaches votes, my unlearned friend.

Yet you think 30 mids are better than him, or almost 2 from every team...

You misquoted me, I said there are ‘more’ than 30 mids.

Absolutely

 

[Roby]

Per game Newman has 2 more CP's, 2 more UP's, 2 more marks, 1.4 more ground ball gets, 1.7 more tackles, 1.5 more defensive pressure acts, 4x as many clearances, slightly more SIs and score launches and way more coaches votes.

He's been an important part of Carlton's revival.

Newman has 0.8 clearences a game? That's how you judge AA defenders? Wow.

All those other stats that relevant to defenders, like ground ball gets, pressure acts and tackles? Could they be higher because he loses so many one on one contests?

I present Nic Newman the AA guensey as selected by Mr Meow, a defender ranked 57th in the league amongst Medium Defeners, for losing one on one contsts.

Why do you argue against this argument when inclulding Dusty in the forward line but happy to select certain stats to form your argument here? Hypocritical much? I don't think you have any self awareness.

 

[MadMaxx]

You misquoted me, I said there are ‘more’ than 30 mids.

Absolutely

Carry on then.

And I thought collingwood fans were stupid.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Sorry, do Francis Evan and Dustin Martin play the same position?

Miers is elite in goal assists. What's the argument here, that you want players in your forward line with lots of goal assists? Tackling is also an important stat, should Rowell have been picked in the midfield?

If you're a forward and you're not kicking goals, your claim to being in the best handful of forwards in Australia is pretty tenuous.

I want players contributing to my team winning games of football, it’s as simple as that. Doesn’t matter what ‘nominal’ position they play. So whether they kick the goal themselves, pass the ball to someone else to kick the goal, or win a centre clearance and fire out a handball to someone who then laces out the full forward for a goal. All actions resulted in their team being more chance of winning.

So if Miers has contributed to his ‘team’ scoring more goals than Breust has (just an example), then isn’t that what is most relevant ?

If Miers wins a contested ball at half forward and then instead of taking a pot shot at goal he kicks to an unmarked Hawkins in the goal square, who deserved more credit for that? Hawkins with the goal, or Miers with the goal assist?



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[Roby]

He's way ahead of Quaynor.

Redman and Newman have been involved in 19 one on one contests each for the entire season, that's less than one a game, why would you include that as a stat?

Where do you find the AFLPA votes btw?

nope. IQ was a beast most of the year, and rarely got beaten. You didn't watch many Collingwood games.

 

[Mr Meow]

Newman has 0.8 clearences a game? That's how you judge AA defenders? Wow.

All those other stats that relevant to defenders, like ground ball gets, pressure acts and tackles? Could they be higher because he loses so many one on one contests?

I present Nic Newman the AA guensey as selected by Mr Meow, a defender ranked 57th in the league amongst Medium Defeners, for losing one on one contsts.

Why do you argue against this argument when inclulding Dusty in the forward line but happy to select certain stats to form your argument here? Hypocritical much? I don't think you have any self awareness.

You also have the mental acuity of a dried apricot, so forgive me for not taking your word as gospel for the best rebounding defenders this season - or in any season.

As for the last sentence, the hypocrisy is delicious so I'll let you soak in that one.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Dusty, Marshall, Wilkie and all of the Freo players are charity inclusions.

I won’t comment about Dusty as I’m biased, but Marshall was a no-brainer for at least the squad. He’s 50/50 for the final team.


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[Roby]

You also have the mental acuity of a dried apricot, so forgive me for not taking your word as gospel for the best rebounding defenders this season - or in any season.

As for the last sentence, the hypocrisy is delicious so I'll let you soak in that one.

Another lost argument. You're good at that, and a pattern is emerging for you.

 

[Mr Meow]

Another lost argument. You're good at that, and a pattern is emerging for you.

Fascinating.

I'm still waiting to find a more pathetic flex than your molecular biology rant.

Although this is just as relevant to Newman's excellent season as your tired psychoanalysis of members of a football forum.

 

[HarryBeef]

Newman has 0.8 clearences a game? That's how you judge AA defenders? Wow.

All those other stats that relevant to defenders, like ground ball gets, pressure acts and tackles? Could they be higher because he loses so many one on one contests?

I present Nic Newman the AA guensey as selected by Mr Meow, a defender ranked 57th in the league amongst Medium Defeners, for losing one on one contsts.

Why do you argue against this argument when inclulding Dusty in the forward line but happy to select certain stats to form your argument here? Hypocritical much? I don't think you have any self awareness.

lol, you're literally talking about him losing a total of 6 one on one contests for the entire year like it's a bad thing. Insane that you would take a stat that barely happens to a medium defender and use it like it's going to win your argument.

 

[HairyO]

I haven't watched a lot of GWS games but from what I have seen Toby usually plays pretty deep.

More than 100 Inside 50s... averaged not far from 20 and 3 and nearly 5 marks and 8 contested possessions a game for the season. If he was getting those numbers and playing deep GWS wouldnt have lost a game.

He'd also have won the Coleman, would get 40 Brownlow votes and have won the AFLCA by 20 or more votes.

 

[Roby]

lol, you're literally talking about him losing a total of 6 one on one contests for the entire year like it's a bad thing. Insane that you would take a stat that barely happens to a medium defender and use it like it's going to win your argument.

It's insane when picking defenders we look at one on one contests in defence? Okay.

 

[Stumpy Pete]

To be honest he had a shocking final 6 games, like dirt tier.

Brandon Starcevich

Good suggestion but might I respectfully counter with Maynard?

Regards

S. Pete

 

[naysayer]

So if Miers has contributed to his ‘team’ scoring more goals than Breust has (just an example), then isn’t that what is most relevant ?

If Miers wins a contested ball at half forward and then instead of taking a pot shot at goal he kicks to an unmarked Hawkins in the goal square, who deserved more credit for that? Hawkins with the goal, or Miers with the goal assist?



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You might've chosen a better example.

Breust's scoreboard contribution: 47 goals, 23 behinds, 6 goal assists: 341 points
Miers scoreboard contribution: 7 goals, 13 behinds, 41 goal assists: 301 points

You might be onto something with the Miers/Hawkins example though. Goal assists are way more difficult then just standing there at full forward and kicking goals. Maybe Curnow or Larkey should make way for Gryan Miers?

 

[HarryBeef]

It's insane when picking defenders we look at one on one contests in defence? Okay.

Yes it's insane that you would determine a spot on the team based on something that happened 19 times in the entire year for 6 losses. If it happens less than once a game do you think it's an important stat?