List Mgmt. 2023 Draft/Trade/FA thread

[Scythe]

Seems a good time to pin this:


OOC players:

• Michael Hibberd (retired)
• Deakyn Smith (delisted)
• Andy Moniz-Wakefield
• Jake Melksham (delisted, will be re-drafted as a rookie)
• Luke Dunstan (retired)
• James Jordon (signed with Sydney as a Free Agent)
• Kye Turner (delisted)

Traded out:

• James Harmes (Bulldogs)
• Brodie Grundy (Sydney)

Traded in:

• Tom Fullarton (Brisbane)
• Jack Billings (St Kilda)
• Shane McAdam (Adelaide)

Drafted:

• Caleb Windsor (Pick 7)
• Koltyn Tholstrup (Pick 13)
• Kynan Brown (Rookie)

 

[dazzledavey36]

Yeah I don't know why there's this perceived idea that a player simply won't move from club to club in Victoria.. pretty silly to rule it out full stop.

Naughton comes out of contract at the end of 2024 (thought it was this year actually). Every player circumstances is different and then it's depending on the their own clubs salary circumstances as well.

Anyhow, I think the focus will be to use this year to hit the draft and even work our way up the order to get two picks inside the top 10.

 

[Topkent]

Yeah I don't know why there's this perceived idea that a player simply won't move from club to club in Victoria.. pretty silly to rule it out full stop.

Naughton comes out of contract at the end of 2024 (thought it was this year actually). Every player circumstances is different and then it's depending on the their own clubs salary circumstances as well.

Anyhow, I think the focus will be to use this year to hit the draft and even work our way up the order to get two picks inside the top 10.

Why stop at Naughton. Let's go for Curnow, Merrett, Balta and Larkey aswell

 

[Lord Nev]

Why stop at Naughton. Let's go for Curnow, Merrett, Balta and Larkey aswell

To be fair, over the last few years we've traded in an AA ruckman, a Coleman medalist and a BnF winning premiership player.

 

[Bluelegs]

To be fair, over the last few years we've traded in an AA ruckman, a Coleman medalist and a BnF winning premiership player.

The point is all those players were booted by their respective clubs. I tend to agree. Unless dogs push him out I don't see Naughton moving to another Vic club.

 

[Topkent]

To be fair, over the last few years we've traded in an AA ruckman, a Coleman medalist and a BnF winning premiership player.

All there clubs wanted them to go, Naughton ain't quite that

 

[Juzzk1d]

The prospect of three x 18yos picked in the teens of the draft is a very risky strategy given all will need 2-3 apprenticeships and one is statistically almost guaranteed not to make it (ie. Laurie)

This risky strategy helped us win a premiership.

 

[The Dr]

I think we can agree it's definitely worthwhile shooting for the stars on the off chance someone like Naughton wants to leave the Dogs and stay in Vic, it's just the odds are minuscule for it to actually happen.


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[The Dr]

On a slight talent, Ricciardi has looked super in the past few weeks. Him, Armartey and Georgiadis could be available at much cheaper prices for us.


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[Tulip]

On a slight talent, Ricciardi has looked super in the past few weeks. Him, Armartey and Georgiadis could be available at much cheaper prices for us.


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Riccardi won’t be cheap anymore. That ship has sailed.

 

[The Dr]

Riccardi won’t be cheap anymore. That ship has sailed.

Cheapish, not cheap maybe.


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[Lord Nev]

The point is all those players were booted by their respective clubs. I tend to agree. Unless dogs push him out I don't see Naughton moving to another Vic club.

All there clubs wanted them to go, Naughton ain't quite that

Sure, but at one stage all of them would have been seen as absolutely not tradeable, right?

Things can change, is what I'm saying.

 

[Johnny Karate]

The trouble with trying to get a required player such as Naughton from another club is that you virtually have to pay overs in terms of salary to do it which is why it rarely happens. The exception would be if a club is very shite like us 10 years ago or even North now, it would be possible for a star to be cut loose if they were looking for a flag. However, said shit club should be able to pay them handsomely to stay because who else would they be paying decent money to?

 

[Lord Nev]

The trouble with trying to get a required player such as Naughton from another club is that you virtually have to pay overs in terms of salary to do it which is why it rarely happens. The exception would be if a club is very shite like us 10 years ago or even North now, it would be possible for a star to be cut loose if they were looking for a flag. However, said s**t club should be able to pay them handsomely to stay because who else would they be paying decent money to?

You can also get extenuating circumstances, like say with Dunkley who seemingly left due to not seeing eye to eye with his coach. Couldn't happen twice though right?

In saying all this, I don't think we'll get or even go for Naughton. For mine, I reckon we should suss out Himmelberg, Amartey and maybe Koschitzke, but there's also the option they settle on JVR and Petty forward with Smith, TMac and Jefferson as depth (Brown likely to retire IMO) and look more for a key defender.

 

[Crusty Demon]

We have to find a way to throw our hat in the ring to get Reid. Kid will be an absolute jet. If we lose Jackson and maybe a little more to get him, I'd say we've done very well. Just not sure how we leapfrog GWS in regards to draft hand. Freo would have to bottom out completely for us to be a chance to entice West Coast

 

[Bluelegs]

We have to find a way to throw our hat in the ring to get Reid. Kid will be an absolute jet. If we lose Jackson and maybe a little more to get him, I'd say we've done very well. Just not sure how we leapfrog GWS in regards to draft hand. Freo would have to bottom out completely for us to be a chance to entice West Coast

Yeah unless Freo go bottom 4 I reckon it would take an absolutely stupid offer to get him. Even then we'd probably have to give two firsts and a second at least to get them interested. More than you'd want to put on the line for one player imo.

 

[schmuttt]

Yeah unless Freo go bottom 4 I reckon it would take an absolutely stupid offer to get him. Even then we'd probably have to give two firsts and a second at least to get them interested. More than you'd want to put on the line for one player imo.

It'd be both our firsts this year and our F1 2024. I know some people are very high on him but geez that's a lot for a kid who hasn't played AFL.

 

[Bluelegs]

It'd be both our firsts this year and our F1 2024. I know some people are very high on him but geez that's a lot for a kid who hasn't played AFL.

Every year there's a kid tipped to be the next generational talent and even if they end up being a gun the hype is almost always OTT. People were nuts about Scully back in the day only for Martin to turn into one of the all time great two picks later.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Every year there's a kid tipped to be the next generational talent and even if they end up being a gun the hype is almost always OTT. People were nuts about Scully back in the day only for Martin to turn into one of the all time great two picks later.

Yeah, plenty have hit ok though. Recently Daicos and JHF are proving themselves. As is Ashcroft. Maybe we're getting better at spotting them. Similar vibes to Daicos, JHF and Ashcroft in regards to Reid. Touted over 12 months out to be easily #1 and has gotten better. Had 3 goals in the first 9 mins today. The kid is a freakish talent who can literally play anywhere on the ground. The team that gets him will have a beauty.

 

[dazzledavey36]

Yeah, plenty have hit ok though. Recently Daicos and JHF are proving themselves. As is Ashcroft. Maybe we're getting better at spotting them. Similar vibes to Daicos, JHF and Ashcroft in regards to Reid. Touted over 12 months out to be easily #1 and has gotten better. Had 3 goals in the first 9 mins today. The kid is a freakish talent who can literally play anywhere on the ground. The team that gets him will have a beauty.

Watched him for Vic Country today.

The kid has it all. Genuine star talent and the thought of him alongside Gawn/Grundy, Petracca, Oliver and Viney...

If Jason Taylor and Tim Lamb were willing to give up 3 first round picks for Bailey Humphrey's last year then I think there could be similar attempts this year.

 

[TheBoss]

Every year there's a kid tipped to be the next generational talent and even if they end up being a gun the hype is almost always OTT. People were nuts about Scully back in the day only for Martin to turn into one of the all time great two picks later.

Yep.

If I recall, we had 4 picks inside the top 20 in that draft and missed out on Martin and Fyfe.

Scully left after his first contract.
Injury put Trengove into retirement.
Gysberts and Tapscott were no good.

Gawn was our pick of the litter with a pick somewhere in the >30s.

I wouldn't put down 3x first rounders to move up the draft order. If I am paying 3x FRP's then I want Butters in a Dees guernsey.

 

[Bluelegs]

Yeah, plenty have hit ok though. Recently Daicos and JHF are proving themselves. As is Ashcroft. Maybe we're getting better at spotting them. Similar vibes to Daicos, JHF and Ashcroft in regards to Reid. Touted over 12 months out to be easily #1 and has gotten better. Had 3 goals in the first 9 mins today. The kid is a freakish talent who can literally play anywhere on the ground. The team that gets him will have a beauty.

Watched him for Vic Country today.

The kid has it all. Genuine star talent and the thought of him alongside Gawn/Grundy, Petracca, Oliver and Viney...

If Jason Taylor and Tim Lamb were willing to give up 3 first round picks for Bailey Humphrey's last year then I think there could be similar attempts this year.

If he's that good the only way I see Eagles doing the trade is if he tells them he's gonna go home at the first opportunity. Even then they'd probably be better off taking him anyway and doing the trade down the line when he's likely to be worth even more like JHF to Port.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Watched him for Vic Country today.

The kid has it all. Genuine star talent and the thought of him alongside Gawn/Grundy, Petracca, Oliver and Viney...

If Jason Taylor and Tim Lamb were willing to give up 3 first round picks for Bailey Humphrey's last year then I think there could be similar attempts this year.

100% trust the club. Personally I'd give up the picks for him. No guarantee we get the other picks right anyway. This kid is as near as a sure thing as you can get. We need top end talent coming through behind Oliver and Trac. It's another compromised draft as well. So lets say we have pick 9 and 16, that will most likely end up pick 13 and 20. Mind you, zero chance WCE goes for that package anyway. We'd have to find a way to get up the draft order. Freo finishing bottom 4 could give us hope either way.

 

[Johnny Karate]

Every year there's a kid tipped to be the next generational talent and even if they end up being a gun the hype is almost always OTT. People were nuts about Scully back in the day only for Martin to turn into one of the all time great two picks later.

I agree largely with you’re saying. However, I get the sense that Reid is different, basically the kid would be good enough to play this year. I think it’s also worth the risk to go all in on him.

I reckon Scully (and even more so Watts) was a function of not having good recruiters and poor development . If Watts or Scully were recruited by Geelong or Hawthorn when drafted I reckon they would’ve had far better careers. They would’ve had time to develop in the VFL, had quality senior players/leaders around them and been given a defined role to cut their teeth at AFL level rather than being heralded as the saviours of the club.

Further, I reckon if we had a recruiter of Taylor’s ilk there’s a fair chance we might’ve been less safe in picking those guys early in the draft.

 

[Crusty Demon]

I agree largely with you’re saying. However, I get the sense that Reid is different, basically the kid would be good enough to play this year. I think it’s also worth the risk to go all in on him.

I reckon Scully (and even more so Watts) was a function of not having good recruiters and poor development . If Watts or Scully were recruited by Geelong or Hawthorn when drafted I reckon they would’ve had far better careers. They would’ve had time to develop in the VFL, had quality senior players/leaders around them and been given a defined role to cut their teeth at AFL level rather than being heralded as the saviours of the club.

Further, I reckon if we had a recruiter of Taylor’s ilk there’s a fair chance we might’ve been less safe in picking those guys early in the draft.

A lot comes down to the makeup of the player as well. Watts was a flaky tall who hated a contest. Scully a skinny outside wingman(ala Walsh). Both don't scream generational talent. You could see Daicos was an absolute ball magnet who used the ball superbly and could run all day. Ashcroft another ball magnet and a stoppage beats, JHF a contested weapon. Reid is in this mould rather than the Watts/Scully mould. He looks tough, versatile, great skills, adaptable. He just looks like he's got it. And yes, we have the culture and the development now to at least give these kids the best shot at reaching their ceiling. And Reid's ceiling is very very high. He's worth the risk IMO.

 

[Bluelegs]

I agree largely with you’re saying. However, I get the sense that Reid is different, basically the kid would be good enough to play this year. I think it’s also worth the risk to go all in on him.

I reckon Scully (and even more so Watts) was a function of not having good recruiters and poor development . If Watts or Scully were recruited by Geelong or Hawthorn when drafted I reckon they would’ve had far better careers. They would’ve had time to develop in the VFL, had quality senior players/leaders around them and been given a defined role to cut their teeth at AFL level rather than being heralded as the saviours of the club.

Further, I reckon if we had a recruiter of Taylor’s ilk there’s a fair chance we might’ve been less safe in picking those guys early in the draft.

Agree on Watts, not so much Scully. Scully was a more of a prodigy athlete than a footballer. He pissed off after two years and only ever had a so-so career so can't really blame our development for that.