List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[s_wd6]

Damn there are people on other boards which genuinely think we'd be better off trading Darcy when "Jackson plays better on his own"

Our team is objectively better with both of them.

It's very obvious when people don't watch our games. Saw Jackson have a 5 game spurt as our main ruck where he played rly well against lower rated rucks, but even his last two games of the years vs avg rucks he wasn't dominant. It tired him out and takes away his versatility for us.

 

[Wray27]

Hasbley said on the run home sharp will be at freo next year

That’s because CTD told him that.

I think they have enough but GC would be dumb to do that trade. They should be able to do things that benefit them better.

yes but it’s GC

 

[eastfreo75]

They are all idiots who don’t watch enough freo games to know any better. Jackson is way to shackled playing #1 ruck, let the unicorn run free!

 

[Purple Suit]

We need more forward depth imo. If amiss goes down we are cooked.

Hence why the talk of shopping around Tabs is insane. I know he's the one who is likely to go down first but he's actually an AFL standard forward when fit. He's also contracted so we can play him in the two's if the young ones are up and about.

 

[pK75]

yes but it’s GC

They aren’t trading pick 4 down to 10 and 17 for additional points that will get eaten by a bid for Walter. They want future picks to set them up for next year, or to trade back into this years draft after they’ve matched bids for their big 3, it’s why our F1 for pick 4 actually has some merit to it.
If we could extract F2 from Hawks for Henry, we could offer F1 and F2 (ours or hawks) for pick 4, 28 and Sharp (we’d still have a F2,F3 & F4 so would be allowed to do that trade) we could throw in the later picks we aren’t using to sweeten the deal as a seperate trade on the night.
Trade 1. Freo F1 + Hawks F2 for 4 + Sharp
Trade 2 on the night. 28 for 40 + 52 + 58

We end up with 4, 21 and 28 as our live picks

 

[David Bubb]

Not sure why people are so quick to downplay what we will get for Henry. Late second or early third will not get it done. Would be very surprised if we end up with anything worse than pick 25-27.

Yes I know we have stuff all leverage because he's OOC, but we will not accept a late second or early third.

 

[Taylor]

Let's make the case for Henry to St Kilda.

Silvani likes Henry. Silvani also really liked Stocker. Silvani picked up Stocker from Carlton as soon as he could.

Silvani will also pick up Henry.

 

[arsesmart]

Not sure why people are so quick to downplay what we will get for Henry. Late second or early third will not get it done. Would be very surprised if we end up with anything worse than pick 25-27.

Yes I know we have stuff all leverage because he's OOC, but we will not accept a late second or early third.

It's called bitter experience.

But there are dynamics with the Henry situation that have the potential to shift outcomes in a fairer way. Will see.

I would hope, though not necessarily expect, Young and Henry to place Freo's interests in a close proximity to their own.

 

[Docker82]

Almost every team is cooked if their no1 forward goes down to be fair.

Didn’t Pav play like 10 games in 2013.

Our KPF depth in 2013 was Kepler Bradley that did his ACL in the first month of the season and Taberner in his first year. I think we ended up playing Alex Silvagni as a KPF!

Anyway point is it’s ideal we have more forward depth but good teams have flexible depth players. Even the deepest lists in the AFL currently aren’t much good after the 32nd player - I don’t think our depth is all that far off them tbh but best 22 is way behind.

 

[Taylor]

Let's make the case for Henry to St Kilda.

Silvani likes Henry. Silvani also really liked Stocker. Silvani picked up Stocker from Carlton as soon as he could.

Silvani will also pick up Henry.

He also grabbed all his GWS picks at Carlton

 

[MadMundy]

Didn’t Pav play like 10 games in 2013.

Our KPF depth in 2013 was Kepler Bradley that did his ACL in the first month of the season and Taberner in his first year. I think we ended up playing Alex Silvagni as a KPF!

Anyway point is it’s ideal we have more forward depth but good teams have flexible depth players. Even the deepest lists in the AFL currently aren’t much good after the 32nd player - I don’t think our depth is all that far off them tbh but best 22 is way behind.

I'm fairly certain our key forward stocks that year were Clarke and having to move Mayne into a key forward role.

Our smalls stepped up though, Walters had what I'd argue was a career best year and Ballantyne was solid too.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Walters had what I'd argue was a career best year

Nah 2019 Walters was different gravy: combo of an above average midfielder and an above average small fwd wrapped into one.

That 2019 team in general was a real sliding doors moment for Freo: if we didn't have like every key position player get injured, I think we make finals (though I think that was a blessing in disguise in the end).

 

[MadMundy]

Nah 2019 Walters was different gravy: combo of an above average midfielder and an above average small fwd wrapped into one.

That 2019 team in general was a real sliding doors moment for Freo: if we didn't have like every key position player get injured, I think we make finals (though I think that was a blessing in disguise in the end).

Realistically before 2022, that was our best chance of going deep in September:

DEF: Ryan, Pearce, Hamling

MID: Fyfe, Mundy, Walters, Brayshaw, Cerra, Langdon, Hill

FWD: Taberner, Hogan, Lobb, McCarthy, Matera

RUC: Darcy mentored by Sandilands

Our spine in 2019 was fantastic.

 

[pK75]

Realistically before 2022, that was our best chance of going deep in September:

DEF: Ryan, Pearce, Hamling

MID: Fyfe, Mundy, Walters, Brayshaw, Cerra, Langdon, Hill

FWD: Taberner, Hogan, Lobb, McCarthy, Matera

RUC: Darcy mentored by Sandilands

Our spine in 2019 was fantastic.

You missed Cox as well for spine depth. Wilson and Colyer added pace, it’s little wonder that we sacked the coach for not making finals with that team, Fyfe won his second Brownlow that year.

 

[Joao]

Agree it’s been the most disappointing season - but significant list cuts and new toys to play with is not the answer.

The root cause of our performance this year is inexperience and (I hate to say it) some pretty ordinary coaching. The make up of our list is not a Top 5 reason for this season’s performance for mine.

I’d rate all of the following as far bigger reasons for our performance:

• inexperience
• game day coaching (which surely is the issue for our first quarters)
• team selection (Hughes on wing, Fyfe forward, delaying the Young to midfield move - which apparently was in the works for a while before the move was made, Banfield over Sturt, Banfield over Emmett)
• Stagnant ball movement in first 5-6 games (which was our easiest run of games in the season - I honestly thought we’d be 6-0, but we were 2-4 and only just scraped past Gold Coast and only ran over West Coast when they had no rotations)
• Generally crap ball movement in to the forward 50.

I also think a combination of losing Mundy, Brodie regressing and Brayshaw (Doig medallist and AFLPA MVP) clearly playing sore for the first 8-10 weeks - which the club tried to cover up - really set us back far more than we realised.

I am supremely confident that a healthy pre-season and the greater experience for the majority of the list - plus a couple of tweaks to the coaching list should see us back in the eight.

I'm still bullish long term, I just want the dopamine from new players.

Didn’t Pav play like 10 games in 2013.

Our KPF depth in 2013 was Kepler Bradley that did his ACL in the first month of the season and Taberner in his first year. I think we ended up playing Alex Silvagni as a KPF!

Anyway point is it’s ideal we have more forward depth but good teams have flexible depth players. Even the deepest lists in the AFL currently aren’t much good after the 32nd player - I don’t think our depth is all that far off them tbh but best 22 is way behind.

I guess, but you're up against it if your best forward isn't there. Geelong look a totally different prospect without Hawkins (yes I know he's much better).

 

[MadMundy]

You missed Cox as well for spine depth. Wilson and Colyer added pace, it’s little wonder that we sacked the coach for not making finals with that team, Fyfe won his second Brownlow that year.

We were sitting in the top 4 for most of the first half of that season too.

Let's not forget Reece Conca either, Fyfe lauded him quite a bit as the reason he was able to get so free in our midfield.

 

[SiempreFreo]

Lies-No Aquinians are solid citizens

Fyfey

 

[heypenny]

Tabs and Corbett are the perfect KPF back-ups next year. They have enough experience to do a job if Amiss or Treacy go down. We don't want to pick up another 'okay' player on a 2 year contract.

However long term, it would be nice to pick up a young KPF in the draft who is competing with Treacy. Ideally with our first pick.

 

[Serongadongdong]

Fyfey

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[Dockeroo]

What’s the story with Liam Reidy and Conrad Williams?
I think they are both still out of contract now along with Hamling?

 

[Purple Suit]

I'm still bullish long term, I just want the dopamine from new players.



I guess, but you're up against it if your best forward isn't there. Geelong look a totally different prospect without Hawkins (yes I know he's much better).

New players are barely going to get a game if we're playing well. Only the mature age recruits are going to impact and only if there are injuries do they get opportunity unless we jag another Barlow.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Realistically before 2022, that was our best chance of going deep in September:

DEF: Ryan, Pearce, Hamling

MID: Fyfe, Mundy, Walters, Brayshaw, Cerra, Langdon, Hill

FWD: Taberner, Hogan, Lobb, McCarthy, Matera

RUC: Darcy mentored by Sandilands

Our spine in 2019 was fantastic.

The injury timeline of that era is definitely not something I missed. It's not just that we got injuries, it's that the misinformation made the Tuskegee Syphilis Study look ethical (granted, it's hard to attribute evil motives to that medical team coz to do so would imply competence):

• 2018: Brad Hill's "1 week" injury that lasted like 10 weeks.
• Then we get to 2019's greatest hits. Fyfe's elbow causing all sorts of drama, including that infection.
• After Hogan's injury they said "we don't know what it is, but we can guarantee it ain't the navicular." A few weeks later: "yeah nah the navicular is f****d"
• Lobb had a "season ending foot injury" that was only a 1 monther, followed by a dislocated shoulder which was passed off as subluxation for a couple weeks.
• Alex Pearce broke his ankle trying to kick a football. Idk if that's medical team related, but that was both really sad and really funny.

Another highlight: Blakely was supposed to be our midfield saviour after losing Neale but his hammy flew off, he played defence after coming back (featuring giving away 2 match winners in almost identical scenarios), and cut Langdon's grass.

I'm probably missing a few more of Freo's greatest hits, but just overall we were an unserious football club that almost stumbled into success with that strong spine.

 

[JammoMonty]

Let's make the case for Henry to St Kilda.

Silvani likes Henry. Silvani also really liked Stocker. Silvani picked up Stocker from Carlton as soon as he could.

Silvani will also pick up Henry.

I remember that draft day. Bid on Henry and then Green and then followed it up with a live trade with GC the pick after. At the time it made no sense.

When you think about SOS not being able to see out his contract with GWS or Carlton. My take on it was it was a little payback as he was departing Carlton a throwing a few grenades.

So why the bid on Henry? Ross was sacked at the end of that year. Went into bat for him. Those two are very tight.

 

[King Huskii]

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[Taylor]

I remember that draft day. Bid on Henry and then Green and then followed it up with a live trade with GC the pick after. At the time it made no sense.

When you think about SOS not being able to see out his contract with GWS or Carlton. My take on it was it was a little payback as he was departing Carlton a throwing a few grenades.

So why the bid on Henry? Ross was sacked at the end of that year. Went into bat for him. Those two are very tight.

He knew Freo would match and he wanted to buy time to sell his picks since he wanted Young, and then Serong and then nobody until later.