List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Ysaye]

if there’s even a 2% chance that clubs think he will turn into Bolton he will be picked well before 40

Around 32 - 39 feels like the right order of pick for Collard atm. He has the speed and skills to be a very dangerous half forward flank, and enough runs on the board. He may not be perceived to be as driven as others and needs to work hard to have more of influence for more of a game, but the underlying talent is definitely there. I think someone will bid earlier than 40 unless there are some real negatives not on display publicly.

 

[eastfreo75]

Gossage is a moron regarding Hewitt

Colin Young is a parasite

There are NFL teams that refuse to work with certain player agents.

Time for us to stop trading in Young managed players and any borderline players be delisted or not played.

Tell under 18 players Fremantle won’t draft you if you are managed by Young.

It’s time to take the gloves off.

 

[nurries]

There are NFL teams that refuse to work with certain player agents.

Time for us to stop trading in Young managed players and any borderline players be delisted or not played.

Tell under 18 players Fremantle won’t draft you if you are managed by Young.

It’s time to take the gloves off.

The NFL can do that, we ain’t that big. There must be a problem as the WC players he has don’t seem to move. He is either paid to play nice for WC or there is an issue with someone at Freo and Young.

 

[Superkoops]

There are NFL teams that refuse to work with certain player agents.

Time for us to stop trading in Young managed players and any borderline players be delisted or not played.

Tell under 18 players Fremantle won’t draft you if you are managed by Young.

It’s time to take the gloves off.

Never going to happen. Young is a pain but at the end of the day he is doing his job. I think it is obvious to all and other player agents that he is a greasy slime. That in itself should detract new draftees from going with him. Looks to me as though McDougal is taking in most of the new clients but ole slime-ball can’t let go and has to get involved.

We just need to better manage some of the new contract negotiations. There is nothing more we could have done with Henry. Seems his mind was made up last year and then confirmed once he got dropped (rightly so at the time) for round 5.

We certainly haven’t managed some of the contracts that well for players like Neale, Logue, Acres. Although it seems for whatever reason we never wanted to keep Acres.

Honestly with regards to Henry his trade price has been driven up and he will be a loss but one I feel is replaceable. We did not win many games with Henry in the side. There were some aspects of his game that helped like getting back to help defence and being in good position for an outlet. But his kicking depth is an issue. Big issue that as the season has gone on for me is worse than I thought. One of the Melbourne games - might have been Collingwood (can’t remember) he was thrown forward at the end and took a good mark on the lead. Only about 30-35metres out and just couldn’t make the distance.

 

[Superkoops]

Around 32 - 39 feels like the right order of pick for Collard atm. He has the speed and skills to be a very dangerous half forward flank, and enough runs on the board. He may not be perceived to be as driven as others and needs to work hard to have more of influence for more of a game, but the underlying talent is definitely there. I think someone will bid earlier than 40 unless there are some real negatives not on display publicly.

Our pick 40 will be borderline to moving in a pick or two. Depends on whether picks around the 20-35 mark are used for matching bids - especially GC. We may need to upgrade slightly using a F3 to push inside the top 40. You would wait until 35-40 as I doubt he would go before then based on what I’ve seen.

 

[Ysaye]

Our pick 40 will be borderline to moving in a pick or two. Depends on whether picks around the 20-35 mark are used for matching bids - especially GC. We may need to upgrade slightly using a F3 to push inside the top 40. You would wait until 35-40 as I doubt he would go before then based on what I’ve seen.

Yep agreed to be honest we don't know what will happen to that pick 40; it could get swapped with the Henry trade or it might become an earlier pick through academy / fs picks.

 

[Dockeroo]

Our pick 40 will be borderline to moving in a pick or two. Depends on whether picks around the 20-35 mark are used for matching bids - especially GC. We may need to upgrade slightly using a F3 to push inside the top 40. You would wait until 35-40 as I doubt he would go before then based on what I’ve seen.

Something that just struck me there - no doubt Collard will be signed to Colin Youngs stable. He seems to get all the indigenous kids from WA

 

[Dockernut]

Lance Collard is a must get this season. He is very raw but has so much talent. Our very own Sonny Walters was taken with pick 53 so don't pay too much attention to his draft projections. When he is on he plays like Farmer.

Jayzus that was ****ing impressive. Imagine that kind of forward craft alongside our emerging young talls. Tasty.

 

[eastfreo75]

Never going to happen. Young is a pain but at the end of the day he is doing his job. I think it is obvious to all and other player agents that he is a greasy slime. That in itself should detract new draftees from going with him. Looks to me as though McDougal is taking in most of the new clients but ole slime-ball can’t let go and has to get involved.

We just need to better manage some of the new contract negotiations. There is nothing more we could have done with Henry. Seems his mind was made up last year and then confirmed once he got dropped (rightly so at the time) for round 5.

We certainly haven’t managed some of the contracts that well for players like Neale, Logue, Acres. Although it seems for whatever reason we never wanted to keep Acres.

Honestly with regards to Henry his trade price has been driven up and he will be a loss but one I feel is replaceable. We did not win many games with Henry in the side. There were some aspects of his game that helped like getting back to help defence and being in good position for an outlet. But his kicking depth is an issue. Big issue that as the season has gone on for me is worse than I thought. One of the Melbourne games - might have been Collingwood (can’t remember) he was thrown forward at the end and took a good mark on the lead. Only about 30-35metres out and just couldn’t make the distance.

Henry chokes around goals. His depth on the kicks isn’t as big issue.

 

[Ysaye]

Something that just struck me there - no doubt Collard will be signed to Colin Youngs stable. He seems to get all the indigenous kids from WA

Yes - pretty sure I read somewhere else that he is already signed up with Young.

 

[Carnthedockers]

Take Away
1. Clubs needs to stop "low balling "offers with players they want to keep
2. Young is an issue and needs to be addressed
3. Hewitt being compared with Judd, uncle G is a knob.

I’m not sure we low balled griff, he couldnt make the team at the time. I also know with acres, that we promised him more money should he keep producing. At the time he had had one good season. I think it’s responsible list management. Plenty of clubs have dug themselves a hole paying players after 1 big year. I’m actually very comfortable the way it was handled.

 

[JammoMonty]

I’m not sure we low balled griff, he couldnt make the team at the time. I also know with acres, that we promised him more money should he keep producing. At the time he had had one good season. I think it’s responsible list management. Plenty of clubs have dug themselves a hole paying players after 1 big year. I’m actually very comfortable the way it was handled.

Logue was lowballed, along with Pearce & Acres.

 

[s_wd6]

Logue was lowballed, along with Pearce & Acres.

Not sure how you can lowball a guy that's not b22 and was dropped from the team.

 

[Dockeroo]

Logue was lowballed, along with Pearce & Acres.

What kind of $$ is Pearce on I wonder?
Wasn’t in the AFL top 100 paid list on the HS anyway and player 100 there was earning $650 to $700k

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Around 32 - 39 feels like the right order of pick for Collard atm. He has the speed and skills to be a very dangerous half forward flank, and enough runs on the board. He may not be perceived to be as driven as others and needs to work hard to have more of influence for more of a game, but the underlying talent is definitely there. I think someone will bid earlier than 40 unless there are some real negatives not on display publicly.

There is a moment in the SD clip where he gave the ball off in the back flank and you saw it ticking over in his mind that he needs to run up with them and assist if needed. Didn’t get the ball back but I hope that clip is showed to him on repeat because that’s what get you AFL games after talent

 

[Dockeroo]

Not sure how you can lowball a guy that's not b22 and was dropped from the team.

Bit of revisionism on Logue being dropped last year that I’ve seen from a few people on here.
He played about 20 games last year. By any stretch that’s a B22 player I reckon. I think he was dropped for one game from memory in round 3 after a poor game against the saints in R2. At the time I felt it was pretty harsh and he was the scapegoat for a poor performance by the entire team. The reality was he was far too good to be playing WAFL and they ended up bringing him back to AFL within one or two games and pushing him up into the forward line as the 3rd tall once the backline was settled were he was surprisingly effective.
I’ll put it this way - in 2023 Alex Pearce had about half a dozen shocking performances, far far worse than the one Logue was dropped for against the saints in R2 in 2022.
It was a mistake to lose Logue and that was evident as the club scrambled and tried its hardest to persuade him to stay.

 

[Taylor]

Logue was dropped a few times and came back in with a late withdrawal from Moose from memory

 

[sumavich]

Logue was a mistake. A high draft pick, a bolter.
He was a rower, with an athlete mentality.
He wasn't a natural footy player.
Should've been drafted with a 40 in front of his draft number

 

[apuchar]

Just watching the 1st half if the colts final. Collard has kicked 4.

 

[s_wd6]

Bit of revisionism on Logue being dropped last year that I’ve seen from a few people on here.
He played about 20 games last year. By any stretch that’s a B22 player I reckon. I think he was dropped for one game from memory in round 3 after a poor game against the saints in R2. At the time I felt it was pretty harsh and he was the scapegoat for a poor performance by the entire team. The reality was he was far too good to be playing WAFL and they ended up bringing him back to AFL within one or two games and pushing him up into the forward line as the 3rd tall once the backline was settled were he was surprisingly effective.
I’ll put it this way - in 2023 Alex Pearce had about half a dozen shocking performances, far far worse than the one Logue was dropped for against the saints in R2 in 2022.
It was a mistake to lose Logue and that was evident as the club scrambled and tried its hardest to persuade him to stay.

The first contract negotiations happened right around the time he was dropped. The offer we gave him was reflective of that. Which is why we revised our offer later in the year when we considered him a b22 lock. But by then he already had one foot out the door bc he secured his spot in the team up forward and he was stubborn and only wanted to be a defender.

At the end of the day Logue was a culture loss more than anything. He’s really not a great key defender and only marginally better than Pearce’s start to the year. For reference Pearces back end of the year (last 5/6 weeks) was better than what Logue would have offered us. Hamling has shown he’s more than capable depth. Acres was a bigger loss

 

[Dockeroo]

Logue was dropped a few times and came back in with a late withdrawal from Moose from memory

It was a couple of exceptional performances in R6 and 7 against Jeremy Cameron and Charlie Curnow that in the end actually probably cost us Logue.
Heads turned over east big time after those two games - this uncontracted athletic beast of a KPD was here absolutely towelling up the two best Key Forwards in the game.
North lodged their big money offer from then and we were always losing him from then on unless we stumped up an equivalent offer.
Should never have got to that.
It remains to be seen whether losing Logue will cost us in the long run - if Curnow cuts loose against us in a big final over the next few years we will wonder what might have been.
Lesson here is Don’t let valuable assets drift into their final season uncontracted. (DARCY AND COX ALERT)

 

[wakojako]

if there’s even a 2% chance that clubs think he will turn into Bolton he will be picked well before 40

I don't think he will turn into Bolton but he will be a good player. What I meant by the comparison is that the WA clubs ignored the very obvious talent of Bolton when he was playing in there backyard.

 

[wakojako]

Just watching the 1st half if the colts final. Collard has kicked 4.

 

[Vimal Anand]

What happened between round 6 to 14? Was he injured?

Top of the class, bolters and sliders: AFL draft state of play after champs

Dogs set to miss out on flyer; ‘freak’ into top five as Swans face big bidding call: Draft Watch

www.foxsports.com.au

Please the paragraph where they tell about Collard.

 

[mr.11]

We can dwell on past players leaving, the fact of the matter they are gone. Need to worry about our own current list. Yes, losing players sucks but it happens.
The question really is - Do we need any specific players to complement our side?
-Jack Billings

14

Jack Billings

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

is he a fit? I know he's 28..but gives us time while we have a young kid perform in WAFL rather than suffer at AFL level and be delisted straight away.
-Jeremy Sharp - Does he take Young's place in backline which allows him to play mid or does he play wing?
-Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

- Is there potential to snap him up?
What are we looking for in the draft? KPP?
Just spitting out ideas. JLo be feeling the heat next year that's for sure.