List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Roylion]

They could guarantee the North fan's a minimum number of games in Melbourne (and hope they don't remember the promises made to Fitzroy)

As if anyone would believe any AFL promises. North Melbourne will be continuing on in Melbourne.

 

[briztoon]

Yeah but if Ainsworth is left playing bit part roles in Dimma's system, he may have to consider a move. They have Rogers, Graham coming through along with Lombard in the pipeline. I think Ainsworth could see himself getting pushed out to depth quickly.

I agree. What role does he play with Cameron and McCarthy out of the side?

 

[mpal6]

I agree. What role does he play with Cameron and McCarthy out of the side?

I'd take him to play Zorko's old role. Ainsworth seems to have a good tank and can go more midfield/forward - like 70/30. He'd be the player whom we thought Rayner or Bailey would become eventually, but Ben might be a better fit for it.

 

[briztoon]

I'd take him to play Zorko's old role. Ainsworth seems to have a good tank and can go more midfield/forward - like 70/30. He'd be the player whom we thought Rayner or Bailey would become eventually, but Ben might be a better fit for it.

That's a role I think Levi Ashcroft will end up playing.

We would have:
Rayner
Bailey
Lohmann
L. Ashcroft
Ah Chee

 

[mpal6]

That's a role I think Levi Ashcroft will end up playing.

We would have:
Rayner
Bailey
Lohmann
L. Ashcroft
Ah Chee

Rayner could go third tall permanently, leaving that 70 forward / 30 mid to Levi.

I think it'll get to a point where Rayner might feel the squeeze even more next year. Bailey is better than him in the small/medium forward craft and if Levi+Ainsworth come onboard, they'll be better going through the middle. Will become tough to just fit Rayner in.

 

[Nunez]

Rayner could go third tall permanently, leaving that 70 forward / 30 mid to Levi.

I think it'll get to a point where Rayner might feel the squeeze even more next year. Bailey is better than him in the small/medium forward craft and if Levi+Ainsworth come onboard, they'll be better going through the middle. Will become tough to just fit Rayner in.

If I were the club I'd be putting Rayner in a full time midfield program next season with an eye on us running with Dunkley, Ashcroft and Rayner as our primary mids, with Neale playing fourth banana (ideal world). If Rayner - with a full pre season of Midfield training - can't get it done, then he'll have to move forward and in that situation it will absolutely be a squeeze. He is best 22 talent in every team, but he'll very much be locked into a basic role player spot in the 22.

 

[M Malice]

If Bruce Reville, Harry Sharp and Shadeau Brain perform really well over the rest of the season there is going to be an even bigger squeeze for spots in the latter half of this season and in our 2025 back2back Premiership side.

 

[BuntonRules]

When Gardiner and McCarthy are fit again, I cannot see either of them as automatic selections.

 

[M Malice]

When Gardiner and McCarthy are fit again, I cannot see either of them as automatic selections.

It feels like a long long way away until they are right to play again.. around the bye next year, Linc will be 31 by then.

 

[mpal6]

If Bruce Reville, Harry Sharp and Shadeau Brain perform really well over the rest of the season there is going to be an even bigger squeeze for spots in the latter half of this season and in our 2025 back2back Premiership side.

Some of our regulars may get used to playing in 2s and getting rotated off the first 22. Either they'll crack the sads and move on or be a team player and fight for their spots.

 

[mpal6]

It feels like a long long way away until they are right to play again.. around the bye next year, Linc will be 31 by then.

I read somewhere we are adding one more year to Linc's 1 year extension as a goodwill so he can be with us in 2026 as well. I think he'll be working towards at life after footy by then and become player coach type material. In any case, Linc seems pretty durable and it'll be nice to have him in 2s so we can call upon his experience when needed. Might be like another Lester career with Lions.

 

[lionshine]

Phill Moi Moi looks a decent small forward prospect. Playing with the Swans VFL side. Watched him a few weeks back and he’s clever around goal and a strong tackler. Fast & powerful athletically. Was surprised at his stats this season, been productive -

Rnd 1: 11 disposals, 1 goal, 6 tackles
Rnd 2: 12 disposals, 3 goals, 6 tackles
Rnd 4: 11 disposals, 4 tackles
Rnd 5: 12 disposals, 1 goal, 2 tackles
Rnd 7: 14 disposals, 3 goals, 2 tackles

 

[HereIGoAgain]

I wouldn't be too quick to write Linc off just yet. He has comparatively few match miles under his belt, a high level of resilience considering the first part of his career and the nous to continue to play on for a couple of more seasons.

 

[Viceregal]

I wouldn't be too quick to write Linc off just yet. He has comparatively few match miles under his belt, a high level of resilience considering the first part of his career and the nous to continue to play on for a couple of more seasons.

nods and his playing style is a lot more dependent upon his footy smarts than say someone who depends largely upon being really really fast...

 

[Nathan Barley]

It feels like a long long way away until they are right to play again.. around the bye next year, Linc will be 31 by then.

I think Dizzy was always just depth. Linc I would’ve hoped we’d go past at some point this year or next. Especially if we gave up turning Bailey and Rayner into midfielders

 

[ZoBlitz]

I think Linc's work gets underrated as sometimes happens with players in that kind of role. He's also one of our smartest players in terms of positioning and knowing how to run to the right spots.

 

[mpal6]

If I were the club I'd be putting Rayner in a full time midfield program next season with an eye on us running with Dunkley, Ashcroft and Rayner as our primary mids, with Neale playing fourth banana (ideal world). If Rayner - with a full pre season of Midfield training - can't get it done, then he'll have to move forward and in that situation it will absolutely be a squeeze. He is best 22 talent in every team, but he'll very much be locked into a basic role player spot in the 22.

Yep, next year will be interesting for our midfield. Every other club we can see that gradual transition from one core group to the other, as if like the mantle and prime mover responsibilities are being passed over to the next batch coming through.

Port has Rozzee/Butters (from Wines, Boak), Geelong has Bruhn/Atkins/Parfitt (from Selwood, Dangerfield, CGuthrie), GWS was more forced with Taranto, Hopper moving off and Tom Green, Callaghan stepping in. Even Fremantle there was a clear change from Fyfe over to Serong, Brayshaw.

It'll be fascinating to see what happens when Neale moves out and who'll put up their hands to take the midfield keys. In other clubs that heir apparent has stood out in some way. For us, if Will Ashcroft played this season may be he would've been one of them. Could be a Will + Levi show going forward.

 

[Jivlain]

As if anyone would believe any AFL promises. North Melbourne will be continuing on in Melbourne.

Ultimately, the AFL's faithlessness rendered it completely impossible for it to ever again move a team out of Melbourne.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I get the sentimental value of keeping Berry, and I'm sure he's an absolutely lovely bloke, but I don't rate him as a player. He makes too many mistakes at critical times, most obviously in the Grand Final. I'd rather let him move on and open up opportunities for others.

Revisiting this, I think moving him inside has played to Berry's strengths and hidden most of his flaws, and he's played much better since then. But he needs to stay there, because I'd rather play Fletcher, Sharp and Reville out on the wings.

 

[Nunez]

Berry was fantastic tonight.

 

[Squizz89]

If Berry continues in the midfield where he belongs we have to keep him imo. He’s the bull in there that we probably hoped, but seemingly will never happen, Cam could’ve become. I said in the game day thread we just have to take the punt on his shoulders holding up now. He’s not a winger at AFL level.

 

[pod17]

If Berry continues in the midfield where he belongs we have to keep him imo. He’s the bull in there that we probably hoped, but seemingly will never happen, Cam could’ve become. I said in the game day thread we just have to take the punt on his shoulders holding up now. He’s not a winger at AFL level.

Totally agree. He was great tonight. Rayner consistently on the cusp, without taking the next step. I’d play him permanently forward of the centre, and hope he can become a two goal a game player.

Payne was back to his best and Brain showed some glimpses to suggest he has a future. Reville too - would be nice if we landed two AFL calibre players out of Rookie picks.

We look well stocked for backs, yet need some attacking weapons. Seems as if it isn’t just Ultimate Footy where forwards are in short supply. Ainsworth is a long shot, but he’d be a very valuable addition. With all of the academy players coming through, the Suns might just let him go to ease a salary cap crunch a couple of years from now.

 

[lionshine]

Annable with another big game v Calder Cannons with 26 disposals and 2 goals. He might be another legit academy star for next year. Gillett had 26 and kicked 1.3 with 8 marks.

Tom Fry has had a good start to the year, he had 23 and a goal.

 

[SizeMatters]

Revisiting this, I think moving him inside has played to Berry's strengths and hidden most of his flaws, and he's played much better since then. But he needs to stay there, because I'd rather play Fletcher, Sharp and Reville out on the wings.

That’s exactly it. Was much better tonight. With less time to think he just plays to his strengths more. On the outside he just isn’t good. Can’t kick. Can’t make consistently good decisions. On the inside he just gets ball and moves it forward.

On Rayner he’s another “dumb” footballer but he performs better on the outside if the ball is hand fed to him. Can’t win it enough and has nfi where to move or how to use his body consistently. He just tries to brute force everything… doesn’t work in afl.

Thought he was pathetic tonight.

 

[Clarkythelion]

Let's have a conversation about Rayner - not about what he could be? not about how this will be his break out game, or his break out season but about the reality of of where he is actually at.

As a number 1 draft pick he is at the lower end, as an elite AFL player he is at the lower end. Each year we get half a game and he blows it apart and we all dance and think he has arrived, but the reality is that he is a pretty inconsistent, average player.

He could still step up, he could still be elite, I hope he does.

I'm thinking if we have the 2 Ashcroft boys and Bailey back, Kiddy back next year then Cam would not be in out top team.

What would Rayner be worth on the trade table? A decent first round pick we could trade for a more consistent performer? his 7th year must be up soon and i don't think I'd be matching a high bid and he would maybe an end of first round draft compensation at best on his actual performances.