List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[DragoDelph]

tell me you made up the Jack Martin rumour as well please

Nah, there's substance to that.

still a chance to stay on at the blues too.

 

[WilloTree]

It's widely reported that all clubs except WC and Essendon had CBA% increases in their player contracts. There isn't necessarily more cap available because of the cap increase

That's extraordinary.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Nah, there's substance to that.

still a chance to stay on at the blues too.

I know nothing about the Jack Martin stuff, that could be true for all I know.

Don't take away my hope

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I propose days off for any bored spud making up rumours instead of touching grass.

 

[s_wd6]

I propose days off for any bored spud making up rumours instead of touching grass.

I propose we wheel back to figuring out who’s having the medical done this week

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I propose we wheel back to figuring out who’s having the medical done this week

Martin ticks all the boxes if Carlton gave permission to head over

 

[DragoDelph]

I propose we wheel back to figuring out who’s having the medical done this week

Anyone having holidays in WA on instagram? Taylor ?

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Know someone who has connections to the club and they reckon we're about to offer a 1 year extension to Taberner.

Clueless if so.

I just fell to my knees in spud shed.

 

[Purple Suit]

We can afford pick 10 and Bolton's salary, if that's what your asking. And, there should be another 2m+ to spare in coming years. Of course, it's all guess work forme as salaries aren't public info. Basically, the AFLPA have negotiated a deal for TPP at the right time for buyers.

The 2m spare is a red herring. Older players retire every year but younger players get older and better so need more money. Sturt, Voss, Reidy etc will all need a bit more and it adds up. We already have long term contracts for a lot of our stars but often a 7 year contract won't be the same over every year. It will increase and decrease as the planned money becomes available or if someone leaves they might pay them a bit more to bring it forward. The 2m is already planned on leaving and allowances have been made for what we are doing with it including recruiting. More than half is probably just to recruit kids and pay depth.

I recon 2 of the Warner / Pickett / Bolton combo have been getting worked on for a long time and either Bolton or Pickett has come on the radar in the last few months. Getting all three in my be impossible for a cap scenario but maybe if we get creative plus trade out a star a few years later we can do it. It's a much better scenario to be in than our previous ones.

 

[s_wd6]

Martin ticks all the boxes if Carlton gave permission to head over

And this is why people are making up their own rumours instead

 

[Docker82]

Nah, there's substance to that.

still a chance to stay on at the blues too.

Wouldn't cost a draft pick we'd use IMO. Personally I think it's a waste of a list spot but there's little to lose (but also IMO very little to gain).

 

[DQ 4EVER]

Occam was a place not a person.

Occam was indeed a person & even has a descendant in the AFL umpiring fraternity

On SM-G960F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[CapitalA]

Why, it's the one area of the ground they're covered? Makes no sense

They're losing battle who is a similar type to Ryan.

 

[Paracleet]

Occam was a place not a person.

This is not really correct. The person who supposedly came up with the razors' 'name' was William of Occam (Ockham). It's not like the term comes from the idea being one that was held in the Village of Ockham that then came to be accepted by everyone else. He'd long since left when he came up with it.

It'd be like ascribing the activities and achievements of Francis of Assisi to the town of Assisi.

Pedantry is much better than made up trades, I'm sure we all agree.

 

[Big Flappy]

Jack Martin

19

Jack Martin

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

is exactly the type of guy you have a swing at when you are loading up for a finals push.

Supremely skilled, will be dirt cheap, have zero expectations. If he can get going at the right time he is the finisher. he isn't coming into grind 23 games out and lift the squad into finals.

 

[DragoDelph]

They're losing battle who is a similar type to Ryan.

Starting price is NWM.

Then their first this year.

We'll settle for the F1 & the Battle compo

 

[DragoDelph]

Jack Martin is exactly the type of guy you have a swing at when you are loading up for a finals push.

Supremely skilled, will be dirt cheap, have zero expectations. If he can get going at the right time he is the finisher. he isn't coming into grind 23 games out and lift the squad into finals.

Just needs to be available when Koz is suspended

 

[go_the_dockers]

Martin ticks all the boxes if Carlton gave permission to head over

Torn calf - 23 times
Torn Hamstring - 15 times
Defensive pressure - 0 times

 

[Alfonz]

I get your point but as yet I've heard nothing reliable that Freo are scrambling to work out the TPP. I'll leave that to Collingwood. I do know we saved a bucket load when Hogan and Lobb left.

You don't need to hear anything. Do the maths yourself. I've done it with conservative estimates for our top 10-15 players, and you quickly realise that there is not much left for the rest.

Another exercise is to scan the other good teams and count how many players you would put in the "will be paid highly bracket" going forward. There's only so many you can have at the top end without making the bottom end too weak.

We're trying to fit in Darcy-Cox-Jackson-Brayshaw-Serong-Young-Bolton-Warner. It would be more than any club at the high end. Throw in Treacy who could command 800k+ easily on the open market. Let alone Pickett.

 

[dont bowl there]

It's why we should be looking to trade Cox at the end of next year, pending Drapers uptick that we all expect. Frees up cash in a position that we can cover (pending Draper 25 form) and would net us at least a first round pick.

 

[freo1997]

We would be idiots to trade Cox and Ryan.

Maybe in a year or two when the youngsters below develop.

 

[JammoMonty]

We would be idiots to trade Cox and Ryan.

Maybe in a year or two when the youngsters below develop.

Neither of those two are heading anywhere.

 

[dont bowl there]

We would be idiots to trade Cox and Ryan.

Maybe in a year or two when the youngsters below develop.

I'm not the biggest Luke Ryan fan but I would trade Cox before him, more value and I just rate Ryans best as better than Cox.

 

[ignoramus]

A retiring player can reach agreement to be paid out less up front, but most clubs tend to move them to the rookie list to have $85k or so knocked off the TPP for that following season.

This is a bit of a false economy. It's hard to say for sure given that rookie status isn't advertised anymore, but Freo have been running with the max number of rookies for a few years now. I imagine there are more than a couple of clubs that run the same — precisely because they are maximising the salary cap by maximising the number of non-TPP amounts allocated to rookies.

In any case, as pertains to Walters, which was the context of this comment, there's no extra $85k suddenly knocked off the TPP by placing Walters him on the rookie list, because he would be taking that spot at the expense of an existing rookie (unless we run with one less player, which is unlikely given the contracts and the lack of free list spots).

 

[go_the_dockers]

You don't need to hear anything. Do the maths yourself. I've done it with conservative estimates for our top 10-15 players, and you quickly realise that there is not much left for the rest.

Another exercise is to scan the other good teams and count how many players you would put in the "will be paid highly bracket" going forward. There's only so many you can have at the top end without making the bottom end too weak.

We're trying to fit in Darcy-Cox-Jackson-Brayshaw-Serong-Young-Bolton-Warner. It would be more than any club at the high end. Throw in Treacy who could command 800k+ easily on the open market. Let alone Pickett.

17.7 Million salary cap
-- I wonder how much these guys are using up, if they were reported at 800k when they signed, and the salary cap has gone up 20+%, does that mean they are now around 1 million (rough math's only)


Assuming the figures below are roughly correct, then these 15 players use 9.3 million of the salary cap, which is why we have plenty of space.

If you add Bolton at full salary, it is over 10.3 which is still more than enough salary to pay the rest.
400k per player. I must be under estimating how much some of players are getting paid, maybe they all got a pay rise when the salary cap went up and some are pushing 1 million.

Darcy	800​
Jackson	800​
Brayshaw	800​
Serong	800​
Young	800​
Treacy	800​
Pearce	600​
Cox	600​
Ryan	600​
Amiss	500​
Clark	500​
Chapman	500​
Omeara	400​
Fyfe	400​
Walters	400​