Review A Win’s A Win - Freo by Six In The ‘Away’ Game vs North

[EastcoastDocker]

Re: Fyfe as sub. If you compare him to the north sub who do you think was more impactful? Not saying the kid is a better player or anything but a sub who is handball first vs a run and carry sub is the bigger question. The North kid carved us up and delivered well inside 50

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[ilikepotatoes]

Yeah I might be setting unrealistic expectations on Jacko actually
For those complaining about the umpiring - Banfields holding the ball on the goal line and Fyfe’s very dubious handball with a couple of minutes left in their forward 50 were very fortunate.

Oh 100% that Banfield call was ridiculous.

In saying that we didn't get a single holding the ball call in the last and they had quite a few generous interpretations there way.

And I don't know why Cox was penalised for front on contact.

 

[Quazar2]

31k isn't that bad.

Was looking like it was going to be more like 25k at one stage.

shhhh, don't tell Ross. Might get envious

 

[mattis117]

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Luke Jackson swooped on a loose ball, Erm no he didn't, he received the handball from Amiss who had an excellent ground ball.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

While it would have been great to put them away properly, I think some of the gnashing of teeth and wailing I'm seeing online is a little bit ridiculous. We kick straight and that's a very different looking result.

• I think people forget that North have built, by virtue of league handouts, one of the stronger midfields in the comp - they've done the exact same thing to Brisbane and Collingwood in recent months. The trick is finding a way to win, which we've struggled to do in the past but did effectively (if not particularly attractively).
• For all the criticism he cops, I thought Darcy's ruckwork really set up the second quarter burst that effectively won us the game. He's not there to be Luke Jackson
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  , but what he brings is still incredibly handy.
• People really need to adjust the rose coloured glasses where Ras in concerned? Pressure? He stuck one tackle.
• That being said, the absence of forward pressure was disappointing and something they'll hopefully look at next week.
• I know it's an "Out: Pearce" style cliche to dump on Banners at this point, but he's certainly used up a lot of the credit he had banked - one of his worst games in a while.
• The absolute rails run they got from Dalgleish and co in the clinches was ludicrous - Jye gets mauled by Pink and Dawson all night to zero response, but breathe near Larkey and they can't wait to get the whistles out.

Ultimately happy to escape the bye with the four points in hand and move onto Thursday.

 

[mattis117]

I thought Fyfe was pretty good when he came in and I’m not sure why people were complaining about Raz being taken off - he had a poor enough game and it was an obvious sub for me.
Fyfe was big in a few key moments - the clearance in the lead up to the amiss missed set shot was vintage Fyfe and Erasmus just does not have that in his locker, full stop. Yeah he’s a bit slow with defensive running but that’s outweighed by his other positives.

It was great to get the 4 points but we were so lucky we were playing a rubbish team.

Some of the comments here are hilarious pumping them up.

They. Are. Shite.

One of the worst sides in recent AFL memory that have pretty much no idea how to win a game. They have barely won ten games in the last 5 years.
Someone said earlier the have “a really good midfield” - no they bloody well don’t!! It’s one of the worst midfields in the comp, a bottom 3 midfield group.
“Their ladder position is misleading” - lol no it’s not. They are exactly where they deserve to be in the bottom 3 teams.

Anyway onwards to Essendon. A better team than north so we’ll need to improve to beat them but we have loads of room for improvement so I expect to see it.
If we drop either of the next 2 I think we won’t make finals so they are massive.

What a trash second half of this post. Xerri is the standout best ruck in the league and LDU is an inside bull. You don't win internet brownie points for being edgy. All you see is the record and you're completely blind to the actual quality of the performance put up.

 

[Paracleet]

A graph of pressure in terms of field position and time throughout a game would be great.

In saying that whilst it felt North were cutting us up at times if you look at the numbers we were far more effective on most measures of ball movement.

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Norths forward pressure was great, but it didn't actually lead to that many scores. Then when we did get it out their pressure on our transition was actually quite poor. Weird.
Also my recollection is the greater part of their comeback goals were turnovers on the wing rather than from repeat entries.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Club won't be happy with that outcome from a crowd perspective

Average opponent?
Weather?
Cost of living?

= bad crowd

It was still double what North attract at Marvel.

 

[FreoRicci]

I thought Fyfe was pretty good when he came in and I’m not sure why people were complaining about Raz being taken off - he had a poor enough game and it was an obvious sub for me.
Fyfe was big in a few key moments - the clearance in the lead up to the amiss missed set shot was vintage Fyfe and Erasmus just does not have that in his locker, full stop. Yeah he’s a bit slow with defensive running but that’s outweighed by his other positives.

It was great to get the 4 points but we were so lucky we were playing a rubbish team.

Some of the comments here are hilarious pumping them up.

They. Are. Shite.

One of the worst sides in recent AFL memory that have pretty much no idea how to win a game. They have barely won ten games in the last 5 years.
Someone said earlier the have “a really good midfield” - no they bloody well don’t!! It’s one of the worst midfields in the comp, a bottom 3 midfield group.
“Their ladder position is misleading” - lol no it’s not. They are exactly where they deserve to be in the bottom 3 teams.

Anyway onwards to Essendon. A better team than north so we’ll need to improve to beat them but we have loads of room for improvement so I expect to see it.
If we drop either of the next 2 I think we won’t make finals so they are massive.

Such a poor second half post.
North have a very decent midfield. Xerri, like I said, is a man mountain and Jackson cannot compete against those types full time.
LDU, Sheezel, Wardlaw, Parker, McKercher is still a strong midfield. North just don’t have a good forward line.

Every team still has to respect the opposition, regardless of ladder position.

 

[Mr Cheese]

I hope after last nights game, people will understand that Jackson cannot handle rucks like Xerri, Nankervis, even Goldie. They are able to take away his run and leap. Darcy is the opposite, he stands toe to toe and takes them on physically.
Darcy is a must.

Yeah, I thought maybe Jackson had bulked enough to negate this, but he got pantsed by Xerri (to the eye at least). Darcy in turn beat Xerri. The impact of the two was Xerri being pretty gassed last quarter (as someone else pointed out, their score was predominantly due to losing Switta's pressure), which allowed us to get back hold of the game around the 10 minute mark of Q4. Was pleased to see Darcy clunk one too; he's clearly building, and if he gets back to even 80-90% of his Doig form, he'll be invaluable and we'll have a massive point of difference. Won't get a better pure ruck for 7-800k.

 

[Bastyy]

Bollox. Saved the game for us. Was cleanest marking forward (maybe player) on the ground in that game.

I don't think Treacy's form is the reason the game was so close/is an active detriment to the team; his marking was great today (and far more noticeable than the couple of games before the bye) but the great Treacy games are far more complete than what he showed today. It was more than just his missed set shot, the exciting pinpoint field kicks just weren't there today. I like that he's imposing himself as a marking target! I just think he's not playing 100%

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

Our forward entries can still be so frustrating. I don't understand how our smalls can simultaneously be nowhere near the crumb or an opponent to put on any pressure as they walk it out with ease.

 

[King Huskii]

In Australia we say maths, not math.
We don't call a footpath a sidewalk!!!!

Us country lads call it gravel

 

[Jezzitizle]

Where are all those who disputed my Frederick comments after Gold Coast game?
Effectively playing with 17 men on the field. He is pathetic out there. Throw in Sharp as well, panic merchant who is not AFL standard. Stop selecting Fyfie, he is done well and truly, highlighted by the chase on North player and only saved by North player spilling the ball.

Bottom six will kill you, say it again and slowly.

Freddy is a bit boom or bust. 17 goals after 13 games is a solid return for a half forward.

I do wish Jamie Graham would pull his finger out and teach Freddy proper tackling technique, he’s all arms and so is shrugged to easily, but I don’t think he should be dropped.

 

[freoextra]

Watched the replay with some trepidation after reading the comments:

1. Really good second quarter with crisp ball movement and good goal kicking in trying conditions.
2. I have never seen a better Freo team in wet conditions than this team, it’s actually not even close, we used to go to water as soon as there was any!
3. Without Darcy, Xerri would have got North over the line like he did against WC.
4. North played a great pressure game came really well prepared, but still if our forwards had been more accurate this didn’t need to be close.
5. Worner continues his great form, those contested marks hey!
6. Whoever quelled LDU after that first quarter did a great job (Wagner?).
7. Worried even more about our front half pressure if Switta does not get up (we need a much better team effort).
8. I feel an unhappy ending coming for Erasmus in the next game which makes me sad (as we wave him goodbye).

 

[Fred Ziffel]

It was surprising that Freddie wasn’t subbed. He had struggled for a touch in the first three quarters. Sub him off and move Erasmus into Freddie’s position to provide some forward line pressure and tackling that was missing. Fyfe into midfield rotating with Erasmus.

Yes. This was the move screaming out to be made.

 

[Purpletown]

Oh 100% that Banfield call was ridiculous.

In saying that we didn't get a single holding the ball call in the last and they had quite a few generous interpretations there way.

And I don't know why Cox was penalised for front on contact.

Cox came in from the front but didn't touch the guy who got the free kick for front on contact. A very strange umpiring decision indeed?

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Did my eyes deceive me in the 3rd ?
Did Dalgleish penalise a North player for not returning the ball to him after he called for it?
The recipient of the free was ironically Sean Darcy

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, the same player that received the free kick against Collingwood two years ago for the same reason. One minute forty left on the clock and NM do what Collingwood have been getting away with for years.

 

[Quazar2]

I didn't see the game because at work, but I managed "snippets' or, at times, chunks. What I saw was 2 teams contesting a rather unattractive, unpretty game - later a bit of a wet slog (again!), North being quite good off rebound at halfback, but mostly not too good at goal. Freo, as has been a little bit of a trademark, having at least 1 quarter burst that sees them pull away. And eventually good enough to grind out a way. Satisfactory?! Maybe just. Maybe not in terms of what we've come to expect to see, but all things considered....it's another win to keep the winning form going.

Sometimes when your back's against the wall, conditions are trying and you've lost rhythm/momentum coming off the bye. Players looked a bit sketchy, Ryan down back was looking all at sea sometimes from what I saw. But how many times has a bye tripped up an in-form team, home or away..?! It's a notorious banana skin.

Was it an unconvincing win, well. Maybe? Of course we look at North being 16th and not only think "win", but percentage boost - but sport is a funny ole business, and not always going to plan or what on paper you expect to happen. North were up for the fight, good pressure and performed above weight, whilst Freo went through the motions without playing out their skin and had some issues up forward too. Whilst Treacy and Amiss are experiencing lean goal spells, others have stepped up and contributing like Voss and of course Bolton. I think Reid is already up to 15 goals, which is just mad! Jackson reminded us of his versatility and talent with 2 of his own and then, when all is said and bum - 4 points is still the 4 points. It keeps one of the competition's youngest/inexperienced teams inside, hovering or sniffing around the 8 whilst other teams like St. Kilda, Essendon, Melbourne, Port and Sydney are floundering or struggling to string together enough to see them challenge for a finals spot and hoping for their own arcs of redemption.

Not convinced Freo is a "heavyweight" yet, but the trajectory looks juicy from where I'm sitting. Of course, it's all about patience and I'm the most impatient person I know. I'd love to see it all, have it all. Right here right now. But alas, I doubt it. Smack the living snoticles out of teams like North. Yeah it's fun when your team does that, who remembers 2019 Round 1 - to do something of a Freomaniac! But it doesn't always go to script. Patience Grasshopper as the old saying goes!

Let's see if they dish up the same against Essendon Thurs, and especially if it's bloody dry. I hope it's bloody dry! Well, dry not bloody. Only then I'll start stropping the pitchfork, especially if they lose.

Until then. Have a Kit-Kat

 

[oldgoat]

100% it’s happening. If we can guarantee one thing with this muppet of a coach it’s that he’s pig headed beyond all rational

Very sad day/s coming for you nerdy...JL is going to lead our boys to a premiership or three.
Im happy for you to stay on board but you need to prepare yourself...a good cover story would be wise..
"I was just tryin to get my boy, Justy, motivated"?

 

[Quazar2]

Very sad day/s coming for you nerdy...JL is going to lead our boys to a premiership or three.
Im happy for you to stay on board but you need to prepare yourself...a good cover story would be wise..
"I was just tryin to get my boy Justy motivated"?

my boy 'Justy'

 

[oldgoat]

Turns out we are a wet weather team. Need to hope for more rain.

Wharfies dont work in the rain, Dockers do though.

 

[oldgoat]

Never speak about this game ever again.

...oh we will, one way or another!

 

[BStaff17]

Disliked Pav the second he dropped the footy and picked up the mic, and it's only gotten worse over the years.

Also agree with the previous poster re Paps, an absolute flog and you can tell he is background barracking for whoever Freo vs.

Can't Pav go and relax in a corporate box or a legends lounge.

He overcompensates on his commentary on Freo games

 

[Taylor]

Norths forward pressure was great, but it didn't actually lead to that many scores. Then when we did get it out their pressure on our transition was actually quite poor. Weird.
Also my recollection is the greater part of their comeback goals were turnovers on the wing rather than from repeat entries.

It's my understanding that North are one of the best at scoring from the back half/chains that begin in their defensive fifty - in the top six in the league. I don't think they scored a single point in the game that way. We clearly went to work on their strengths, matching them for clearance and blunting their ball movement. They certainly helped by kicking it out on the full or near enough to grass and boundary to be useless to their forwards.

Actually, they kicked 1.0 from defensive chains.

Freo kicked 23 points... but it was three goals five behinds. It could have been a belting in that regard.

Our set shot accuracy disgusting, oh well. Result went to us, moving on.