News AFL overhauls Academy and FS bid matching, discussing draft lockout

[Taylor]

Ahh so not a football/competition equality thing but a “I want my club to have” thing

Well if the talent that lives outside of the tiny part of WA that has easy access to the WAFL clubs finds its way onto the AFL lists then it is a boost to the competition, but if the players aren't getting to stay in WA unless it's after pick 20 or 40 then they might go play rugby or whatever the excuse is.

 

[Colonial]

Well if the talent that lives outside of the tiny part of WA that has easy access to the WAFL clubs finds its way onto the AFL lists then it is a boost to the competition, but if the players aren't getting to stay in WA unless it's after pick 20 or 40 then they might go play rugby or whatever the excuse is.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Taylor]

Thanks for proving my point.

It's the same point justifying Sydney and GWS getting access to elite players like they are father sons

 

[Colonial]

It's the same point justifying Sydney and GWS getting access to elite players like they are father sons

You literally read nothing I wrote and just went on a rant. Kudos. Showing your qualities haven't improved over the years.

 

[.Shotties.]

Especially if the WA clubs are bringing young people from well outside the Perth or large country footy blocks to the WAFL system which is so condensed you can visit all their training in a few hours driving around Perth but take an entire day to drive nearly all the way to the top of WA.

Can I have some examples of the Eagles or Dockers bringing players into the WAFL system?

Well if the talent that lives outside of the tiny part of WA that has easy access to the WAFL clubs finds its way onto the AFL lists then it is a boost to the competition, but if the players aren't getting to stay in WA unless it's after pick 20 or 40 then they might go play rugby or whatever the excuse is.

Que? There were no development pathways in the state before the academies. There was local, state reps and that was about it. There wasn't even a pipeline into a condensed, high-level competition in Sydney because there still isn't one.

I do like how your mask came off with the "Or whatever the excuse is" comment. You want access for the WA clubs to WA talent because the NSW players have the academies, completely ignoring the circumstances around the set up of the academies.

 

[BluesFever]

Bring it in and don’t complicate it. I love the NBA but understanding their salary cap and trade rules is a bigger achievement than a Nobel Prize

 

[Colonial]

Bring it in and don’t complicate it. I love the NBA but understanding their salary cap and trade rules is a bigger achievement than a Nobel Prize

Bring what in?

 

[RanaNaved]

Bring what in?

It, obviously

 

[BluesFever]

Bring what in?

Sorry - mid season trading. But I think I have the wrong thread!

Newbie. Please excuse me

 

[Colonial]

Sorry - mid season trading. But I think I have the wrong thread!

Newbie. Please excuse me

No to mid-season trading.

 

[BluesFever]

No to mid-season trading.

why?

It gives us something to argue about and discuss during bye weeks.

Also gives all clubs something to look forward to

 

[LukeParkerno1]

why?

It gives us something to argue about and discuss during bye weeks.

Also gives all clubs something to look forward to

It advantages Victorian clubs MASSIVELY, I'm not completely against it but there has to be huge safeguards in place. The trade can't be just for the rest of that season for starters.

 

[Colonial]

why?

It gives us something to argue about and discuss during bye weeks.

Also gives all clubs something to look forward to

All?

 

[Jirik13]

It advantages Victorian clubs MASSIVELY,

Why? Clubs would have to pay massive over if it would be a good player and it would be teams having a chance to play finals not only Vic clubs. If player would leave anyway at the end of season at least clubs would get more for him at MSD. Obviously, clubs could still say no as players are under contract.

 

[BluesFever]

All?

Top teams can look at the list of crap teams to see what they can obtain to enhance their list for a flag tilt.

Bottom teams can look at what they can sell for more draft picks or trade assets.

Leads to more news stories about the AFL, more fan engagement and therefore more money at AFL house.

Win win win

 

[Wizard]

It advantages Victorian clubs MASSIVELY, I'm not completely against it but there has to be huge safeguards in place. The trade can't be just for the rest of that season for starters.

That would be a loan, not a trade.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

That would be a loan, not a trade.

The whole idea hasn't been thought out, it's just another thing for Victorian clubs, players won't move interstate mid season.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Why? Clubs would have to pay massive over if it would be a good player and it would be teams having a chance to play finals not only Vic clubs. If player would leave anyway at the end of season at least clubs would get more for him at MSD. Obviously, clubs could still say no as players are under contract.

Players won't move interstate on short notice, they just won't they have family things and other factors for starters. So really it's just an idea to better Victorian sides as players can move between those clubs. You think a player is moving to Perth from Melbourne mid season? What about Sydney? GC, Brisbane...it just won't happen.

Not against it in theory but it's practicality is a huge issue.

 

[Jirik13]

players won't move interstate mid season.

Why not? If they get offered a longer contract on good money and a chance to play finals I bet some would go for it. Family can move 3 months later or whatever especially if move cost is covered etc. AFL has 1 year to work out details.

 

[Jirik13]

Players won't move interstate on short notice, they just won't they have family things and other factors for starters. So really it's just an idea to better Victorian sides as players can move between those clubs. You think a player is moving to Perth from Melbourne mid season? What about Sydney? GC, Brisbane...it just won't happen.

Not against it in theory but it's practicality is a huge issue.

I bet some players would move to Lions and so on under advantageous conditions. Don't forget that a lot of trades are work in progress for a couple of years. So what's the big deal for player leaving mid-season or at the end? Essentially 3 months difference.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

The whole idea hasn't been thought out, it's just another thing for Victorian clubs, players won't move interstate mid season.

Definitely little to no benefit outside VIC but particularly for WA and SA clubs. VIC players seem more open to going north these days given who Brisbane have recruited and to a lesser extent, your own club have picked up but agree still hard to see them move mid season if they have families.

Only reason that a WA/SA club in particular is getting a midseason trade is because said player was moving at the end of the year anyway and I imagine the benefit is trivial then regardless.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Why not? If they get offered a longer contract on good money and a chance to play finals I bet some would go for it. Family can move 3 months later or whatever especially if move cost is covered etc. AFL has 1 year to work out details.

You actually trust the AFL to work these details out lol, they stuff up every one of these ideas, they are still fixing the farcical draft point curve. It's purely and simply an advantage for Victorian sides, which is whatever but there has to be strict rules to stop ahuge pillaging of talent, otherwise you might as well go back to the VFL

 

[Jirik13]

You actually trust the AFL to work these details out lol, they stuff up every one of these ideas, they are still fixing the farcical draft point curve. It's purely and simply an advantage for Victorian sides, which is whatever but there has to be strict rules to stop ahuge pillaging of talent, otherwise you might as well go back to the VFL

I don't think you presented compelling arguments for me. That's OK. Different opinions. At the end, clubs can say no, so hardly pillaging. Clubs would have to offer significant overs.

Just simple example. Let's say Suns will know that Ben will leave at the end of 2024. Why not to let him go at MSD for double price if he leaves anyway?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Definitely little to no benefit particularly outside VIC but for WA and SA clubs. VIC players seem more open to going north these days given who Brisbane have recruited and to a lesser extent, your own club have picked up but agree still hard to see them move mid season if they have families.

Only reason that a WA/SA club in particular is getting a midseason trade is because said player was moving at the end of the year anyway and I imagine the benefit is trivial then regardless.

Far from convinced its not a bowing down to Victorian clubs pressuring the AFL as usual. I'm not actually completely against it but there has to be measures in place to ensure equality for all clubs, the last thing we need is to see super clubs built for 6 weeks a season and we all know it will only be a Victorian club. It works in the NBA but even in that sport fans hate it most of the time.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I don't think you presented compelling arguments for me. That's OK. Different opinions. At the end, clubs can say no, so hardly pillaging.

Clubs in Victoria will do it and you have massive inequality, don't complain when your best players are pillaged by Victorian clubs. Each to their own, if you want King playing for the Pies in August for instance.