News AFL overhauls Academy and FS bid matching, discussing draft lockout

[LukeParkerno1]

Bit late to this topic

Surely they dont get rid of father sons will they ?
will it happen this year or 2026 if it happens

They won't get rid of any of them in the next 5 years, it's not happening despite the bleating by the Saints

 

[Purple Suit]

Glad that will never happen, what a ridiculous idea, so the academies do all the work and the club can't benefit?

How about we wait for this new system and then lets see. Good thing about Swann being in charge he actually won't be like Laura and he has somewhat of a backbome.

If you want to make it no discount, fine but that's it that's where it should end. Not as if other clubs don't have advantages that by the way they are not giving up...I mean Adelaide get a free home game each year for goodness sakes!

Exactly what use to happen in other states. WA and SA got restricted to pick 40, not 1st round and they still did the work. Academies should be elite talent pathways for kids, clubs are funded by the AFL to run them so spread the work load and balance it between 18 clubs.

Rules for some and not for others is what is truly ridiculous. Imagine if Northern teams had no 15m short kick rule applied to them on game day, this is what the current system is like.

 

[Danog]

There shouldn't be any points discount. Priority access IS the benefit

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Exactly what use to happen in other states. WA and SA got restricted to pick 40, not 1st round and they still did the work. Academies should be elite talent pathways for kids, clubs are funded by the AFL to run them so spread the work load and balance it between 18 clubs.

Rules for some and not for others is what is truly ridiculous. Imagine if Northern teams had no 15m short kick rule applied to them on game day, this is what the current system is like.

The new system has fixed literally all the issues. How about we give it a chance before bleating from the rooftops? There would be no benefit in growing the game if you did it your way, and retention would be a bigger issue. Academies are there to bridge the gap thats all.

You give up some advantages that Vic clubs get and then we can talk rolling the academies back further, somehow I doubt they will agree to more travel let alone getting a home grand final every time they make it

 

[LukeParkerno1]

There shouldn't be any points discount. Priority access IS the benefit

Don't mind it so long as it's across the board NGA and F/S too

 

[Danog]

Don't mind it so long as it's across the board NGA and F/S too

Agreed

 

[Purple Suit]

The new system has fixed literally all the issues. How about we give it a chance before bleating from the rooftops? There would be no benefit in growing the game if you did it your way, and retention would be a bigger issue. Academies are there to bridge the gap thats all.

You give up some advantages that Vic clubs get and then we can talk rolling the academies back further, somehow I doubt they will agree to more travel let alone getting a home grand final every time they make it

It hasn’t fixed the first round. If there are no academies in the first round then it is far less of an issue and it only goes to 20 or so. Not pick 30.

Retention is fine when you are competing, look at Sydney & Brisbane. You will still have bulk locals to fill your team with, you can match 2 or 3 a year past the first 20 or 22 picks.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

There shouldn't be any points discount. Priority access IS the benefit

I’ve actually come around to the tax rather than discount. If you want special access to a player pay a 10% tax.
The discount is the most stupid concept imaginable

 

[Wild Bill]

This years draft will finally be the straw that breaks the camels back. The premiership teams pick 18 will be a pick in the 30s. That will have to force change.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It hasn’t fixed the first round. If there are no academies in the first round then it is far less of an issue and it only goes to 20 or so. Not pick 30.

Retention is fine when you are competing, look at Sydney & Brisbane. You will still have bulk locals to fill your team with, you can match 2 or 3 a year past the first 20 or 22 picks.

Have you even looked at the new system? GC can only match a max of 2 this first round. Every northern side is paying more this year that’s fair. How about we wait and see it implemented first and then we can fix the stuff that may need to be fixed

 

[Stamos]

There shouldn't be any points discount. Priority access IS the benefit

The discount is built into the DVI.
Other than for matching bids, the DVI has no value, it's all arbitrary.
The discount allows to match a bid with a subsequent pick, that's the system.

The problem has been that the DVI (including the previous 20% discount) has been mis-valued. It has now been dramatically improved, and hopefully fixed.

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

The competition would be better off without st kilda. They dont add much, sulk all the time and cost millions of dollars each year to keep afloat. I’d be putting them down to the vfl and replacing them with Tassie

 

[Scotland]

Pretty likely the Suns can only match two of their four likely first round players from the academy this year. And that's is taking 3 firsts into the draft.

Maybe the system isn't so bad now.

Only. FMD. How many pick 1s do the other clubs not called West Coast have?

 

[Lions2Good]

The competition would be better off without st kilda. They dont add much, sulk all the time and cost millions of dollars each year to keep afloat. I’d be putting them down to the vfl and replacing them with Tassie

Would at least stop 80% of the academy and f/s bitching!

 

[iameviljez]

There shouldn't be any points discount. Priority access IS the benefit

This I agree with.

Besides, because of the priority access - as we saw with Daicos and Darcy - clubs don't tend to actually pick the F/S picks at number one.

But yeah - if you know that you have priority access to a talented kid, you are giving him every privilege and support from a young age to make it. That's unique in the AFL.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Only. FMD. How many pick 1s do the other clubs not called West Coast have?

Club's not called West Coast? I dunno, most of them?

 

[Scotland]

The discount is built into the DVI.
Other than for matching bids, the DVI has no value, it's all arbitrary.
The discount allows to match a bid with a subsequent pick, that's the system.

The problem has been that the DVI (including the previous 20% discount) has been mis-valued. It has now been dramatically improved, and hopefully fixed.

Pick trades happen.

We traded pick 3 for 9 and 14 in 2022. Was officially 2 for 8 and 12 but two F/S picks skewed the order. Given we specifically wanted two WA players it made sense for all parties. We rejected multiple firsts for pick 1 in 2023 because of Harley Reid. Etc.

On points we came out ~400 ahead in the old money and ~200 in the new. Ignoring the relative strength draft to draft if you want to bring in a top 5 pick it is going to cost you multiple firsts.

Where I think the system still falls down is declining value of picks. Pick 2 might be worth 8 and 12, but it's not worth, 18, 19. 20. We have (in theory) pick 19 this year. That might be worth 25 and 30, it's not worth 36, 37, 38. When Port wanted Rozee they traded 11, 23, 30 to get 6 then 6 and 35 to get 5 (and Mayes if he had value). That's the real market of chasing top 5 picks.

IMO halving every 5 picks is closer to real value. Two 5s = 1, two 10s = 5, two 15s = 10.

Pick 1 = 3000
Pick 5 = 1500
Pick 10 = 750
Pick 15 = 375

As it is today, two 7s = 1, two 19s = 5, two 23s = 10, two 30s = 15. It's whack.

 

[Scotland]

Club's not called West Coast? I dunno, most of them?

In this year's draft?

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

In this year's draft?

I'm lost sorry.

My point was the Suns currently hold 3 first round picks, but will probably only be able to match 2 of their academy players in the first round.

Suggesting the new points system will make it harder to match.

 

[Scotland]

I'm lost sorry.

My point was the Suns currently hold 3 first round picks, but will probably only be able to match 2 of their academy players in the first round.

Suggesting the new points system will make it harder to match.

When your perspective is that a team which will most likely finish in the top 8 can "only" recruit two players in the top 5-10 this draft you might need to have a think about why people are angry at the system that is in place.

 

[MPMonkeys]

This years draft will finally be the straw that breaks the camels back. The premiership teams pick 18 will be a pick in the 30s. That will have to force change.

Not if you are Brisbane or Gold Coast.
They have 3 of the best 5 kids.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Have you even looked at the new system? GC can only match a max of 2 this first round. Every northern side is paying more this year that’s fair. How about we wait and see it implemented first and then we can fix the stuff that may need to be fixed

Saying the 'first round' is completely disingenuous.

Two first round picks could be picks 19 and 20 or it could be picks 1 and 2.
There is a massive, massive difference between getting two players ranked in the top 5 in comparison to getting two players in the teens.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

When your perspective is that a team which will most likely finish in the top 8 can "only" recruit two players in the top 5-10 this draft you might need to have a think about why people are angry at the system that is in place.

I'm not really that bothered if people are angry. Those people should maybe take a broader perspective and see the reasons for the academy system being as it is currently.

BTW, I agree with those saying there should be no discount. I'd also limit it to one match in the first round per year (and group academy/NGA/FS together in that).

I'd also happily scrap the whole system if the AFL evened up the issues the non-Vic teams face, but that's not going to happen.

 

[MPMonkeys]

I'm not really that bothered if people are angry. Those people should maybe take a broader perspective and see the reasons for the academy system being as it is currently.

BTW, I agree with those saying there should be no discount. I'd also limit it to one match in the first round per year (and group academy/NGA/FS together in that).

I'd also happily scrap the whole system if the AFL evened up the issues the non-Vic teams face, but that's not going to happen.

That is reasonable.

 

[Stamos]

Pick trades happen.

Yes, they do.
But unless it's a team trading for more points to match FS/NGA/Academy bids, then they are traded on how the clubs value the actual specific picks, or, in the case of live trading, the specific player available.
If you're not trading for points, then points don't come into your calculations.

Where I think the system still falls down is declining value of picks. Pick 2 might be worth 8 and 12, but it's not worth, 18, 19. 20. We have (in theory) pick 19 this year. That might be worth 25 and 30, it's not worth 36, 37, 38. When Port wanted Rozee they traded 11, 23, 30 to get 6 then 6 and 35 to get 5 (and Mayes if he had value). That's the real market of chasing top 5 picks.

IMO halving every 5 picks is closer to real value. Two 5s = 1, two 10s = 5, two 15s = 10.

Pick 1 = 3000
Pick 5 = 1500
Pick 10 = 750
Pick 15 = 375

As it is today, two 7s = 1, two 19s = 5, two 23s = 10, two 30s = 15. It's whack.

This is completely arbitrary though.
And the true value of a draft pick varies every year depending on the player/s available.

The AFL tried to calculate the value of picks based on historical trades, and completely botched it.
And now, with a decade of evidence, they've dramatically changed the scale and made it a lot fairer.
Whether it will need to be further improved, who knows?