News AFL overhauls Academy and FS bid matching, discussing draft lockout

[Tom14]

Its about keeping a level playing field.

The players have far too much power at the moment. Clubs are getting stitched up apart from a handful at the top.

There needs to be a middle ground reached.

That's a nice thought.

But why should the players association agree to it though? Free agency is something they were bargaining to get for a really long time.

They don't make decisions with the best interests of competitive balance in mind, they should make decisions based upon what is best for their members.

 

[Choogler]

The pattern longer term doesn’t suggest that at all.

Prior to Daicos and Darcy the father sons weren’t that great in prior years but of course you ignore that

You also seem to be misunderstanding my point regarding Daicos. The Pies finished third last that year. They traded away said pick knowing they had Daicos. But if father son didn’t exist they still would have got Callaghan or JHF, so it’s a rubbish example of the rich getting richer.

What you failed to mention was that in addition to getting Daicos, the Pies trading away that Pick gained them an advantage elsewhere either in earlier, current or later drafts. It may have been players, or picks but a club doesn't trade away a first rounder for no benefit,

It is basically double dipping and is why the starting point for any bid matching must be changed to a pick in the round a bid comes. First round bid, first round pick (plus points) required to match

advocating the bottom 4 teams just continually get preference over a team that has a bad year is even more rubbish.

So a team like North gets all pick preference for being shockingly run whilst a team like Richmond has to wait multiple years before getting first access? What kind of BS is that?

I'm an advocate for FS, Northern academies and NGA Academies as long as full price is paid (no discounts), and matching bids starts with a pick in the round in which the bid comes. Having exclusive access is the discount. It seems a very straight forward and easy fix.

 

[HBFlanker]

That's a nice thought.

But why should the players association agree to it though? Free agency is something they were bargaining to get for a really long time.

They don't make decisions with the best interests of competitive balance in mind, they should make decisions based upon what is best for their members.

Im not really concerned with the players association, and neither should the league be.

They have shown significant incompetency when it comes to the massive concussion issues at the moment so until they offer any value they are the least important stakeholder.

They got their free agency. It's just broken and needs to be fixed.

 

[Choogler]

You do realise that West Coast entered into a league that was established by St Kilda and one of the ongoing obligations of the leagues is to protect the interests of its existing clubs?

Be grateful that St Kilda let you into the league and be allowed to dominate a larger population.

"Let us into the league" Oh my, my, my! You really don't have any effin' idea do you. Read this and then tell me again how thankful WC & BB should be that we were "let into the league".

As for "the ongoing obligations of the leagues is to protect the interests of its existing clubs?", tell that to Fitzroy.. they willingly sacrificed Fitzroy by refusing to provide "prop-up" funding and yet here we are almost 3 decades later and the AFL continues to prop-up 4 Melbourne based clubs... WB, StK, NM and Melbourne. Why, what has made them such protected species that the AFL refuses to allow them to die a natural death like Fitzroy? The "ongoing obligations" seem to have been highly selective in their application.

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[Choogler]

Without the expansion of the comp nationally and WCE of the world the VFL would have been bankrupt a long long time ago. You’re welcome. Now you don’t have to tin rattle and bake sale, as much.

The self-entitlement of the Vics is palpable.

 

[banzai]

Simple solution to the Free agency circus at the moment.

If you finish top 4 you can't bring in a free agent that year.

I cannot believe this hasn't been introduced yet.

The games about premierships though, not finishing top 4, why punish teams close to a flag that dont win it?

Just get rid of compo, then the bottom teams should always have enough money to match the bids from the very top teams and force a trade.

 

[banzai]

 

[Supersuns]

Complete overcorrection from the AFL. Just drop the discount and make a pick inside 10 of the bids required. Everyone can agree that's fair.

 

[banzai]

Complete overcorrection from the AFL. Just drop the discount and make a pick inside 10 of the bids required. Everyone can agree that's fair.

So you can match with just one pick inside 10? Thats still a massive discount. Should be 1 inside 10 and another inside 20 of where the bid is placed.

 

[Lach72]

Yeah the AFL can go **** themselves in the arse.

30 years and we’ve never benefited from Father son and nowhere going to **** us and we’ll lose access to Robinson. **** off

 

[Supersuns]

So you can match with just one pick inside 10? Thats still a massive discount. Should be 1 inside 10 and another inside 20 of where the bid is placed.

No you must have at least 1 pick within 10 of the bid, plus the rest of the points. Needs to be a fair price paid.

 

[Elixuh]

Yeah the AFL can go **** themselves in the arse.

30 years and we’ve never benefited from Father son and nowhere going to ** us and we’ll lose access to Robinson. ** off

Wot?

Your club is one of the three who have principally been campaigning for this.

 

[Lach72]

Wot?

Your club is one of the three who have principally been campaigning for this.

Simon Garlick is a moron

 

[banzai]

Yeah the AFL can go **** themselves in the arse.

30 years and we’ve never benefited from Father son and nowhere going to ** us and we’ll lose access to Robinson. ** off

Its said that st Kilda, Freo and Geelong have been the teams pushing hardest for these changes.

 

[Elixuh]

Carlton missing out on their pick 1 FS

 

[Lach72]

If Pav and Mundy’s boys are any good and they end up elsewhere I’ll spew.

This entrenches the benefits of those clubs who already have or have had Father sons

 

[Lach72]

Its said that st Kilda, Freo and Geelong have been the teams pushing hardest for these changes.

Geelong I understand as they’ve already benefited over the last 20 years and multiple premierships, and they can rort the system in other ways

 

[Elixuh]

If Pav and Mundy’s boys are any good and they end up elsewhere I’ll spew.

This entrenches the benefits of those clubs who already have or have had Father sons

The three main agitators are Freo, st Kilda and Geelong.

Geelong is smart and cunning and realise they’ve benefited, are now not benefiting and have other advantages.

Freo and st Kilda - excuse my French - are just dumb as dogshit.

 

[Lach72]

The three main agitators are Freo, st Kilda and Geelong.

Geelong is smart and cunning and realise they’ve benefited, are now not benefiting and have other advantages.

Freo and st Kilda - excuse my French - are just dumb as dogshit.

I agree. Simon Garlick should shut his ****ing mouth on this issue

 

[Lach72]

Should be something like those who already have benefited cannot take anymore.

We’ve got Ashcrofts and Daicos’ and Crofts etc for the next 15 years and now those who’ve never had a father son on that level can eat shit.

**** that

 

[Elixuh]

Should be something like those who already have benefited cannot take anymore.

We’ve got Ashcrofts and Daicos’ and Crofts etc for the next 15 years and now those who’ve never had a father son on that level can eat shit.

**** that

Write to you club and express your displeasure.

 

[Altum Volantes]

If Pav and Mundy’s boys are any good and they end up elsewhere I’ll spew.

This entrenches the benefits of those clubs who already have or have had Father sons

Pav's boys will be available to Sydney via their Academy won't they?

Ala The Lizard?

Would hate to see the family split up like that.

 

[Coach_Required]

Yeah the AFL can go **** themselves in the arse.

30 years and we’ve never benefited from Father son and nowhere going to ** us and we’ll lose access to Robinson. ** off

Your club is one of a few pushing it lol

 

[Lach72]

Your club is one of a few pushing it lol

I know. Garlick can **** off

 

[El_Scorcho]

Surely a change like that needs to be set for some date several years in the future so clubs aren't losing access to players they've developed for several years, and can wrap up NGA programs