AFL Round 18 Coll v Suns Postmatch Discussion -Toasts - Roasts

[Subtemperate]

I feel the reason Maxwell won't get dropped.... because he's the only general we have in defense. With our team its what they do without the ball that makes the most impact, and both Shaw and Maxwell mean the most to our defense as they organise everyone else. Maxwells one on one defense however has been lacking.

The second half felt like a chore to watch.... But I thought Davis, Pendles, Thomas and Ball were our best. Liked what I saw from Keefe.

THought there were many negatives.... Blair taking to much on himself... Buckley chosing wrong options.... But as long as we keep winning I hope the players coming into the team will help solve some of the issues....

 

[Pie 4 Life]

The commentary in the 2nd half was some of the worst barracking I've ever heard.

Russell and Dunstall (worst sideline caller in the game bar none) were both rubbish. Just call the game you peanuts. Even though we were in front by plenty, it was irritating to listen too.

I thought Cam Wood was really good in the 1st half. Only OK in the 2nd.

Pretty ordinary 2nd half but happy for a win and hopefully no serious injuries.

Daisys' looked like a cork, what happened to Johnno?

16 from last 19 interstate games.

This. First time I have ever muted a football game I was that sick of it.

 

[Williamc99]

Davis is playing as if he's been playing Defence his whole career. He has suited so well down there and I'd love for him to make it to the Grand Final and have an amazing game for once. He deserves it. Also great seeing Ben Johnson back. One of my favourite players. Like you said, Swooop, we just need Didak back to his best. That'd do the world of good.

 

[PieBeast]

Caff getting through the game unscathed was another positive
Slightly rusty but ran the game out well I thought.

 

[Pie eyed]

On topic im arguing Maxwell is a better player then goldsack which he is.

Agree.
Guess I'm just a fan-boi though like Mick and Bucks.
I knew we should have pissed MM off and grabbed one of the Scotts.

Were has it got us, this blatant favouritism?

It seems the same crew knocking Maxwell, coming out of the Collingwood-work. The same crew who were calling for MM's head even in 2010.

Opinions are fine, but when the results fly in the face of the opinion it's time to at least temper the assault.
Maxwell's been down but many are amplifying the magnitude of the "slump" while at the same time ignoring contibuting factors, such as a rupture kidney/liver (can't recall), some could infer to bolster their personal feelings toward the bloke.
Quite possibly he is getting the nod in the cases where there's a 1% difference between him and another option, but that is not the least because of his leadership, contibution to the side and the fact.....he's a bloody good captain, who quite recently lead the side to a flag.

I reckon he's entitle to a little leeway.
Didak had plenty and had been down, only injury eventually taking it's toll.
Harry was a bit off the pace early too.

Claims that Maxwell has been attrocious in all but 2 matches are simply self gratifying BS.

One thing I'm glad of though is we have no DNine-esque wrist slashing posters anymore.

 

[Shade]

Caff getting through the game unscathed was another positive
Slightly rusty but ran the game out well I thought.

Sorry but straight back to the VFL for brent

 

[Subtemperate]

...Oh and two things.

Highlight of the amazing commentary had to be the reaction of the commentary team to Dwayne russell when goldsack marked the ball in the forward fifty and came out with "There was some mail saying Goldsack would float forward"..... Dead silence.

And why do people talk about Daisy and the brownlow? In the herald sun they call him a brownlow hopeful....

 

[danielnajdek]

Daisy can't win the brownlow anyways cause he has been suspended.

Dwayne shouldn't try to be funny cause quite clearly he isn't

 

[Pie eyed]

Anyway...apart from sticking up for Maxy.....

What I was going to say was...

I think MM saw the half time score in the Carltoon/Dons stoush and told the boys to stick the cue in the rack as he thought the Dons were showing a bit and we'd be needing plenty of petrol for next week.
Needless to say he probably regrets the call now and we could have had another 10 point percentage.

Could be simply halucinating though. No coach would ever consider such a move....would they?

 

[PieBeast]

Agree.
Guess I'm just a fan-boi though like Mick and Bucks.
I knew we should have pissed MM off and grabbed one of the Scotts.

Were has it got us, this blatant favouritism?

It seems the same crew knocking Maxwell, coming out of the Collingwood-work. The same crew who were calling for MM's head even in 2010.

Opinions are fine, but when the results fly in the face of the opinion it's time to at least temper the assault.
Maxwell's been down but many are amplifying the magnitude of the "slump" while at the same time ignoring contibuting factors, such as a rupture kidney/liver (can't recall), some could infer to bolster their personal feelings toward the bloke.
Quite possibly he is getting the nod in the cases where there's a 1% difference between him and another option, but that is not the least because of his leadership, contibution to the side and the fact.....he's a bloody good captain, who quite recently lead the side to a flag.

I reckon he's entitle to a little leeway.
Didak had plenty and had been down, only injury eventually taking it's toll.
Harry was a bit off the pace early too.

Claims that Maxwell has been attrocious in all but 2 matches are simply self gratifying BS.

One thing I'm glad of though is we have no DNine-esque wrist slashing posters anymore.

He's been afforded more than a little bit of leeway considering we've carried him for the whole year.
I could get involved in a long-winded debate with you disputing every bit of your "Maxwell is a gawd cause he's a premiership captain" diatribe but I wont.
Fact is he wouldn't be getting a game right now if he wasn't a captain not just for us but for half the sides in the league.
I've made my opinion clear on the matter and until I see someone respond with a facts based post instead of a fluffy party line propaganda I'll stick to it.

Sorry but straight back to the VFL for brent

Well he didn't set the world on fire but I just don't want him to turn into another Goldsack who keeps getting dropped and being brought back into the side hence not getting any continuity in his game. The season is nearly over and he is a vital member of our side when in full flight.

 

[jefffff34]

Why would anyone be critical of a nine goal interstate victory against a side coming off a win, especially since we were missing Didak, Jolly, Wellingham, Dawes, Toovey and Shaw (not to mention Brown). That's a third of a Premiership side missing right there, and we are smashing teams.

 

[Pie eyed]

Why would anyone be critical of a nine goal interstate victory against a side coming off a win, especially since we were missing Didak, Jolly, Wellingham, Dawes, Toovey and Shaw (not to mention Brown). That's a third of a Premiership side missing right there, and we are smashing teams.

Shhhhhhhh!
We're in meltdown.

 

[PieBeast]

Shhhhhhhh!
We're in meltdown.

Yeah mate I've noticed, your post was exactly that.

 

[Pie eyed]

Yeah mate I've noticed, your post was exactly that.

All in good humour my dear Beast.
You know that this time last year we were blaming Mick for bad games against poor opposition, although we were winning by a point and this time the year before we were calling for Mick's head and Maxwells.
Toovey was to be delisted, Harry was a gormless hack and Cloke needed to be moved on. JA was a hero. It's bizarro world on here sometimes.
There are numerous other examples of threads going off half cocked.

 

[loki04]

He's been afforded more than a little bit of leeway considering we've carried him for the whole year.
I could get involved in a long-winded debate with you disputing every bit of your "Maxwell is a gawd cause he's a premiership captain" diatribe but I wont.
Fact is he wouldn't be getting a game right now if he wasn't a captain not just for us but for half the sides in the league.
I've made my opinion clear on the matter and until I see someone respond with a facts based post instead of a fluffy party line propaganda I'll stick to it.

Well he didn't set the world on fire but I just don't want him to turn into another Goldsack who keeps getting dropped and being brought back into the side hence not getting any continuity in his game. The season is nearly over and he is a vital member of our side when in full flight.

Why bother? Maxwell is the superstar that plays well week in week out and anyone who suggests otherwise or that another may play his role as well (because he hasn't actually been playing well for a LONG time) doesn't know anything.

We know he wont be dropped but on form he should be. Goldsack may not be a gun but he is capable of holding down the HBF while a certain someone gains form in the 2nds.

Even if it wont eventuate due to the captaincy, it is a relevant discussion point shits me to tears how sensitive some of you are over him.

 

[loki04]

No he's a gun tysons mother has told us

Umad bro?

White knight defender of all things Maxwell.

 

[Jesus Baulks]

Fact is he wouldn't be getting a game right now if he wasn't a captain not just for us but for half the sides in the league.

Yeah right, he'd be getting pushed out by Tom Gordon or one of the other super star defenders we have at VFL level

Or by 'right now', do you mean the last few weeks. Well then yeah, his spot would definitely be claimed by Goldsack on the back of the 6 goals he had kicked on him at VFL level a couple of weeks back and his dominant performance last time he played AFL against Sydney. Only had 4 goals kicked on him that night, much better than Maxwell would've done.

 

[Pie eyed]

Why bother? Maxwell is the superstar that plays well week in week out and anyone who suggests otherwise or that another may play his role as well (because he hasn't actually been playing well for a LONG time) doesn't know anything.

We know he wont be dropped but on form he should be. Goldsack may not be a gun but he is capable of holding down the HBF while a certain someone gains form in the 2nds.

Even if it wont eventuate due to the captaincy, it is a relevant discussion point shits me to tears how sensitive some of you are over him.

Geez loki, you jump up and down like you're not being allowed to express your opinion?
I seem to have read it all over the ****in place of late.
What's the problem?
Do you think you have some right to have the only opinion?


****!

I don't agree, doesn't matter how you wrap it up. If you want to know why, read the dozens of replies to you and others in 2010, 2009 and 2008 when you posted the same opinion.

You don't rate Maxwell. No probs, we get it.

Your'e right he won't be dropped.

 

[loki04]

Yeah right, he'd be getting pushed out by Tom Gordon or one of the other super star defenders we have at VFL level

Or by 'right now', do you mean the last few weeks. Well then yeah, his spot would definitely be claimed by Goldsack on the back of the 6 goals he had kicked on him at VFL level a couple of weeks back and his dominant performance last time he played AFL against Sydney. Only had 4 goals kicked on him that night, much better than Maxwell would've done.

Unfortunately for Goldsack he doesn't get the luxury of being hidden as a loose man in the backline with an elite midfield controlling play for most the game.

 

[loki04]

Geez loki, you jump and down like you're not being allowed to express your opinion?
I seem to have read it all over the ****in place of late.
What's the problem?
Do you think you have some right to have the only opinion?


****!

I don't agree, doesn't matter how you wrap it up. If you want to know why, read the dozens of replies to you and others in 2010, 2009 and 2008 when you posted the same opinion.

You don't rate Maxwell. No probs, we get it.

Your'e right he won't be dropped.

Jump up and down? You mean I don't gloss his performances because he is captain or that I reply snide remarks from certain people in kind?

Also I get that you rate him but you don't always have to be blind to his faults and shoot down everyone who voices there discern over his form.

 

[PieBeast]

All in good humour my dear Beast.
You know that this time last year we were blaming Mick for bad games against poor opposition, although we were winning by a point and this time the year before we were calling for Mick's head and Maxwells.
Toovey was to be delisted, Harry was a gormless hack and Cloke needed to be moved on. JA was a hero. It's bizarro world on here sometimes.
There are numerous other examples of threads going off half cocked.

All good mate
Out of the things you mention I'll admit to wanting Malthouse gone in '09, maybe thats why I'm such a keen subscriber to a theory we wouldn't have won the Flag if the succession plan deal wasn't put in action....
Like I said before I do understand that dropping Maxy would disrupt team harmony but it's not like we can't come up with some lame injury excuse. And to drop or not to drop isn't even my main point, it's simply irks me when posters blindly defend him by saying "he's better than Sack" (who's clearly a borderline best 22 player), when this happens it pretty obvious Maxy's form hasn't been up to scratch. He had a very start to last year too but came good towards the finals, lets hope the history repeats itself.

Call me weird but I simply believe our side is too talented to have him as a Captain and I can't envisage him holding on to that title beyond 2012

Why bother? Maxwell is the superstar that plays well week in week out and anyone who suggests otherwise or that another may play his role as well (because he hasn't actually been playing well for a LONG time) doesn't know anything.

We know he wont be dropped but on form he should be. Goldsack may not be a gun but he is capable of holding down the HBF while a certain someone gains form in the 2nds.

Even if it wont eventuate due to the captaincy, it is a relevant discussion point shits me to tears how sensitive some of you are over him.

Yep, I haven't seen anything derogatory posted ITT towards Maxy.
If people could learn to differentiate between disrespect and fair criticism we would have a much more reasonable discussion.

 

[Pie eyed]

Jump up and down? You mean I don't gloss his performances because he is captain or that I reply snide remarks from certain people in kind?

Also I get that you rate him but you don't always have to be blind to his faults and shoot down everyone who voices there discern over his form.

Who am I shooting down?
I put my opinion.
I am not blind to his faults. They are there to be seen.
I simply don't agree that a) they are that bad he should be dropped and b) there is another player who will fill his spot and provide the same leadership.
Pretty straight forward really.
You'll no doubt have some names, but I won't agree with them either.
That's just the way it is.

 

[Jesus Baulks]

Unfortunately for Goldsack he doesn't get the luxury of being hidden as a loose man in the backline with an elite midfield controlling play for most the game.

It is unfortunate for him, not really a convincing argument though is it? You are potting Maxwell for his inability to play 1v1, but Goldsack had 6 kicked on him at VFL level a week or two back. So we should replace Maxwell with someone who is performing arguably worse at a lower level?

Okay...

 

[Pie eyed]

All good mate
Out of the things you mention I'll admit to wanting Malthouse gone in '09, maybe thats why I'm such a keen subscriber to a theory we wouldn't have won the Flag if the succession plan deal wasn't put in action....
Like I said before I do understand that dropping Maxy would disrupt team harmony but it's not like we can't come up with some lame injury excuse. And to drop or not to drop isn't even my main point, it's simply irks me when posters blindly defend him by saying "he's better than Sack" (who's clearly a borderline best 22 player), when this happens it pretty obvious Maxy's form hasn't been up to scratch. He had a very start to last year too but came good towards the finals, lets hope the history repeats itself.

Call me weird but I simply believe our side is too talented to have him as a Captain and I can't envisage him holding on to that title beyond 2012


Yep, I haven't seen anything derogatory posted ITT towards Maxy.
If people could learn to differentiate between disrespect and fair criticism we would have a much more reasonable discussion.

I was not actually having a dig at any poster there, merely pointing out that some pretty firmly held opinions, thouroughly argued and backed have been way off the mark as the reality of the situation has unfolded.

 

[PieBeast]

Yeah right, he'd be getting pushed out by Tom Gordon or one of the other super star defenders we have at VFL level

Or by 'right now', do you mean the last few weeks. Well then yeah, his spot would definitely be claimed by Goldsack on the back of the 6 goals he had kicked on him at VFL level a couple of weeks back and his dominant performance last time he played AFL against Sydney. Only had 4 goals kicked on him that night, much better than Maxwell would've done.

Settle done mate, Maxy has been directly responsible for conceding at least 2 goals for the last 3 weeks. His form has been laughable all year and most of the last.
Just cause we don't have anyone to replace him with doesn't mean he's been in good formand shouldn't be subjected to critiucism.
I'll tell you something quietly, people are laughing at him being our Captain and I agree with them.