Game Day AFL Round 19 - Collingwood vs Port Adelaide Matchday Discussion (MCG - 4.40pm)

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2014 AFL PREMIERSHIP SEASON
ROUND 19
COLLINGWOOD vs PORT ADELAIDE
SUNDAY 3RD AUGUST
M.C.G. 4.40PM


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“It's like a Grand Final” were the words spoken by Collingwood forward Travis Cloke when asked how important this coming game is for the Magpies. Collingwood has been in free fall, losing 5 of their last 6 games and for the first time in 9 seasons they could miss out on playing finals. This coming weekend they face the most vital game of their season as they welcome Port Adelaide to the MCG. The Magpies sit in 9th spot after yet another loss, this time to the Adelaide Crows on Sunday, while Port sit in 5th, also not in great form after a stunning first half of the season. The Power for a while found themselves on top of the ladder and at one point it looked like they might secure a top 2 spot. Something changed though and with 4 losses in their last 6 games they've slipped out of the top 4 and now have a fight on their hands just to get a home final. Port will see this game as a chance to get back into top form while for the Magpies it's one last chance to keep a fading season alive. Of course these two clubs do have history of playing in big games with the 2002 Qualifying final, the 2003 preliminary final and last year's elimination final creating a fair rivalry. The Pies won the first two of those finals but it was the Power who ended the Magpies season in spectacular fashion last year, also at the MCG. It would be kind of ironic if Port were to be once again the side that ended the Magpies hopes and dreams.


COLLINGWOOD PREVIEW

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It seemed to be all going so well for Collingwood, sitting fourth on the ladder with an 8-3 win/loss record after 11 games. Since then though almost nothing has gone to plan, with only one win in the last 6 games dropping the Magpies outside the top 8 for the first time since round 4. It leaves the Magpies on the precipice of that top 8 and a real chance of ending their finals qualifying streak at 8 seasons.

So what's gone wrong? Some will bring injuries up as an excuse and that may be a valid point, but the Pies had injuries in the first half of the season yet were still winning games. The draw has got a little harder but when you have losses to sides like the Bulldogs and the Suns the draw can't be used as an excuse really. The closest to an answer is that the midfield and backline have simply failed under the pressure of a long season and continued injuries. The Magpie backline is now almost completely void of experience, with Nick Maxwell retired and Nathan Brown out for the year with an injury, the only experience left was Alan Toovey and Heritier Lumumba and Toovey missed the last loss against the Crows anyway. It's left the task to the likes of Frost, Keeffe, Williams, Langdon and Young and quite simply they are struggling. The midfield, despite some star studded players, hasn't been performing that well either, with the Magpies now ranked 16th for clearances and centre clearances. The loss of Dane Swan has hurt this and Luke Ball has also struggled in recent times. There seems to be no short term fix in either area so the Pies have to just endure now and somehow turn it around against Port this weekend.

At selection Collingwood sprung a surprise giving ex Swan and Crow Tony Armstrong his first game as a Collingwood player. Armstrong has improved dramatically in the VFL the last few weeks and really has earned a chance. Also returning is Alex Fasolo and Sam Dwyer who played in the VFL last weekend also. Out goes Paul Seedsman with an abductor injury, with Clinton Young and Ben Kennedy omitted. It’s not the strongest side Collingwood has fielded this year and it’s a very young one but the Pies will put up a fight.


OPPOSITION ANALYSIS

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Port Adelaide started the year in sensational fashion continuing on from their impressive end to the 2013 season. In fact after 12 rounds Port found themselves two games clear on top of the ladder and a top 4 spot, and maybe even premiership contention looked a possibility. Since then though, not unlike Collingwood, it's all fallen apart with only two wins in their last six games dropping them outside the top four for the first time in season 2014. Some have blamed this downturn in form on a heavy training load but maybe it's got more to do with a young team struggling to cope with the pressure and intensity that comes with a long AFL season. The bye will no doubt have helped in this regard and if the Power can regain their top form they will be a very tough opponent for Collingwood indeed.

The Power midfield is strong and very effective, in fact it's in the top 6 in the league for clearances, centre clearances and contested possessions, and that's even after a drop in form. It's no shock that this midfield grouping works well together too when you see the names that are involved in it. Leading from the front is Travis Boak but he's ably assisted by Kane Cornes, Ollie Wines, Robbie Gray, Brad Ebert, Hamish Hartlett and Jared Polec. The ruck is also an area in the middle that Port will look to exploit Collingwood with the Pies ranked 3rd last for hitouts, although the Power are down to one recognised ruck in Matthew Lobbe due to injury. Lobbe will go up against Jarrod Witts in a battle that will be important to the outcome of the game. Port will be confident of winning the midfield contests, they have to really if they are going to win this game.

Port has struggled to put a big score on the board during their recent form slump with only Jay Schulz continuing the early season form that saw the Power forward line look like one of the most dangerous in the AFL. Schulz is fighting Lance Franklin for the Coleman medal now it seems, but he is lacking support. Chad Wingard's form has dropped off a bit and the assistance from the midfield in scoring has also dried up. Justin Westhoff was in good form also but he's been forced to play the secondary ruck role recently and just like Jesse White for the Pies it's restricted his influence on the scoreboard. The Power do run into a Magpie backline though that is struggling, giving up on average 24 more points in the last 6 games than it was in the first 11. The probable return of Angus Monfries will be a boost to the inconsistent Port forward line though and if he plays he may be just that one player too many for the Pies defense to cover.

The Power backline is unheralded and under rated by many but it gets the job done. Port rank 5th for points conceded and if not for the recent 126 total let through against Richmond they would rank even higher. In fact that was the first time this season that anyone had scored 100 points against this backline. The three main talls in defense are Carlile, Hombsch and O'Shea and together they have done a great job so far this season. Port also don't lack for run out of defense with the likes of Pittard, Jonas, Polec, Impey and the defensive midfield mindset giving the Power one of the better rebounding setups in the AFL. They run into a Collingwood forward line that has looked disjointed all year and even though they now have Reid, Cloke and Elliott together for the first time this season it still isn't the most threatening attack in the AFL. The Power will back themselves to restrict the Pies forward line to a low enough score to ensure that they come away with the win here.

When you look at the probably Port line-up on paper it's obvious why they were once on top of the ladder and looked like a genuine premiership contender. What isn't so obvious is why they've dropped form so sharply with injuries not really playing a massive part. There is little doubt that the bye will help there though with Carlile and Monfries likely to return and Trengove only a few weeks away. If the Power still have hopes of finishing in a top 4 position they need to win a game like this against a struggling Magpies outfit.


TEAMS

Collingwood
B:
Marley Williams, Jack Frost, Tyson Goldsack
HB: Tom Langdon, Lachlan Keeffe, Heritier Lumumba
C: Steele Sidebottom, Brent Macaffer, Alex Fasolo
HF: Taylor Adams, Jesse White, Tim Broomhead
F: Jamie Elliott, Travis Cloke, Ben Reid
Foll: Jarrod Witts, Dayne Beams, Scott Pendlebury
Int: Sam Dwyer, Jarryd Blair, Tony Armstrong, Kyle Martin
Emg: Brodie Grundy, Ben Kennedy, Clinton Young

IN: Tony Armstrong, Sam Dwyer, Alex Fasolo
OUT: Paul Seedsman (adductor), Ben Kennedy, Clinton Young (omitted)
NEW: Tony Armstrong (24, Sydney)

B Jarman Impey, Alipate Carlile, Tom Jonas.
HB Matthew Broadbent, Jack Hombsch, Jasper Pittard
C Jared Polec, Ollie Wines, Hamish Hartlett
HF Robbie Gray, Justin Westhoff, Angus Monfries.
F Paul Stewart, Jay Schulz, Chad Wingard.
Fol Matthew Lobbe, Travis Boak, Brad Ebert.
I/C Cam O'Shea, Benjamin Newton, Kane Cornes, Andrew Moore
EMG Jake Neade, Karl Amon, Kane Mitchell
In Alipate Carlile, Angus Monfries, Andrew Moore
Out Matt White (groin), Dom Cassisi (retired), Aaron Young (foot)


TIP

On form there's not a lot separating these two teams with both right in the middle of massive form slumps. Both teams though are likely to get key players back from injury which may see a sharp improvement in form. The final between these two last year was hotly contested right up until the last few minutes and you'd expect this game to be the same. I can't see either side running away with a big win and it's certain the Pies will fight this one out to the end given it really is their last chance.

I think that desperation and an extra week under Reid and Elliott's feet will see the Pies win a close game and keep their season alive.


PIES BY 8 POINTS.


THANKS MAXY

Before the game at 4.10pm, Collingwood premiership captain Nick Maxwell will partake in his farewell lap of honour. BE THERE to see off a legend.
 
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Well I have come around a little bit from start of the Week but I just Struggle to see us winning.

Port by 30

Just hope the Boys saw the VFL Win and that Inspires Them
 

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Only way we win this game is if Port are off their game.

Let's face it we are playing a top four contender and while they have dropped form talent wise they have more than us in the 22's named tomorrow.

That doesn't mean we can't win though, St Kilda beat Freo a few weeks back and look at them?

Anything is possible, we just need to play hard for four quarters and be a little smarter and we may steal this game and move to 7th.
 
Only way we win this game is if Port are off their game.

Let's face it we are playing a top four contender and while they have dropped form talent wise they have more than us in the 22's named tomorrow.

That doesn't mean we can't win though, St Kilda beat Freo a few weeks back and look at them?

Anything is possible, we just need to play hard for four quarters and be a little smarter and we may steal this game and move to 7th.

We need to almost play the Best footy we have all year to win this game.

Port are as you say the Better Side and we are Lucky we have not played them Earlier in the Season
 
Can we win? Yes
Will we win? Unlikely
The problem is that teams who are in bad form always seem to get their mojo back when they play us. I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow is the game that Port regain their early season form.
I've seen it happen too many times.
 
This is literally season on the line now.

Everyone else has basically lost and given us a chance to get our spot back with games against West Coast, GWS and Brisbane to come. If we miss the 8, we have ourselves and no one else to blame now.
 

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This is literally season on the line now.

Everyone else has basically lost and given us a chance to get our spot back with games against West Coast, GWS and Brisbane to come. If we miss the 8, we have ourselves and no one else to blame now.

Finals Chance yes but we won’t win the Flag. Outside of Hawks and Swans you are making the Numbers up.

I would love to make the Finals this year but it’s not be and end all this season
 
Cloke, Reid and Elliott to kick 10 between and pies win by 2 goals in a cracking match. We've gone with some run this week with Fasolo, Dwyer and Armstrong in. Big games from Adams, Beams and Blair who are going to provide plenty of the grunt work on the inside. Pendles will do what Pendles does. He's due for an absolute monster game. Frost, Keeffe and Goldsack to be rock solid down back. Season on the line here. We'll win this.
 
I do like our finals streak and hope it continues but at the same time it's a little pointless. Sure, we make the finals every year but we're rarely contenders. I'd rather we drop out the 8 for a year or two then bounce back as a real top 4 threat.
 
I do like our finals streak and hope it continues but at the same time it's a little pointless. Sure, we make the finals every year but we're rarely contenders. I'd rather we drop out the 8 for a year or two then bounce back as a real top 4 threat.

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I do like our finals streak and hope it continues but at the same time it's a little pointless. Sure, we make the finals every year but we're rarely contenders. I'd rather we drop out the 8 for a year or two then bounce back as a real top 4 threat.

As long as we don’t have the Injuries like we have next season. We should be a Finals Team.

But maybe this year we can start as early as possible as we can for the Pre-Season and Hopefully the Team has a huge Pre-Season and we can come in a lot stronger then last season
 
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Is it really worth making the 8 only to play one more game of football than everybody else? Missing out on finals in 2014 could be exactly what the club needs...

In other news, we have a game to win and a finals streak that needs to continue. :eek::D We only need to fluke our way to a semi-final against Sydney and then we're a grand final certainty.:drunk:
 
I do like our finals streak and hope it continues but at the same time it's a little pointless. Sure, we make the finals every year but we're rarely contenders. I'd rather we drop out the 8 for a year or two then bounce back as a real top 4 threat.
There's no real correlation between slipping down one year and rebounding further up the next. There's nothing stopping us from rebounding just as far next year if we do make the eight this year - in fact I'd guess playing a final or two would make it more likely.
 
There's no real correlation between slipping down one year and rebounding further up the next. There's nothing stopping us from rebounding just as far next year if we do make the eight this year - in fact I'd guess playing a final or two would make it more likely.

Would help but I don’t think where we finish. Outside or even winning a Final. We all love to make and win the Finals but we have so many injuries.

So if we can get them back by Start of Pre-Season then we can Build during the Pre-Season to have a Real Crack next year(As long as we don’t have the Injury Bug Again)
 
I'm probably lucky that I'll be at work and will miss the game.

I'll be hoping like hell that we just pull something out of our asses. I've been crossing my fingers every week that the next game we play will be the turning point but I just keep disappointing myself. The future of our club doesn't worry me, it's just never nice to be in such poor form. I'd be happy to finish work and despite the scoreline, hear that we were competitive. The door is still wide open for finals, and I'll still keep hoping, but a competitive effort is all I ask!
 
Slipping down gives you an easier mid table draw as well as handy draft picks which is always a bonus. Somehow I don't think collingwood would get the easier draw though due to our many "blockbusters". I just don't think I'm ready to watch us get destroyed in another prelim so if we do make the 8 we better damn well make sure we win the first final.
 
Slipping down gives you an easier mid table draw as well as handy draft picks which is always a bonus. Somehow I don't think collingwood would get the easier draw though due to our many "blockbusters". I just don't think I'm ready to watch us get destroyed in another prelim so if we do make the 8 we better damn well make sure we win the first final.

Draft Pick does not matter this year with us Getting Moore with our 1st Rounder.

Though if we do miss the 8 we might get a Easier Draw for 2015 Season
 
Draft Pick does not matter this year with us Getting Moore with our 1st Rounder.

Though if we do miss the 8 we might get a Easier Draw for 2015 Season
We'll get a similar draw to this year (we finished 8th last year, in the bracket of 7-12). Our draw is never going to be favourable in terms of opponents - I'll bet right now we play Hawthorn twice again.

That should be the least of our concerns really.
 

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