All Divisions General NFNL Discussion Thread

[Observer55]

Every club has to have covid officers , online course , so what are the ramifications for those poor volunteers when they say they are accountable and have to be up to date with all updates as they happen , log training attendance, keep people apart etc etc . If covid cases appear at the club and spread because he hasn't done everything correctly, what are the legal ramifications for that person .
I for one have always helped out for 20 years but would not do that job, another reason all too hard this year to get going unfortunately.

 

[10571z]

I can attest this as a senior coach I have been approached by a couple of small groups who have asked whether they could go with mates in the VAFA. Troubling times for clubs.

The VAFA will have an array of clubs who don’t want to play.

Like I said it’s all well and good to say yes yes yes but when the league asks for 15k, you need trainers, new footballs and council bills then it becomes a lot harder.

 

[roosterslife]

You watch the exodus of players flock to VAFA or EDFL

Clubs in those 2 comps aren’t going to take on mass players from other comps. And why would players go there? They won’t be getting paid and more then likely won’t play anyway because clubs won’t want to bring in outsiders to take there already list spots. Anyway those 2 comps are as far off playing as the rest. And the transfers are open, but it’s only for players who arent signed anywhere. A mass walkout of players just simply isn’t going to happen, AFL VIC won’t allow it

 

[Doona2]

Not hard to implement a match permit scenario for ya 6-8 games and then if you’re already contracted then back you go to where u came from.

No ones gunna get this right, I’m pretty certain that unless every individual club coach, player, parent etc is contacted you’ll never get an accurate or definitive read on things .... so trying to guess or assume based on what info or narrative we all “choose” to follow can be toxic too.

Uniques times people, the game will push on at some point, and when it does people will choose if it’s for them or not.

For me, it’s the re-set local community sport needs as its become so far removed from that of late in some regions that it was gunna end badly for some anyway had it continued.

Patience is the key, remembering there’s no rules or references to history to bounce off here, and our volunteers are giving it their best at a $hit of a time in history.

 

[max mason]

Clubs in those 2 comps aren’t going to take on mass players from other comps. And why would players go there? They won’t be getting paid and more then likely won’t play anyway because clubs won’t want to bring in outsiders to take there already list spots. Anyway those 2 comps are as far off playing as the rest. And the transfers are open, but it’s only for players who arent signed anywhere. A mass walkout of players just simply isn’t going to happen, AFL VIC won’t allow it

some of the players are contracted but how would I or the club stand in there way for wanting to have a kick.

 

[Local Footy1]

If this keeps up for another 3-6mths there won’t be any businesses left to sponsor clubs.

Going to be tough on some players also who may have lost their job and will need footy money to help them pay the bills.

I don’t think anything will be the same again let alone local footy.

That's assuming we were or are happy with the " same again". The clubs or representatives of clubs are to weak to say NO. The sooner the heat is turned off at all levels, we may see volunteers return.

 

[max mason]

Every club has to have covid officers , online course , so what are the ramifications for those poor volunteers when they say they are accountable and have to be up to date with all updates as they happen , log training attendance, keep people apart etc etc . If covid cases appear at the club and spread because he hasn't done everything correctly, what are the legal ramifications for that person .
I for one have always helped out for 20 years but would not do that job, another reason all too hard this year to get going unfortunately.

My self and the other coaches have done the online course and will share the responsibility during the training stages. The president, Vice President and 2 other general committee members will share the COVID officer roles during game (of game day happens) it took about 10 minutes to read through and answer. It’s nowhere near as scary and onerous as people will have you believe. I think it would be harder with junior footy with so many coming and going all the time.

 

[max mason]

Not hard to implement a match permit scenario for ya 6-8 games and then if you’re already contracted then back you go to where u came from.

No ones gunna get this right, I’m pretty certain that unless every individual club coach, player, parent etc is contacted you’ll never get an accurate or definitive read on things .... so trying to guess or assume based on what info or narrative we all “choose” to follow can be toxic too.

Uniques times people, the game will push on at some point, and when it does people will choose if it’s for them or not.

For me, it’s the re-set local community sport needs as its become so far removed from that of late in some regions that it was gunna end badly for some anyway had it continued.

Patience is the key, remembering there’s no rules or references to history to bounce off here, and our volunteers are giving it their best at a $hit of a time in history.

I honestly think which ever way it goes there will clubs who will come out of it in poor shape. I’m happy to coach and provide a release for my playing group because i am confident In the work the club has done over the last 3-4 seasons from a revenue model. We aren’t a big club with a massive following so we have always relied upon our ability be creative with revenue streams.

The dilemma of releasing my players to play the game they love and trained for all year is hard. They have trusted me and invested in our plan and now we can’t play and am I expected to deny them that opportunity? It doesn’t sit right with me as the most important part of the coach/player relationship is trust, authenticity and integrity.

 

[Doona2]

I honestly think which ever way it goes there will clubs who will come out of it in poor shape. I’m happy to coach and provide a release for my playing group because i am confident In the work the club has done over the last 3-4 seasons from a revenue model. We aren’t a big club with a massive following so we have always relied upon our ability be creative with revenue streams.

The dilemma of releasing my players to play the game they love and trained for all year is hard. They have trusted me and invested in our plan and now we can’t play and am I expected to deny them that opportunity? It doesn’t sit right with me as the most important part of the coach/player relationship is trust, authenticity and integrity.

Tough I know, and we all want footy to push on thru this - but if they’re players of loyalty, respect and integrity in the same way you hold them then I’m sure they’d return .... and if not, well it would say more about them than yaself Max.

 

[CliffMcTainshaw]

Social events, crowds 'some way away' from returning to local sport

Community sporting clubs are not likely to be allowed to hold major fundraising events involving social gatherings any time soon, says Victoria's Minister for Sport Martin Pakula.

amp.theage.com.au

Government appears to be stepping in to support clubs

Well the community sport survival package is out.
Here is what you will get, ...... if successful in your application.
AFL Victoria - Up to $350,000
Associations or Leagues - Up to $15,000
Clubs - Up to $1,000
To be honest I don't see that amount saving a club's season.
See page 4 of the attached document for details of amounts available.
Lots of hidden details, for instance to qualify for the full $15,000 the League/Association must have a payroll bill of at least
$650,000.

 

[Keptindark]

$1000 for clubs ??? Am I reading correctly ? Just say see you in 2021

 

[NorthernBastard]

Going back to convo about players flocking to other leagues the clubs would still have to abide by player points, so it's not like you can stack with 10 blokes from somewhere all of a sudden.

 

[Rusted nuts]

Going back to convo about players flocking to other leagues the clubs would still have to abide by player points, so it's not like you can stack with 10 blokes from somewhere all of a sudden.

You can in the reserves. Blokes who are desperate to play will just be happy for a game. No matter the standard

 

[nosecondprize]

You can in the reserves. Blokes who are desperate to play will just be happy for a game. No matter the standard

Why would a club take on reserves players and screw the players they already have at the club?

 

[10571z]

Going back to convo about players flocking to other leagues the clubs would still have to abide by player points, so it's not like you can stack with 10 blokes from somewhere all of a sudden.

I honestly don’t think the majority of blokes even want to play.

 

[Rusted nuts]

Meanwhile in WA they have been approved for full training of contact sports and eased gathering restrictions to 100 with exemptions of 300 if they can be segregated. Your move Dan!

 

[saj_21]

I honestly don’t think the majority of blokes even want to play.

Small sample size, I play and coach a reserves team. I messaged the 30 or so players on my list, all of them wanted to play with only a couple not being able to commit due to work/uni. under 19s and senior groups are just as keen.

 

[Wastin time]

Small sample size, I play and coach a reserves team. I messaged the 30 or so players on my list, all of them wanted to play with only a couple not being able to commit due to work/uni. under 19s and senior groups are just as keen.

Totally agree.. The only thing that will stop resumption now (sadly) is $$$$$..
And looking at the bigger picture , I’d say cancelling the season will do ALOT more harm than good..
Some clubs will close their doors forever..

 

[nosecondprize]

Meanwhile in WA they have been approved for full training of contact sports and eased gathering restrictions to 100 with exemptions of 300 if they can be segregated. Your move Dan!

That’s not going to happen in Victoria. They have hardly any cases and we are still get 8-10 a day. I agree it’s not going away, but he would have to change his way of thinking dramatically for him to allow that. I’d say that stuff is months away

 

[roosterslife]

Totally agree.. The only thing that will stop resumption now (sadly) is $$$$$..
And looking at the bigger picture , I’d say cancelling the season will do ALOT more harm than good..
Some clubs will close their doors forever..

How will cancelling the season result in clubs closing there doors?

 

[Wastin time]

Many clubs are struggling to stay on the park as it is , can’t imagine closing the doors will help them survive..
Why will clubs who struggle with player numbers / retainment be better off next season?
Why will clubs Be better off , some have been around for 100years , if they have no $$ now ??
What if the virus , as expected by hospitals & big business , has spikes for The next 3yrs?
With restaurants , pubs , shopping centres , soccer , rugby all kicking off over next month or 2 - why is local footy such a risk??

 

[roosterslife]

Many clubs are struggling to stay on the park as it is , can’t imagine closing the doors will help them survive..
Why will clubs who struggle with player numbers / retainment be better off next season?
Why will clubs Be better off , some have been around for 100years , if they have no $$ now ??
What if the virus , as expected by hospitals & big business , has spikes for The next 3yrs?
With restaurants , pubs , shopping centres , soccer , rugby all kicking off over next month or 2 - why is local footy such a risk??

I don’t think there has ever been a risk to the 44 players playing, the issue is with the 200-300 people watching. They would need to change there tune and let bars, social rooms and canteens open if footy was to kick off. If footy started with none of these, then you are putting a nail in the coffin of many clubs.
Most clubs don’t have money in the bank, they are non profit organisations, so they work from year to year.
Speaking to a council member I think there one big worry is if just 1 person gets it during the season, then they have to virtually shut down that club, plus every club they have played against in the previous fortnight, including supporters. They would have to be all in isolation for a fortnight and there goes there income. I’d see lawsuits coming.
Unfortunately for everyone the NFNL can say yep we will restart the season and the council can say no and we are back to square one.
At least we will get an answer in a weeks time!

 

[Rusted nuts]

I don’t think there has ever been a risk to the 44 players playing, the issue is with the 200-300 people watching. They would need to change there tune and let bars, social rooms and canteens open if footy was to kick off. If footy started with none of these, then you are putting a nail in the coffin of many clubs.
Most clubs don’t have money in the bank, they are non profit organisations, so they work from year to year.
Speaking to a council member I think there one big worry is if just 1 person gets it during the season, then they have to virtually shut down that club, plus every club they have played against in the previous fortnight, including supporters. They would have to be all in isolation for a fortnight and there goes there income. I’d see lawsuits coming.
Unfortunately for everyone the NFNL can say yep we will restart the season and the council can say no and we are back to square one.
At least we will get an answer in a weeks time!

Lawsuits? Now you are being ridiculous. Have a rest Rooster! Hahah

 

[roosterslife]

Lawsuits? Now you are being ridiculous. Have a rest Rooster! Hahah

Coming from the council buddy, so yeh I’d say they know a bit more then yourself!!

 

[Doona2]

Lawsuits? Now you are being ridiculous. Have a rest Rooster! Hahah

Coming from the council buddy, so yeh I’d say they know a bit more then yourself!!

I know it’s massively different in the workplace to a volunteer ran sporting clubs but all risk assessment or management type policy needs to be thorough.

Gotta ask yaself or those signing off a worst case scenario like “what would the coroner say” or whatever level of worst case is relative to the risk.

I think thats what rooster means, there will be a new wave of loonies post Covid19 looking for anything public liability based ... we all know the types, the ones who are habitual drains on the tax payer.