All Divisions General NFNL Discussion Thread

[Kangaman4lyf]

The caps subjective and unequal regardless what it is. A club like Lalor would need to pay a player $700 compared to that same player being happy to play at a competitive club like Ivanhoe in the same division for $250-$300. Reserves grade players would end up at Lalor for $300 that wouldn’t get a go at a top div 3 club who’s higher end players might be that much.
Does this mean Lalor are cheating if they are closer or above the cap? No. They literally need to over pay to drag talent or any given player across.

 

[Kangaman4lyf]

Would have to respectfully disagree.

Clubs don't have to pay the cap, but those that want to, should they (as a club) be disadvantaged as such?

Say a guy who went to Eltham Collage but is playing for Panther is thinking of coming back to play with mates. He would be a 'top 5' for the Turtles so they may offer $350. But Panther could offer $650. That's a big difference that makes it harder for the Turtles to jump up the grades/be more competitive. So does the cap differential inadvertently serve some clubs over others?

Again, not saying I agree with the concept they suggested, but how would Div 3 clubs improve enough with a $130k differential to Div 1?

Think you’d find it’s the other way around. Eltham would be paying $350 and div 3 clubs would need to be paying $650 to drag them to a lower standard.

 

[Champ or Chump]

Think you’d find it’s the other way around. Eltham would be paying $350 and div 3 clubs would need to be paying $650 to drag them to a lower standard.

Agree Kanga - that's the point they made. They don't stand any chance to get the player as the cap significant difference between grade impedes that .

Thought it was an interesting take

 

[10571z]

Agree Kanga - that's the point they made. They don't stand any chance to get the player as the cap significant difference between grade impedes that .

Thought it was an interesting take

I mean that’s the point. Good players shouldn’t be poached to D3 with stupid contracts.

Your model with 140,30,20k

D1 $350 average
D2 $328 average
D3 $303 average

No way the averages should be close to that.

D1 standard to D3 is insanely different.

Half the D3 players shouldn’t be on more than $50-100

 

[Champ or Chump]

I mean that’s the point. Good players shouldn’t be poached to D3 with stupid contracts.

Your model with 140,30,20k

D1 $350 average
D2 $328 average
D3 $303 average

No way the averages should be close to that.

D1 standard to D3 is insanely different.

Half the D3 players shouldn’t be on more than $50-100

I agree that good players should not be poached for 'stupid money' in lower Divisons.

And I would have NFI on what players are on apart from rumours at the pub, so you may be better placed than me to have an understanding on that

But, the suggestion was that clubs face inequity (in some way) to get players to clubs just because they are in a lower level of competition. If all the better players can only get the better income based on the fact that say Eltham are in a higher grade than the Turtles .... how is that equitable and fair for the Turtles? (Example only).

I agree with Kanga that lower divisions likely need to pay more to get that sort of quality - and I'm not sure that's right.

As an example was given in the chat where a top flight club doubled what was offered to keep the player from a lower division club .... because they have more to play with in the cap due to the significant difference.

Again I'm not sure what I think is correct, but I found the point put forward interesting that's all.

 

[guest100]

I can’t agree either. Not many D3 teams would be able to afford to pay $120k, but if 2-3 could they would have a distinct advantage over those that can’t.

If a player “wants to play with mates” he knows he has to take a pay cut to do so.

 

[10571z]

Wonder why West Heidelberg turned comments off on their women’s post?

 

[NFL INSIDER]

Wonder why West Heidelberg turned comments off on their women’s post?

Considering the league and other clubs knew before the players knew

 

[Denny Crane]

or we just don't have the joke that is salary caps.

Seriously, why write posts about it like we do every year, and this argument is at most bars or games.

Simple, get rid of it, OK, maybe trail a no cap for 3 years and see what happens......Heidelberg win 5 flags.....??? Reckon it would be SFA and hard-working volunteers at clubs would be able to keep their hair.....

 

[10571z]

or we just don't have the joke that is salary caps.

Seriously, why write posts about it like we do every year, and this argument is at most bars or games.

Simple, get rid of it, OK, maybe trail a no cap for 3 years and see what happens......Heidelberg win 5 flags.....??? Reckon it would be SFA and hard-working volunteers at clubs would be able to keep their hair.....

I think it’s a good guideline for clubs and gives them some leverage in negotiations.

If you get rid of it there is no base for an argument to a player what’s fair and reasonable for a base payment.

D1 players average around $350 per player so club can say to under 19s they’ll debut on $100 for example.

Some clubs ignore it and that’s fine. But end of the day I think it still has a place

 

[billy bob 2]

Just noticed NFNL transfer lists are updated to a new format and easy to filter down. Not sure if it’s 100% live though

 

[10571z]

Just noticed NFNL transfer lists are updated to a new format and easy to filter down. Not sure if it’s 100% live though

When I search it doesn’t come up with the player?

 

[billy bob 2]

When I search it doesn’t come up with the player?

Seems to work ok for me

 

[10571z]

Seems to work ok for me

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iPhone may be the issue

 

[Rusted nuts]

When I search it doesn’t come up with the player?

Outgoing also?

 

[Kangaman4lyf]

Div 3 the only division not showing player points - whispers circulating something happening behind the scenes with a team that played Good Friday

 

[Thing]

Div 3 the only division not showing player points - whispers circulating something happening behind the scenes with a team that played Good Friday

Only bar talk so take it for that, for now.
Late change for one team on good Friday because of points, checked after game, still too many.
Awaiting NFNL to announce Div 3 don't need to display points for 2026 season

 

[10571z]

Div 3 the only division not showing player points - whispers circulating something happening behind the scenes with a team that played Good Friday

What’s the whispers?

 

[localfootyfan30]

Team starting with M and ending with ustangs APPARENTLY played over the points cap on Good Friday.

 

[Rusted nuts]

Yep side selected was 49, late withdrawal of a (Lampi). 1 point player came in (MacLeish) team still at 47. That is the chatter going on. League getting the broom out for the mustangs again. I think they will find it next to the brown paper bags.

 

[10571z]

Yep side selected was 49, late withdrawal of a (Lampi). 1 point player came in (MacLeish) team still at 47. That is the chatter going on. League getting the broom out for the mustangs again. I think they will find it next to the brown paper bags.

Let’s hope the league put a statement and complete transparency is shown.

 

[Rusted nuts]

Let’s hope the league put a statement and complete transparency is shown.

We all know that wont happen.

 

[Denny Crane]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/localfooty/junior-footy-opinion-why-its-time-for-a-points-system-to-protect-more-clubs/news-story/d44800ac58ed8e5aede1c23170cabb25

Junior footy opinion: Why it’s time for a points system to protect more clubs​

The vulture culture of senior football has trickled down to the kids. Powerful clubs are poaching young talent to help build their own future success and it’s time more leagues put measures in place to protect the smaller sides. Here’s how.

Junior footy is in danger of mimicking one of the biggest bugbears of senior footy with powerful clubs poaching players at younger ages to prop up their future premiership ambitions.
Now is the time for proactive responses to prevent ongoing and deepening divisions.

Restricted somewhat by the points system at senior level and adept at finding ways around salary caps, substantial evidence is emerging powerhouse clubs are now recruiting younger and younger players, aiming to build super teams at underage level and looking to avoid a points squeeze in the future.

In response some leagues, including the Bendigo Junior and Western competitions, have already implemented their own player points systems for juniors and it’s time for other to follow suit.

Junior points systems assist in minimising player movement and help maintain the evenness of the respective leagues. A maximum of 10 points is allowed on one team and must be monitored by the clubs.

Under the WFNL’s system, which has three categories, any player who plays junior interleague or finishes top-five in the league best-and-fairest attracts four points.

It would be fair to assume that most four-point kids are the most likely to move up to a club in a higher grade or feature heavily on the watchlist of representative programs including Talent League clubs.

Stories consistently swirl of families being warned that their talented child must play elsewhere or risk missing representative selection because their home club is not playing at a high enough level.

At a time when teenagers are dropping out of sports in droves, should we not be focusing on their enjoyment of playing alongside friends rather than persuading them to move to more powerful clubs on the off-chance of future success?

Again, it’s worth remembering the clubs which are targeting the best junior players are not doing it with underage premierships in mind. They have a much longer goal to build strong senior sides.

Under AFL Victoria’s player points system for men’s senior competition, any player who has played 40 or more games over a minimum of three seasons at a club or an aligned side is worth one point.

The more one point players a senior club has, the more scope it has to recruit higher ranked imports, most notably ex-AFL footballers, to bolster their senior grades.

So the big clubs are recruiting the top 15-year-olds into their underage teams at no cost, safe in the knowledge that when they hit senior footy they will only be worth one point.

Implementing a points system at junior level, would make it much harder for such a vulture culture to thrive.

If local football competitions continue to open themselves to a growing gap between the best and less talented sides, we’re going to lose more kids in the long run.

The argument can be made that some clubs are better resourced than others. This will always be the case and, while we are not necessarily promoting a structure where all must be equal, we must be asking what we can do to incentivise those smaller clubs to grow and beat the best. It’s almost impossible if their best teenagers are continually lured away.

It must also be disheartening for the junior coaches, many of whom are volunteers, and their remaining players whenever they lose their top young gun to a nearby rival.

As always, there will be cases where exemptions are necessary. For example, if a family is forced to move across town due to a lifestyle change, consideration must be given to why this player has moved clubs and the option to waive a points penalty must exist.

Similarly, no points penalty should be imposed when players are sadly forced to leave their home clubs due to player shortages.

Worryingly, if we don’t introduce such a points system, that sad reality is likely to become more commonplace.

If we don’t make changes now, we run the risk of the strong getting stronger while the weak battle to survive.

 

[baggersforflaggers]

Someone complain about the bats?

 

[Itspetracca]

Someone complain about the bats?

I wonder if the promise of joining the Boomer squad in the hope of getting them to Nth H will now lesson with Yarrambats alignment with Hurstbridge???