Best 22 2017

[dlanod]

Where is our improvement coming from

The fact that most of our heavy lifters are still only 23 and have a couple of years before really hitting their prime?

 

[Orange Agent]

Where is our improvement coming from

One umpiring decision could see a 6 point improvement in a prelim. And even then natural progression and form. Patton continuing to improve, Lobb getting stronger in the ruck, Cameron getting back to top form, a full season from Smith. Hopper and Kennedy getting more games, whoever wants to grab the second KPD role with both hands and cement themselves.

 

[coniglio_number1]

Improvement will come from another preseason into the core group of players. Also the quality youth injection in terms of mcgrath(likely) and the likes of setterfield/perryman.

 

[Bokonon]

I was thinking we might not see the physical improvement next year we have for the last 2 years as the core group gets older. Can see it in Lobb, Hopper, Matt Kennedy and Himmelburg though. Get they are not past their prime. Hope I'm wrong and anyway the experience should help.
One of the best things from last year in my view was they didn't drop their heads when things got tough, even the Collingwood game when nothing worked.
Expecting we'll do better in away games.

 

[_GT_]

A big one is confidence and composure. As the group matures, and that includes coaching staff, their confidence in the game plans, each other will continue to improve. From confidence and continued exposure to the best teams, the composure we lack at times will come.

 

[kulak]

Where is our improvement coming from

We have a mix of senior players who will sustain and young players who will improve. However so do other good teams like Bulldogs and Swans.

Williams will hopefully take another step up to McLeod levels of brilliance and AA selection

Shiel, Kelly and Coniglio have more room for improvement

Patton and Lobb both completed effectively their first full season, they will be better

Someone will shock us with a Toby Greene-style breakout year. Like a Nick Haynes or someone you think is good but playing about as well as you think they might, who takes their game to another level

Key risk I see is that Mumford is injured.

 

[Raymann]

Lids will certainly improve our team

 

[ClockworkOrange]

Key risk I see is that Mumford is injured.

This remains our Achilles heel.

Notwithstanding Lobb's breakout 2016, in 2017 we could partially revisit the nightmare of the second half of 2015 if Mummy is injured.

Was hoping there may have been a way to address that in the 2016 trade window, but some risks are too big - in Mummy's case literally and figuratively - to fully manage.

 

[Giant Pete]

This remains our Achilles heel.

Notwithstanding Lobb's breakout 2016, in 2017 we could partially revisit the nightmare of the second half of 2015 if Mummy is injured.

Was hoping there may have been a way to address that in the 2016 trade window, but some risks are too big - in Mummy's case literally and figuratively - to fully manage.

We should have grabbed nankervis

 

[ClockworkOrange]

Probably hard to make complete, ruck-ing fools of the Swans twice...

 

[Bogan Juniors]

I still like Downie as a backup...we have developed him for ages and think we should give him a game here and there next year when the matchups are right to give Mummy a spell

 

[coniglio_number1]

We should have grabbed nankervis

We have Flynn

 

[dlanod]

We should have grabbed nankervis

I don't see Nankervis as substantially better than Simpson and/or Downie.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Reckon this is pretty spot on with our best 22 unless someone pops up this preseason and demands a spot like Lobb did last preseason

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl-se...t/news-story/49624f15aded1f98333bcd43271a21ba
Best 22:

B: Heath Shaw, Phil Davis, Nick Haynes

HB: Zac Williams, Adam Tomlinson, Nathan Wilson

C: Steven Coniglio, Dylan Shiel, Lachie Whitfield

HF: Devon Smith, Jeremy Cameron, Brett Deledio

F: Toby Greene, Jonathon Patton, Steve Johnson

R: Shane Mumford, Callan Ward, Tom Scully

IC: Rory Lobb, Jacob Hopper, Ryan Griffen, Josh Kelly

 

[coniglio_number1]

Reckon this is pretty spot on with our best 22 unless someone pops up this preseason and demands a spot like Lobb did last preseason

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl-se...t/news-story/49624f15aded1f98333bcd43271a21ba
Best 22:

B: Heath Shaw, Phil Davis, Nick Haynes

HB: Zac Williams, Adam Tomlinson, Nathan Wilson

C: Steven Coniglio, Dylan Shiel, Lachie Whitfield

HF: Devon Smith, Jeremy Cameron, Brett Deledio

F: Toby Greene, Jonathon Patton, Steve Johnson

R: Shane Mumford, Callan Ward, Tom Scully

IC: Rory Lobb, Jacob Hopper, Ryan Griffen, Josh Kelly

depth order as follows
KPD
Corr
Himmelberg
Mohr
Finlayson

Medium defender
A.Kennedy
Buntine

Ruck
Downie
Simpson
Flynn

Midfielder/Medium forward
M.Kennedy
Reid
Barrett
Lloyd

KPF
Nil


We need to draft sproule as we have zero KPF depth now

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

KPF
Nil

Don't forget that both Himmleberg and TOJ are tall forwards that have been swung back. While it's right to have them in the depth chart down there, they are actually more versatile than that. As is Flynn who is very much developing into a Rory Lobb clone and again could appear on the depth chart twice.

Having said that, yes, recruit a forward like Sproule or in recruiting a defender like McCreadie, you could release HH back to the front.

 

[coniglio_number1]

Don't forget that both Himmleberg and TOJ are tall forwards that have been swung back. While it's right to have them in the depth chart down there, they are actually more versatile than that. As is Flynn who is very much developing into a Rory Lobb clone and again could appear on the depth chart twice.

Having said that, yes, recruit a forward like Sproule or in recruiting a defender like McCreadie, you could release HH back to the front.

I thought Flynn was a mummy clone in his combative style of ruckwork.

Also yes HH and TOJ can swing forward when required but both have shown more in the back half than the front

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

I thought Flynn was a mummy clone in his combative style of ruckwork.

Also yes HH and TOJ can swing forward when required but both have shown more in the back half than the front

Yeah, but Flynn is built more like Lobb - and can actually fly for a mark (NEAFL mark of the year anyone?)

And while TOJ has been down back for a year longer, so is probably more entrenched there, it was only this time last year we were calling HH Sunshine Mk II (minus the pr0n star tash) and hailing him as the next big thing up forward after several really solid games there as a top-up. I think there's definite scope to at least try him out up there next year.

 

[coniglio_number1]

Yeah, but Flynn is built more like Lobb - and can actually fly for a mark (NEAFL mark of the year anyone?)

And while TOJ has been down back for a year longer, so is probably more entrenched there, it was only this time last year we were calling HH Sunshine Mk II (minus the pr0n star tash) and hailing him as the next big thing up forward after several really solid games there as a top-up. I think there's definite scope to at least try him out up there next year.

So with the following alterations to KPP depth we have

KPD
Corr
Himmelberg
Mohr
Finlayson

KPF
Himmelberg
Finlayson

 

[PK WCE]

Wilson, Davis, Haynes
Shaw, Tomlinson, Williams
Whitfield, Coniglio, Kelly
Deledio, Cameron, Greene
Johnson, Patton, Lobb
Mumford, Shiel, Ward
Scully, Griffen, Hopper, Kennedy

Best 22 in the league.

 

[Colonial]

Best 22 in the league.

Under the same cap as everyone else.

 

[peters17]

Wilson, Davis, Haynes
Shaw, Tomlinson, Williams
Whitfield, Coniglio, Kelly
Deledio, Cameron, Greene
Johnson, Patton, Lobb
Mumford, Shiel, Ward
Scully, Griffen, Hopper, Kennedy

Best 22 in the league.

Ahahahah you forgot Devon Smith (as well as pick 2 and some academy boys)

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Wilson, Davis, Haynes
Shaw, Tomlinson, Williams
Whitfield, Coniglio, Kelly
Deledio, Cameron, Greene
Johnson, Patton, Lobb
Mumford, Shiel, Ward
Scully, Griffen, Hopper, Kennedy

Best 22 in the league.

Which Kennedy? A would be ahead of M in most respects, but also because you would put a defender on the bench. But I'm curious as to which one you meant.

 

[Giant Strides]

Best 22:
B: Heath Shaw, Phil Davis, Nick Haynes
HB: Zac Williams, Adam Tomlinson, Nathan Wilson
C: Steven Coniglio, Dylan Shiel, Lachie Whitfield
HF: Devon Smith, Jeremy Cameron, Brett Deledio
F: Toby Greene, Jonathon Patton, Steve Johnson
R: Shane Mumford, Callan Ward, Tom Scully
IC: Rory Lobb, Jacob Hopper, Ryan Griffen, Josh Kelly

That's the team I'd nominate as best 22 right at the moment. Deledio comes in. At the expense IMHO of the seventh back, since he can be thrown into that role if needed, and so can guys like Griffen, Ward & Kelly.

We've cut our backup strength quite considerably, though, especially in the midfield. Any injuries and the new kids could be quickly exposed to action, depending on what the situation with Reid, Lloyd & Barrett is by the end of the trade & draft period.

 

[Bogan Juniors]

Dev Smith has to be in, maybe Kennedy or Hopper out but Geez its a good 22