Brad Scott has been a failure?

[Suma Magic]

What has been the craziest part of this has been there run with injuries.

Last two seasons it has been a dream run. I can't think if a game where they've had more out than their opponents.

Imagine how many wins they'd have from 2012 and 2013 if they'd had an average injury list

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

North lost because the gabba's field is slightly damp?

North lost primarily because Hansen went down in the first minutes and, with Thompson occupied with Brown and Grima with Merret & Leunberger, this allowed Brisbane scoring opportunities by just shanking the ball forward to Corey freakin McGrath. Brown had a goal given which was touched, then fell in to a blind shank on the boundary that he threaded. Merrett was given an absolutely woeful free kick goal on Grima. When Ziebell went down we definitely lost drive out of the clearances and Rich emerged. Swallow compounded this by also getting injured. Mullet injury and the resulting lack of rebound and run also hurt. Pretty much everything that could go right for Brisbane last night, went right. We were all over them when we had 22 fit blokes up and running. It was just one of those games. North shouldn't bother taking much out of it, and neither should Brisbane.

 

[Bollox]

North lost primarily because Hansen went down in the first minutes and, with Thompson occupied with Brown and Grima with Merret & Leunberger, this allowed Brisbane scoring opportunities by just shanking the ball forward to Corey freakin McGrath. Brown had a goal given which was touched, then fell in to a blind shank on the boundary that he threaded. Merrett was given an absolutely woeful free kick goal on Grima. When Ziebell went down we definitely lost drive out of the clearances and Rich emerged. Swallow compounded this by also getting injured. Mullet injury and the resulting lack of rebound and run also hurt. Pretty much everything that could go right for Brisbane last night, went right. We were all over them when we had 22 fit blokes up and running. It was just one of those games. North shouldn't bother taking much out of it, and neither should Brisbane.

Scroll back to late last year in the finals series...or just pick random games this season if you like.
This is an every game occurence for most, and in particular toward the end of a month long finals series after any gruelling HnA series.
Now bear in mind that to scrape into finals North must at least pocket every single game they SHOULD win if they are any good, especially without a debilitating run of injuries.
Every game for any club sitting where North is right now is actually a finals game right now...or should be. When there's no chance, only then can such excuses become valid.

I saw the game (albeit on tv) and Brisbane winning was all about Brisbane being better and playing better footy when it mattered....nothing to do with solar eclipses colliding with Halleys comet to create the perfect storm for North. They responded better under pressure, they were harder at the ball in the contests, held their structure down back and their run with players virtually shut down all run from Norths better midefielders.
Harveys last qtr was symptomatic. Pretty much went missing again with a game on the line.
Too many front runners easily shut down and a game plan that crumbles whenever anything goes slightly wrong or the blowtorch is applied.

There really are no excuses anymore. Its not a young developing list, all clubs nurse players and cop injuries during a game, and they dont even have an inexperienced coach...Scott has already had a long long time in footy terms to create a list that wants to win regardless of any situation.

Last qtr report card.
Acts of desperation seen from North... E
Midfielders trying to milk free kicks or pissed off at having their run at the ball blocked...A+
North players that beat their man in the last qtr ...F
Match day coaching... E

They were soft in that last qtr...that isnt an excuse, its a fact.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Last qtr report card.

Acts of desperation seen from North... E

Midfielders trying to milk free kicks or pissed off at having their run at the ball blocked...A+

North players that beat their man in the last qtr ...F

Match day coaching... E

They were soft in that last qtr...that isnt an excuse, its a fact.

5 injured blokes has a tendency to make things look this way. This type of myopic crap is the reason why you are widely considered to be a rubbish judge of football.

Go back to the midway point of the second quarter when we were obliterating brisbane and you will get a fair idea as to what would have occurred had our players not gone down like ten pins.

Brisbane would have easily ran over Sydney if they were carrying Jack, Kennedy, Shaw, Tippet and Richards.

Rich was almost invisible until Ziebell and Swallow got injured.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

They love us, or it seems that way. Everytime they see a thread title with North in it the flock there like a dog on heat. Has Lance been here yet?

hi there

 

[Jobe Watson]

Bit rich for supporters of the team with the healthiest list over the past 2 seasons to suddenly start complaining about a few minor injuries.

North lost because they aren't good enough. Mentally weak group who can't perform without a roof over their head.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Bit rich for supporters of the team with the healthiest list over the past 2 seasons to suddenly start complaining about a few minor injuries.

North lost because they aren't good enough. Mentally weak group who can't perform without a roof over their head.

What can we do to rectify this situation? Push the cutting edge of sports science?

 

[scarecrow2k1]

Every time Brad Scott whinges in a post match presser, hes taking the heat off the team and putting it on another issue. It makes excuses and lets them off the hook. It has to stop if theyre to be competitive

 

[lemon chicken]

Not exactly comparable. Average age of Knights' teams in his last year was the same as Scott's in his first year. Knights had to pare back before he could go anywhere. But it's all been said before...

Scott has had a failed year. Maturing team + few injuries + winning positions + no finals = failed season.

Don't think a coach should necessarily be condemned over one backwards step, but no doubt Scott needs to get North back on track next year.

Matchday coaching and game plan are on par and the results are almost identical. Thats where the comparison is and the contract extension just gives more weight to it.

Why is it Richmond supporters always talk up average age, stupid stat that skews horribly when you have a Fletcher or Harvey in your side.

 

[Bollox]

5 injured blokes has a tendency to make things look this way. This type of myopic crap is the reason why you are widely considered to be a rubbish judge of football.
Go back to the midway point of the second quarter when we were obliterating brisbane and you will get a fair idea as to what would have occurred had our players not gone down like ten pins.
Brisbane would have easily ran over Sydney if they were carrying Jack, Kennedy, Shaw, Tippet and Richards.
Rich was almost invisible until Ziebell and Swallow got injured.

So i'm the rubbish judge of footy ? That makes you some sort of netball fan then.
I'm not the one offering injury excuses either..or exaggerating it looking for sympathy.

North and their fans do like to whinge, like you did...dont expect to be taken seriously.

North have become one excuse after another whenever anything goes wrong.
North do not have a Plan B right now.
North look soft and have gone backwards from last season..showing a distinct lack of ticker in second halves when its on the line.
North (and their fans like you) are right now back to being a laughing stock...thats their own doing. They werent known as a soft club before...but clowns like you making excuses might be setting a new trend.


btw, I didnt see North "obliterate" Brisbane at any time. You must have been watching a different game. What did they get to ?..30 odd pts up before choking again ?
Sydney were 27 pts up in the GF and at no stage had we "obliterated" anyone...do you think anyone thinks Sydney "obliterated" hawthorn ?
Trying to shine a turd after that last qtr performance last night says everything.

 

[Bluelegs]

We are running out of ways to troll ourselves. So predictable this mob.
anywho heres to a 10 goal thumping of Carlton on Friday and everything is crystal once more.

the sooner we make the G our home ground the better

How do you plan on doing that?

 

[MaddAdam]

Bit rich for supporters of the team with the healthiest list over the past 2 seasons to suddenly start complaining about a few minor injuries.

North lost because they aren't good enough. Mentally weak group who can't perform without a roof over their head.

No argument there from me. Lack of onfield leadership a big issue. They should have made JZ captain, not nice boy Swallow.

That said, things aren't absolutely horrific. The talent is there no doubt. We've played some brilliant footy against the best sidesd this year. Just not enough.

The list is very healthy in regards to issues like how replace key players such as petrie (G'day Aaron Black) and we have excellent depth.

My own view is that this is one of those seasons you have to have as a young group and coach. You learn from it. It is how teams develop. There's bumps along the way.

There's no magic solution in a bottle to developing kids. Although one thing Essendon did that has been hugely beneficial for you is bringing an experienced gun like Goddard. We could do with someone like that onfield.

That said, we'll still finish above you with all the schadenfreude laced glee that gives me.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

Hobble the two best midfielders (captain and vice captain), second best KPF (Tarrant), best marking KPD (Hansen) and a rebounding flanker (Mullet) out of any side and they would have struggled tonight. I'm honestly not that fussed. When we had everyone fit and running we looked like we were going to win by 15 goals. We had a ton of bad luck in this match.

What's the excuses for the other losses when you've had large leads?? Injuries and luck are easy excuses after what was again a poor performance late. Brent Harvey had 2 posessions, in the last qtr, Wells went missing, Your defence crumbled under the weight of pressure. It's happened to often this year for you to just cast this off as injuries and bad luck.

You played a final last year, got flogged, and will most likely miss the finals this year. Your list has regressed and a lack of leadership at key times has again burnt you. You continue play one way, posession footy, and when the heat is put on you you fold and struggle to get the ball out of your defence. It's happened continuously this year.

Scott has done what he said he would do, and wanted to shed the club of the shinboner spirit tag, well he has done that for sure, and probalby the only thing he has achieved there

 

[Macca18]

North have become one excuse after another whenever anything goes wrong.

That's all that needed to be said.

Masters of choking away big leads, excuses & deflections.

They've had a charmed run with injury since the start of 2012... to start blaming injuries now is a cop out.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

No argument there from me. Lack of onfield leadership a big issue. They should have made JZ captain, not nice boy Swallow.

That said, things aren't absolutely horrific. The talent is there no doubt. We've played some brilliant footy against the best sidesd this year. Just not enough.

The list is very healthy in regards to issues like how replace key players such as petrie (G'day Aaron Black) and we have excellent depth.

My own view is that this is one of those season's you have to have as a young group and coach. You learn from it. It is how teams develop. There's bumps along the way.

There's no magic solution in a bottle to developing kids. Although one thing Essendon did that has been hugely beneficial for you is bringing an experienced gun like Goddard. We could do with someone like that onfield.

good, realistic, rational post.

At least not all Roos supporters have lost their heads.

Still concerned about your coach though, and the long term nature of his current contract.

 

[MaddAdam]

good, realistic, rational post.

At least not all Roos supporters have lost their heads.

Still concerned about your coach though, and the long term nature of his current contract.

I edited to add a snide dig at you guys.

Scott himself I'm not too concerned about. He does learn - the fact we now play defensive midfielders etc - from his mistakes and he's done something huge that he actually gets little respect for but is utterly vital ... he's built a genuine culture at North. Whether it is a premiership winning culture remains to be seen but our players, especially good young players who would certainly be getting offers elsewhere keep re-signing and they all talk about what is being built down there and how much they want to be a part of it.

Melbourne are desperately trying to work out how to do something along those lines and don't seem to have too much of a clue. As I said, it is still a work in progress (dropping so many games after having 6 goal+ leads being the key example) but the foundations are firmly built.

My concern is the coaching team as a whole and this is where the perennial issue of lack of resourcing comes in. As much as it would be nice to have a Brendan Goddard figure onfield as I mentioned before, I'd much prefer to have an older, experienced type in the box alongside Scott and for match planning etc. A Rodney Eade or Neil Balme type figure. Problem is we simply don't have the cash to pay for one.

It isn't an insurmountable difficulty and probably one I wouldn't be talking about if we'd got a few of those close early season wins and were in the 8 now.

But of all the things I'd want to address, it is that.

(Also, Luke McDonald will be taking Spud Firrito's spot next year, that's for sure. Get the kid in your DreamTeam now, he's going to rack ip touches across half back.)

 

[ziad]

list is the problem, Harvey is the leader of a bunch of long term one way runners.

Scott is an emotional fool but an ok coach

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

And they signed this guy until 2016? Sweet fancy moses!

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

What's the excuses for the other losses when you've had large leads??

Hansen, Tarrant, Ziebell, Mullet, Swallow and three absolutely woeful umpiring decisions that ended up in Brisbane goals.

 

[MaddAdam]

list is the problem, Harvey is the leader of a bunch of long term one way runners.

Scott is an emotional fool but an ok coach

There's certainly an issue there. Some blokes look great streaming through the middle of Etihad when we are winning (Bastinac and Macmillan spring to mind there) but go missing, especially away from home, when things start going the other way.

That is something that will hopefully change with maturity. At least in Ziebell and Cunnington we have two blokes who will go 110 per cent of the time, all the time, no matter where we are. And they are rapidly becoming very, very good footballers.

 

[se17enteen]

It's called defending, North should try it.

 

[MaddAdam]

What has been the craziest part of this has been there run with injuries.

Last two seasons it has been a dream run. I can't think if a game where they've had more out than their opponents.

Imagine how many wins they'd have from 2012 and 2013 if they'd had an average injury list

It isn't a "run" or luck etc. It is the result of having a coach with a sports science degree who places huge value on conditioning and who, as a prerequisite of signing, ensured the club brought in, on hugfe dollars too, probably the best conditioning and injury management bloke in the game.

(For the record we beat Essendon last year two men down for most of the game)

 

[fddf]

May have to beg the AFL for $$$ to sack the coach and bring in a replacement with more than half a brain like Melbourne did

 

[MaddAdam]

May have to beg the AFL for $$$ to sack the coach and bring in a replacement with more than half a brain like Melbourne did

Ummm, didn't you employ the "half brained coach" that Melbourne sacked?

 

[Zephyr Effekt]

IMO, North's game-plan is a double edged sword of sorts.