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Pies have been my tip since about round 6 and haven’t seen enough to change from that.
However, despite Pies fans banging on about top spot being locked away, training loads etc. There are some genuine concerns and you can’t just put it all down to the club not caring. Premiership contenders want to be playing their best footy heading into September. Just last year we saw the previous hot favourite Dees hobble into September and end up bundled out in straight sets.
Pies staple for two years has been the strength of their backline which continually has held up under some serious heat. It hasn’t been great for the last 6 weeks.
Combine that with bringing back Daicos and Moore off extended breaks and it’s hardly ideal. We’ve seen in finals before underdone players seriously struggle. I’m not saying they’ll end up doing so but it’s definitely something to watch.
Think it’s ridiculous to say the Pies are simply sitting back without a concern in the world. Are we forgetting how problematic Darcy Moore’s hamstrings have proven previously?
The MCG factor, finals experience etc and the lack of other real standout threats works in their favour and is why I’m still tipping them.
Blues on the other hand have been playing some good footy obviously. Last few weeks a bit eh but it’s hard to be at your best every week.
Finishing 5th generally isn’t ideal for a flag tilt though. Blues should be kicking themselves for whatever that was they dished up earlier in the season. Would be looking at a top 4 spot.
Expect a win over the Swans but anything more is asking a lot in my opinion. Typically finals experience does count for something. Carlton has none of it.
However, despite Pies fans banging on about top spot being locked away, training loads etc. There are some genuine concerns and you can’t just put it all down to the club not caring. Premiership contenders want to be playing their best footy heading into September. Just last year we saw the previous hot favourite Dees hobble into September and end up bundled out in straight sets.
Pies staple for two years has been the strength of their backline which continually has held up under some serious heat. It hasn’t been great for the last 6 weeks.
Combine that with bringing back Daicos and Moore off extended breaks and it’s hardly ideal. We’ve seen in finals before underdone players seriously struggle. I’m not saying they’ll end up doing so but it’s definitely something to watch.
Think it’s ridiculous to say the Pies are simply sitting back without a concern in the world. Are we forgetting how problematic Darcy Moore’s hamstrings have proven previously?
The MCG factor, finals experience etc and the lack of other real standout threats works in their favour and is why I’m still tipping them.
Blues on the other hand have been playing some good footy obviously. Last few weeks a bit eh but it’s hard to be at your best every week.
Finishing 5th generally isn’t ideal for a flag tilt though. Blues should be kicking themselves for whatever that was they dished up earlier in the season. Would be looking at a top 4 spot.
Expect a win over the Swans but anything more is asking a lot in my opinion. Typically finals experience does count for something. Carlton has none of it.
All very reasonable and balanced.
I don't think anyone has suggested the Pies have been 'sitting back without a worry in the world), except maybe in jest.
Moore and Daicos are the last two players we could afford to lose, and certainly will be a challenge unless they return and play their best football.
But the point Pies supporters have been making is that the early wins that were banked meant the top 4 spot and therefore double chance was locked away early, which allowed us to be overly cautious when it comes to team selection and therefore interrupts continuity, etc. (In the same way we saw for Carlton on the weekend).
It is also difficult to maintain the extreme level of intensity upon which the Pies game plan is based, so their recent performances have been excused to a degree.
Does it mean they will be able to automatically switch it back on in two weeks for the finals series? Not necessarily. But I for one am optimistic they can do so based on what we've seen from them for the better part of two years whilst McRae, Bolton and Leppitsch have been at the helm.
Your point about Carlton blowing a top 4 spot in the first half of the season is spot on. They would absolutely be as good a chance as anyone if they had Melbourne's position in 4th and maintained the level of performance they had shown for the two months through to the Melbourne win.
But (fortunately) they're a position lower, which means an infinitely less likely possibility of doing the damage they are hopeful of in September.
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This is my biggest concern - I have always felt that to have any significant impact in finals you need to have some finals experience throughout the team. I'm hoping all the close games and high pressure moments we've been in at the end of 2022 and last 10 weeks of 2023 against good sides is a pretty good replication of finals but guess we won't know until next Friday night.
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Our cheque book is bigger hence the ladder positionsHmm another Pies fan writing out a cheque that you can't cash.
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We can't compete with the Collingwood cheque book - they are willing to lose $1M on a game of footy, whilst here we are just trying to feed the kidsOur cheque book is bigger hence the ladder positions
Don't forget that we also pay players hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to play for opposition teams...We can't compete with the Collingwood cheque book - they are willing to lose $1M on a game of footy, whilst here we are just trying to feed the kids
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Bloody hell forgot about that - leave some for the rest of us Mr Guy!!!
I’m staying neutral and enjoying the show!
With 10,000+ posts means this thread will be rolled over into part 2 after one of you win the GF so then you can lay into eachothers drafting
If we win first final and pies lose their first final this thread will go into complete overdrive
Dees won a couple of finals in 2018 having been out of finals 12 years and would of had comparable amount of players with finals experience, so it wouldn’t be unprecedented.
Bigger concern for me is maintaining the rage after winning 9 on the trot, which would be comparable to Sydney’s issue in 2017, making finals after being 0-6.
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Wobblers only have one gear - if it’s broke, which it has been aside from one qtr against the lowly bombers, nothing else to go to.Hmm another Pies fan writing out a cheque that you can't cash.
Melbourne has the best defence and rebound game.
The Wobblers will lose.
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Infinitely is a bit strong.
I’d replace it with somewhat … less likely.
Looking at our H&A effort, I’d say we needed the 6weeks we happened to lose, to arrive at 5th. Growing, learning believing & all that.
If pies can reach their heights of July Premiers - they should take it out.
But they haven’t been that for over a month.
I think the Dees have the favourites mantle for now.
The prophesy stands - Carlton v Wobblers in a few weeks - time will stand still.
Given only one team has ever won the flag from outside the top 4 in the 23 iterations of this finals series structure, I'll stick with 'infinitely', whilst you can have your 'somewhat less likely'...
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How much finals experience did the Collingwood '02 side have? They almost knocked over one of the best sides of the modern era. Finals "experience" is overrated. Melbourne had plenty last year, what did that amount to?
There have been EFs that turned out to be absolute fizzers (ie significantly less pressure than a lot of H&A games), it's not so much finals experience as it is how the team performs in games with a lot of pressure.
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Hey Fadgey is this how we get finals tickets.
Asking for a friend.
Asking for a friend.
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I’m glad you think what he did was and is acceptable.
It was careless that's all, a big big over reaction from you.
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