Carlton's list

[Simon Wiggins]

Lol yeah don't know what game you were watching.

But Yarran was shit like the last month.

Spelling his name right is a step in the right direction, you still don't seem to know much about him though

 

[James44]

English please

Sorry - on the nose.

Persona non grata.

 

[kanye_best]

Lol yeah don't know what game you were watching.

But Yarran was shit like the last month.

Ok so you haven't watched Carlton obviously and you must have been distracted watching tonight's game.
thanks for trying to engage in football chat, better luck next time.

 

[Mick98]

Spelling his name right is a step in the right direction, you still don't seem to know much about him though

Wow spelling all you got loser?

 

[etsal1]

Sorry - on the nose.

Persona non grata.

Oh yes. Another person with the inside word. I'm shocked.

 

[Simon Wiggins]

Wow spelling all you got loser?

Well since you said 'Yarren', I thought you might've meant someone other than Yarran - since he was one of Carlton's best.

Because really, there was 22 Carlton players out there & plenty of them were terrible. You're failing at trolling, which is just really pathetic.

 

[James44]

Oh yes. Another person with the inside word. I'm shocked.

Have grown up with the Henderson & Curnow's at GC.

You may deny it, but there are a number of factions and fractures in your list. One senior player, who has been dropped a few times, isn't very bright, he and his partner have been telling the world about this unrest.

 

[etsal1]

Have grown up with the Henderson & Curnow's at GC.

You may deny it, but there are a number of factions and fractures in your list. One senior player, who has been dropped a few times, isn't very bright, he and his partner have been telling the world about this unrest.

You're not telling me anything I don't know about that player who has been dropped. I've heard it from the horses mouth.

And you probably read it when I posted it on our board. But good try. And I couldn't give a crap what that player and his hungover wife has to say.

 

[Monkey King]

Lol yeah don't know what game you were watching.

But Yarran was shit like the last month.

You're only trolling your own understanding of football here. Makes you look a bit silly tbh.

Meanwhile, while so many are prepared to jump in and say how shit Carlton's list is, the team has done a reasonable job against far more highly rated opposition recently. Don't think we're 5 years behind some of these teams like many would have us believe.

 

[James44]

Don't think we're 5 years behind some of these teams like many would have us believe.

It's just your 'list' that is the issue.

The culture and mentality of your playing group is shot.

Have a look at a player like Walker. Quality player when on, even in your leadership group.

He looks a shadow of himself currently.

 

[etsal1]

It's just your 'list' that is the issue.

The culture and mentality of your playing group is shot.

Have a look at a player like Walker. Quality player when on, even in your leadership group.

He looks a shadow of himself currently.

Probably has something to do with him having his knee drained weekly. Thought you would've known that with your inside word & all?

 

[Monkey King]

It's just your 'list' that is the issue.

The culture and mentality of your playing group is shot.

And yet we've been ball deep in a number of games against reasonable sides. I don't disagree the list and the team has issues, but I do think it's overblown by some. And we have some players out of form for various reasons, whose return to form would make our list look a lot better.

 

[Gone Critical]

Need some young blood into their coaching staff. Mick, Wiley and Laidley heading it up just looks to lack innovation and cutting edge game plans.

Carlton play like a team short on ideas.

 

[Shoota Welsh]

You're not telling me anything I don't know about that player who has been dropped. I've heard it from the horses mouth.

And you probably read it when I posted it on our board. But good try. And I couldn't give a crap what that player and his hungover wife has to say.

excuse me but who is this player exactly

 

[Slax]

Don't really think that it is totally the fault of the list. Mick's game plan is pretty well known and hasn't really changed much, this means that opposition clubs can predict what to expect from them and plan accordingly. There is no real X factor at Carlton to any great degree, Yarran can provide some spark but he isn't the same sort of impact player that Betts was, Waite is once again injured (took a knock in the VFL game against Geelong) so that takes him out as well.

Carlton need a complete rebuild and a complete rethink of where they are going. I don't believe that Mick was the right man when they appointed him and there is nothing to make me change my mind. Calrton's loss in sacking Ratten was definitely Hawthorn's gain.

 

[Gus Poyet]

Carlton need a complete rebuild and a complete rethink of where they are going. I don't believe that Mick was the right man when they appointed him and there is nothing to make me change my mind. Calrton's loss in sacking Ratten was definitely Hawthorn's gain.

Ratten was one of the boys, a club sycophant. Best thing we ever did was get MM in to break that mentality and have someone with the balls to cut the dead wood that had been kept on the roster way too long.

 

[master bate]

Ratten was one of the boys, a club sycophant. Best thing we ever did was get MM in to break that mentality and have someone with the balls to cut the dead wood that had been kept on the roster way too long.

Sounds good but when's it going to happen? Besides cutting Bootsma?

And delisting 10 players but replacing them with only 1 pick per round in the draft and rookie picks doesn't achieve much. At some stage surely you have to do a real cut and give up a player in order to get something in return.

Mick's rebuild at Collingwood came from a strong base (team that had made 2 grand finals) and involved a priority pick when they got Pendles and Daisy then trading Tarrant to get 2 first round picks to get Brown and Reid.

How's he going to replicate that at Carlton?

 

[La Vache]

Ordinary forward line and half the side are butchers.

Robinson, McLean, Carrazzo, Warnock, Armfield, Casboult, Everitt, Curnow and White cannot be relied on to deliver the ball properly. Then you have Judd and Thomas who are struggling a little bit at the moment in that regard and Tuohy's confidence looks shot to pieces.

Last night they had periods where they were well on top but slaughtered the Sherrin over and over.

The list is just lacking skill. Yarran and Menzel are younger guys who can use the footy so it's a start.

 

[Gus Poyet]

Sounds good but when's it going to happen? Besides cutting Bootsma?

Already started. Got rid of that dud Hampson 3 years too late. To think we kept that spud over Jacobs.

Also moved on serial list cloggers Aaron Joseph and Marcus Davies who like Hampson should have been gone seasons before.

It's no surprise a player like Gibbs is now producing his best football under MM. It was under Ratten's watch the down hill skier mentality well and truly engrained itself in the mindset of this squad and its senior players. Kade Simpson excluded.

 

[dubber]

Comparisons of side that played last night. Think the Blues need to start playing guys like Graham, Bell & Cripps when fit.

 

[Zeke]

Re-sign everyone on long term deals.

 

[Old Dark Blues]

Ratten was one of the boys, a club sycophant. Best thing we ever did was get MM in to break that mentality and have someone with the balls to cut the dead wood that had been kept on the roster way too long.

That - is absolute CRAP as evidenced by the fact he was ALWAYS on notice, and then simply sacked.

Blues had not made the finals in 7 years, Pagan was SACKED when he lost 5 games in a row - Ratten took one season and then had us there - EVERY YEAR until the year he was sacked when we had, what is STILL an AFL record of 17 of our best 22 injured.

Ratten got the absolute best out of players - and we had one of the worst lists immaginable - yet he delivered in spades - every player absolutely worked three times as hard - and almost none of them have returned to the form shown under Ratten except Gibbs.

Ratten was poached and now coaches arguable the best midfield in the Competition - Hawthorn - hardly "one of the boys".

Mick Malthouse has not made the 8 since coming on board of his own merit. Has taken the team from what was MEANT to be a push to top 4 to bottom four, and potentially a spoon.

Mick Malthouse just LOST 5 GAMES IN A ROW - something that Pagan was sacked for.

NONE of the players are anywhere NEAR the level of contribution they were under Ratten and they are at their prime. Not a single young player has come on except Buckley who was groomed years ago. Meanwhile players like Menzel are vocalising their displeasure at the club, and most significantly the game plan.


SO Ratten - a consistent finals coach at Carlton, has coached midfiled in two Grand finals and now Premiership, had the players performing at absolute peak, with a far worse list.

Mick, no finals, from top to bottom four, maybe last, no game plan, has lost the players.

You are absolutely kidding yourself. You have drunk the kool aid over at the Carlton board - which has FINALLY woken up to the reality that Mick has failed - well most of them, you'll come around.

 

[Slax]

Ratten was one of the boys, a club sycophant. Best thing we ever did was get MM in to break that mentality and have someone with the balls to cut the dead wood that had been kept on the roster way too long.

The theory behind it was great, only problem is MM wasn't the right bloke. He was appointed to lead the club to the top, by being able to top up the list not to rebuild it from scratch. Carlton appoint the wrong bloke by giving too much power to the pokies king.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Its a very poor list.

You cant do much overnight (should have started two years ago but the Malthouse "coup" put paid to any serious list changes).

I'd definitely be getting rid of McLean and Waite and seriously consider moving Garlett and Robinson out as well, along with Armfield and Lucas, and maybe Carazzo.. The list is so poor that all the kids need to be retained, regardless of whether they are any good.

Would not be getting rid of Kreuzer or Warnock. They can be moved on at the end of 2015 if needs be. The rebuild will not be an easy one and will happen in stages.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

The theory behind it was great, only problem is MM wasn't the right bloke. He was appointed to lead the club to the top, by being able to top up the list not to rebuild it from scratch. Carlton appoint the wrong bloke by giving too much power to the pokies king.

Malthouse went back into coaching for the wrong reasons.